Be sure to read the Rules/guidelines before you post!
http://blogs.denverpost.com/coldcases/2 ... hop/622/2/
And I'm genuinely amazed it's legal to spout such gutter-fantasy-lies because they are corrupting the youth with these stories. There is a law against it in Germany, but so far I've only seen it put to use against people who expose lying dirtbags such as this Weinberger woman - i.e, they use such laws against Holocaust Revisionists and publishers of Holocaust Revisionist literature. This Weinberger scumbag claims to have buried her sister in Auschwitz (alive - to keep her hidden) with only a small pipe in her mouth which they gave food, drinks and medicine through: all this for some thirty days without nobody even noticing that she was gone? How likely would that have been in a friggin' "death factory"?? What's more, I'm wondering whether they hooked the pipe to the nose, and if that is the true reason why she now has a hooknose?
I'm angry that these Weinbergers can live their lives and tell these stupid lies without any repercussions. Too bad they're dying away at quick rate, because the courts should hound them until they stop spreading their lies.
Sure, her story isn't hateful like Wiesel's or some other 'holocaust survivors', it's just so damn imbecilic -- still, I get damn angry when I read these lies.
You remember for sure what happened to chief David Abenakew who had the gut to tell Moshe "I have been gassed 6 times"Peer: "Mister..you are a liar"?
Chief David Ahenakew was a Korean a veteran.
He was elected as the head of the Federation of Saskatchewan Indian Nations.
During a speech he said he didn't believe in the holocaust, and subsequently charged with a 'Hate Crime'.
Where Is The Sanity?
A 15 yr Canadian army veteran, who served in Korea, Egypt, and elsewhere was tried, convicted, and fined $1000. He was threatened with jail if he wouldn't apologise.
But a Jew, that claimed he was gassed 6 times, becomes a famous Canadian holocaust speaker.
http://frommypentomyblog.blogspot.com.a ... -hoax.html
Jerzy Ulicki-Rek wrote:Haldan
You remember for sure what happened to chief David Abenakew who had the gut to tell Moshe "I have been gassed 6 times"Peer: "Mister..you are a liar"?
Can you provide quote for this alleged statement? He didn´t say anything like that as far as I know and nor your link speaks of it.
Jerzy Ulicki-Rek wrote:During a speech he said he didn't believe in the holocaust, and subsequently charged with a 'Hate Crime'.
Can you provide quote for this alleged statement?
Here are the quotes of his speech from various sources which caused his troubles, feel free to google the passages to check them:
"The Germans used to tell me, and I got to know them well because I played soccer against them and with them and so forth. But they used to tell me that you guys are blessed. What we know about the Indians in Canada. They are blessed. But that blessing is being destroyed by your immigrants that are going over there. Especially the Jews, they said. The Second World War was started by the Jews and the Third World War, whatever it is, is between Israel and the Arab countries. I was there as well. But there's going to be a war because the Israelis and the “Bushies” – you know, the bully, the bigot in the United States – tells you that if you're not with me you're against me."
"The Jews damn near owned all of Germany prior to the war. That's why Hitler came in. He was going to make damn sure that the Jews didn't take over Germany, or even Europe. That's why he fried six million of those guys, you know. Jews would have owned the goddamned world. And look what they're doing now, they're killing people in Arab countries."
"How else do you get rid of a disease like that, that's going to take over, that's going to dominate?"
Original article, relevant parts:
Saturday, December 14, 2002
A respected Saskatchewan Indian leader said Friday Hitler did the right thing when he
"fried" six million Jews during the Second World War.
In comments one local Jewish leader described as unfortunate, David Ahenakew, a
senator with the Federation of Saskatchewan Indian Nations (FSIN), a former chief of
the organization and a former chief of the Assembly of First Nations (AFN), said in an
interview Friday the Nazi leader was trying to clean up the world during the war.
"The Jews damn near owned all of Germany prior to the war," Ahenakew said.
"That's how Hitler came in. He was going to make damn sure that the Jews didn't take
over Germany or Europe. That's why he fried six million of those guys, you know. Jews
would have owned the goddamned world. And look what they're doing. They're killing
people in Arab countries."
The 68-year-old Ahenakew made his remarks after giving a 45-minute, profanity-laced address to
between 150 and 200 delegates attending an FSIN conference on a new Health Canada policy
requiring Indians to sign a consent form before receiving certain health services.
During his wide-ranging speech, in which he complained about bigotry in Canadian society, accused
the media of creating racial conflict and continually referred to non-Indian Canadians as "immigrants,"
Ahenakew said he lived in Germany during the late 1950s when he was with the Canadian army.
He said Germans told him the Jews started the Second World War. He said Israel and the United
States are about to start a third world war, a reference to the current troubles in the Middle East.
Approached afterwards to clarify his comments on Jews and the Second World War, Ahenakew said
he agreed with his German friends. When asked how he could justify the Holocaust, Ahenakew said:
"How do you get rid of a disease like that, that's going to take over, that's going to dominate?"
Ahenakew said when he served in Egypt in 1964. he saw Jews kill people. When asked for details, he
said mines planted by the Israeli army killed civilians.
"All I know is what the Germans told me. Of course, I believe them. I saw the Jews kill people in Egypt
when I was there. The Palestinians, Arabs. I saw them (Israel) f---ing dominate everything."
Ahenakew said the Canadian army was trying to liberate the world when it fought in Europe during
the Second World War, not liberate Jews. When reminded the Nazis committed genocide against a
variety of ethnic and social groups, he said "exactly, they were trying to clean up the world."
"I don't support Hitler. But he cleaned up a hell of a lot of things, didn't he? You would be owned by
the Jews right now the world over. Look, a small, little country (Israel) like that and everyone
supports them. Who the hell owns many of the banks in the states, many of the corporations? Look at
here in Canada. Izzy Asper (chair of CanWest Global, the owner of The StarPhoenix). He controls the
media. What the hell does that tell you? That's power. That's f---ing power."
Ahenakew, who was FSIN chief from 1968-78 and AFN chief from 1982-85, grew impatient when told
non-Jews own media companies, as well.
"The hell with the Jews. I can't stand them. And that's it. I don't want to talk about them."
http://www.ftlcomm.com/ensign/ensign2/p ... enakew.pdf
Leaving aside other relevant remarks, how his quote "That's why he fried six million of those guys" is compatible with "he said he didn't believe in the holocaust"? This claim was obviously invented by the "scholar" who prepared the link you have provided and he in fact believed in the holocaust as shown by the quotes above and he never said anything like that.
'We don't need evidence, we have survivors' - israeli politician
It was several year ago when I was writing about this and will have to dig in to my small holo-cellection to find out more.In the mean while few links to make sure if Chief Abenakew "in fact believed in the holocaust "as you stated
http://www2.canada.com/ottawacitizen/ne ... 6b6e8df140
http://ezralevant.com/2008/11/david-ahe ... brity.html
David Ahenakew Bull crap
Jerzy Ulicki-Rek wrote:It was several year ago when I was writing about this and will have to dig in to my small holo-cellection to find out more.
I would like to see quotes to back up these claims:
"You remember for sure what happened to chief David Abenakew who had the gut to tell Moshe "I have been gassed 6 times"Peer: "Mister..you are a liar"?"
"During a speech he said he didn't believe in the holocaust, and subsequently charged with a 'Hate Crime'."
Needless to say that according to his quotes he had troubles for not "not believing in the holocaust" but because of justifying the holocaust, these are two different things, he believed in this alleged event and he justified it as a cleaning, to get rid of a disease.
Jerzy Ulicki-Rek wrote:In the mean while few links to make sure if Chief Abenakew "in fact believed in the holocaust "as you stated
These quotes make it clear, here again:
"That's why he [Hitler] fried six million of those guys, you know."
When asked how he could justify the Holocaust, Ahenakew said: "How do you get rid of a disease like that, that's going to take over, that's going to dominate?"
Former inmate, Moshe Peer, recalled a miraculous escape from death as an eleven-year-old in the camp. In a 1993 interview with a Canadian newspaper, the French-born Peer claimed that he
"was sent to the camp gas chamber at least six times...maybe children resist better, I don't know."
- Gazette, Montreal, Canada, August 5, 1993
1. This guy has posted here, see http://forum.codoh.com/search.php?keywords=Muehlenkamp.
Hannover wrote:source for Moshe Peer:
Former inmate, Moshe Peer, recalled a miraculous escape from death as an eleven-year-old in the camp. In a 1993 interview with a Canadian newspaper, the French-born Peer claimed that he"was sent to the camp gas chamber at least six times...maybe children resist better, I don't know."
- Gazette, Montreal, Canada, August 5, 1993
"On very cold days car or tank engine exhaust gases look like steam (we've all seen it) if your engine block is cracked or the gasket seal has perished due to engine overheating this will allowing an percentage of water to escape into the engine block, water exited in exhaust gases could be described incorrectly and innocently as steam.
Treblinka had 10 gas chaamber and 850000 innocents died there, I am not a Jew.That HONOUR is not mine
World War II in Color- Inside Treblinka
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gfNvVSQX ... mail_reply
Please watch this:
Ovadia Baruch was born in Salonika in 1922 to a family of eight children. They lived in the Jewish neighborhood of Baron Hirsch, and he and his sisters studied at a Hebrew school.
In June 1942 Hitler's racial laws were applied to the Greek Jews and their neighborhood became a ghetto.
On 15 March 1943, the ghetto residents were ordered to buy one-way train tickets to an unknown destination, and the following morning they were loaded onto cattle cars, 100 per compartment, without food, water, or amenities.
Seven days later they arrived at their destination. The doors were flung open, and search lights were thrust into their faces. SS soldiers awaited the passengers shouting, whipping them, and throwing them onto the platform. In the confusion, Ovadia lost his family members and never saw them again. Initially — due to the language barrier and the uniforms worn by the inmates - the Salonika Jews thought they had been taken to a mental asylum, not Auschwitz.
Following their arrival, Ovadia was among a group of young Greek men who passed Mengale's selection and were taken to Auschwitz I. They were immediately sent to work, but not knowing German, they had difficulty understanding instructions and were constantly beaten.
Due to the hard labor, harsh conditions, and constant torture, only five of the group survived, and it was decided that they should be murdered.
However a young, German-speaking Greek prisoner, Ya'akov Maestro, saved them, insisting that their professional skills could be utilized. The lie was quickly exposed and Ovadia was beaten.
During one of his most terrible beatings — having been caught stealing food — Ovadia screamed out in his mother-tongue - Ladino: "Ho, Madre," (Oh, Mother). A young prisoner from Salonika, Aliza Tzarfati, heard his screams and recognized the language. Ovadia fell in love with the beautiful young woman and for the next three months they exchanged notes. In his final note Ovadia wrote: "If by chance we are released, we will marry."
In January 1945 Ovadia was sent on a death march to Germany via Dachau, Mauthausen, Gusen I, Gusen II, and Melk, and [b]on 5 May 1945 he was liberated by two American soldiers who brought him to a hospital. [/b]
On his recovery, Ovadia was taken to Mauthausen and placed with other Greek former prisoners, and in the summer of 1945 he returned to Greece.
Ovadia's family's house in Salonika had been bombed, so he set up temporary home in the synagogue with other survivors. As other Jews began to return to the city, lists of survivors were compiled and posted, and he was overjoyed to locate Aliza's name.
Ovadia wished to marry Aliza immediately, but she was unsure, as in Auschwitz she had been subjected to medical experiments, which had left her sterile.
However Ovadia was not dissuaded, and he agreed to Aliza's condition that they immigrate to Israel. Soon after, they married and immigrated illegally to Palestine in a fishing boat.
They settled in Hod Hasharon and after some time — to their surprise — Aliza conceived. The Jewish doctor who had operated on her in Auschwitz had mercifully left her with one ovary — an act that had cost him his life .
Aliza gave birth to a boy, and after some time, a girl.
Aliza died in 1994. Ovadia has five grandchildren and two great-grandchildren.
Holocaust Survivor Testimony: Ovadia Baruch
(0,35 Please note what he says here about his first meeting with his future wife--Jerzy )
The Return to Life - "May Your Memory Be Love"
"May Your Memory Be Love" - The Story of Ovadia Baruch
In March 1943, twenty-year-old Ovadia Baruch was deported together with his family from Greece to Auschwitz-Birkenau. Upon arrival, his extended family was sent to the gas chambers. Ovadia struggled to survive until his liberation from the Mauthausen concentration camp in May 1945.
While in Auschwitz, Ovadia met Aliza Tzarfati, a young Jewish woman from his hometown, and the two developed a loving relationship despite inhuman conditions.
This film depicts their remarkable, touching story of love and survival in Auschwitz, a miraculous meeting after the Holocaust and the home they built together in Israel.
(Where are the apples?---Jerzy)
This film is part of the "Witnesses and Education" project, a joint production of the International School for Holocaust Studies and the Multimedia Center of the Hebrew University of Jerusalem. In this series, survivors recount their life stores - before, during and after the Holocaust. Each title is filmed on location, where the events originally transpired.
With the generous support of the Adelson Family Charitable Foundation.
Israel 2008, 47 minutes, DVD (unrestricted region)
Hebrew with English subtitles.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=en ... Acb8H-amfE
(3,05- I met her at factory where we were both working...-Jerzy )
Ovadia Baruch - Arrival at Auschwitz
Ovadia Baruch - At the Jewish Museum and Synagogue in Salonika
'Here in Saloniki we had 49 synagogues ..."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=en ... 8nY2U&NR=1
"The Nazis soon forced the Jews into a ghetto near the railroads and on 15 March 1943 began the deportation process of the city's 56,000 Jews to its concentration camps. They deported over 43,000 of the city's Jews in concentration camps, where most were killed in the gas chambers. The Germans also deported 11,000 Jews to forced labor camps, where most perished. Only 1,200 Jews live in the city today."
49 synagogues for 56 000 jews.
http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/dr-mengele-s-victim-why-one-auschwitz-survivor-avoided-doctors-for-65-years-a-666327.htmlDr. Mengele's Victim: Why One Auschwitz Survivor Avoided Doctors for 65 Years
Sixty-five years ago, infamous Auschwitz doctor Josef Mengele removed Yitzhak Ganon's kidney without anesthesia. The Greek-born Jew swore never to see a doctor again -- until a heart attack last month brought his horrific tale into the open.
Yitzhak Ganon was taken to the Auschwitz-Birkenau hospital, where Josef Mengele, the so-called "Angel of Death," conducted grisly experiments on Jewish prisoners.
Ganon had to lie down on a table and was tied down. Without any anesthetics, Mengele cut him open and removed his kidney. "I saw the kidney pulsing in his hand and cried like a crazy man," Ganon says. "I screamed the 'Shema Yisrael.' I begged for death, to stop the suffering."
After the "operation," he had to work in the Auschwitz sewing room without painkillers. Among other things, he had to clean bloody medical instruments. Once, he had to spend the whole night in a bath of ice-cold water because Mengele wanted to "test" his lung function. Altogether, Ganon spent six and a half months in the concentration camp's hospital.
When they had no more use for him, the Nazis sent him to the gas chamber. He survived only by chance: The gas chamber held only 200 people. Ganon was number 201.
-- Herbert Spencer
https://archive.is/RyEN6 or http://www.holocaustresearchproject.org ... nburg.html
Homosexuals at Flossenbürg
The SS considered it great sport to taunt and torture the homosexuals. The camp commander at Flossenbürg often ordered them flogged; as the victims were screaming, he was panting with excitement, and masturbated wildly in his trousers until he came,' unperturbed by the hundreds of onlookers.
A sixty-year-old homosexual priest was beaten over his sexual organs by the SS and suffered severe hemorrhaging, he died the next day. Eyewitnesses tell of homosexuals being tortured to death by tickling, by having their testicles immersed alternately into hot and icy water, by having a broomstick pushed into their anus.
Heinz Heger wrote:
"We homosexuals were assembled into work detachments ... to work in the granite quarry.... The work of quarrying, dynamiting, hewing and dressing was extremely arduous, and only Jews and homosexuals were assigned to it.... Just like the prison camp itself, the granite quarry was completely surrounded by barbed wire, and guarded outside and inside by SS sentries.
No prisoner was permitted to get closer than five meters to the wire. Anyone who did so was shot by the S.S. guards without warning, since this transgression was already considered as attempted escape. For shooting a prisoner who "attempted escape," an S.S. man received three days' special leave...
One way of tormenting Jews and homosexuals that the S.S. in the quarry were very fond of was to drive crazy prisoners who were already physically at the end of their tether. A man who had not done anything in particular would have a metal bucket placed over his head. Two men held him down, while the S.S. men and Capos banged on the bucket with their sticks.
The terrible noise amplified through the bucket soon brought the victim to such a pitch of terror that he completely lost his mind and his sense of balance was destroyed. Then the bucket was suddenly removed and he was pushed towards the wire fence. He could seldom right himself in time. And if he staggered inside the 5 meter zone, he was fired on in the usual way. "Games" such as these were a favorite pastime for some of the S.S. guards."
-- Herbert Spencer
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/auschwitz-survivor-gena-turgel-walked-out-gas-chamber-alive-n293496Auschwitz Survivor Gena Turgel Walked Out of Gas Chamber Alive
Jan. 26, 2015, 7:26 AM EST
LONDON — Of all the stories of survival from the Auschwitz concentration camp, Gena Turgel's is one of the most astonishing.
“When I think back, I have to pinch myself sometimes to see if I’m really alive," the 90-year-old told NBC News.
Turgel, an elegant woman with more than a hint of mischief in her blue eyes, survived not one or two, but three Nazi concentration camps.
In the most notorious of all, Auschwitz-Birkeanau, she was herded naked into a gas chamber with hundreds of others.
Yet Turgel, who was 21 at the time, walked out alive.
She had no idea the Nazis had tried to kill her until a woman she knew said, “Don’t you know what has just happened to you? You were in the gas chamber!”
Turgel still looks amazed to have cheated death.
"I completely lost my voice," she said. "I just never realized I was in the gas chamber ... it must not have worked."
Turgel's life sounds like a history of the war. She was 16 when her hometown of Krakow, Poland, was bombed by the Nazi Luftwaffe on Sept. 1, 1939, the first day of the war. She had relatives in Chicago but the family was too late in acting on their plan to move there, and Poland was swiftly sealed by the Germans.
Sometimes, they run out of gas!
Woman who SURVIVED Auschwitz because Nazis ran out of gas turns 101
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... thday.html
Mengele's dog this time:
A survivor's story casts a new perspective on this issue. In an article in Israeli newspaper, Ha-Aretz, a doctoral student relates the story of her mother who survived Auschwitz because of the latter's musical talents. The infamous Dr. Mengele, medical director of that camp, is well-known for the medical experiments which he performed on concentration camp inmates. These included such "scientific" inquiries as the length of time a man can survive being submerged in freezing water, which level of torture causes unconsciousness; how small children react to physical mutilations, and the like.
What is less known about Mengele, at least until this article was published, is that he was a devotee of classical music. In fact, in the same building known as "the experimentation block" there was a "music room" in which he would indulge his talent of violin playing. When the above-mentioned woman arrived at Auschwitz, Mengele noted in her record that she was a pianist and asked her to perform for him. He was so impressed with her talents that he decided to give her special treatment, a privilege that ultimately spared her life.
In addition to the usual slave labor to which all inmates were subjected, this woman had to perform periodically for Mengele, often while the latter would accompany her on his violin. In particular, the article relates, he loved to have her play Shubert's "Serenade" and the religious hymn, "Ave Maria."
So important was music to Mengele, that he trained one of his dogs to be sensitive to every nuance of his favorite compositions. If ever the woman would play a note inaccurately, the dog would pounce on her and viciously bite her. This happened many times when she was forced to perform before Mengele when she was unable to concentrate fully on her playing, such as after she had contracted tuberculosis.
She had at least ten scars all over her body resulting from dog-bites incurred by lapses in her performance.
Hitler constructed moving knife chambers straight out of Indiana Jones
Shooting 12 people with 1 bullet
Electric chair at Treblinka
-- Herbert Spencer
Who is online
Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 14 guests