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Alleged kidnappings/abductions of Eastern European children

Postby DSV » 8 years 8 months ago (Tue Jun 05, 2012 4:40 pm)

(Hello, everybody. This is my first post on this forum. I've searched this forum to see if this subject was discussed, and it appears that it hasn't. Hopefully someone better educated on this issue can give me an answer. Thanks.)

So anyway, there is a big deal about so much alleged anti-Slavism in the Third Reich (although nowhere nearly as important as all that alleged anti-Semitism). One rumor deals with allegations that Polish children were taken from their parents to be "Germanized" and that certain Eastern European cultures would be eradicated completely through the alleged Generalplan Ost. Having looked up Generalplan Ost, it seems that that too was a phony "secret" Nazi document, like the Posen speech. That being said, I can't find anything debunking the kidnapping allegations, nor can I find anyone who claims to have been a victim of such a crime. Could anyone set the record straigh on this matter?

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Re: Alleged kidnappings/abductions of Eastern European child

Postby Dresden » 8 years 8 months ago (Tue Jun 05, 2012 8:48 pm)

Hello, DSV.....and welcome to the CODOH Forum!

DSV said:

"One rumor deals with allegations that Polish children were taken from their parents to be "Germanized" and that certain Eastern European cultures would be eradicated completely through the alleged Generalplan Ost.

Can you cite source, or provide a link as to where you "heard" this "rumor"? It would be so much easier to find information on its truth or falsity if we knew where the rumor originated.

Thank you!
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Re: Alleged kidnappings/abductions of Eastern European child

Postby Steven Willow » 8 years 8 months ago (Tue Jun 05, 2012 9:17 pm)

A simple google search brings up lots of these tales of Eastern Europeans kidnapped by the Nazis. A major componant of the Hoaxter tap dance is the argument that Nazi genocide of the jews was only one aspect of an elaborate and far reaching racial policy that sought to create a hierarchy based on genetic attributes. According to Hoaxters, the Nazis initiated vast slave labor, euthanasia, extermination and breeding programs that all evolved out of a centralised philosophical/political understanding.

It's all complete poppycock, and comes from the wish to oppress and humiliate the good name of the German people. Nonsensical fantasies like this are all part of the brainwashing process.
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Re: Alleged kidnappings/abductions of Eastern European child

Postby DSV » 8 years 8 months ago (Tue Jun 05, 2012 9:24 pm)

Hi, Steve F, and thanks for the welcome.

I first "heard" (well, read actually) of the allegation in a history book in high school many years ago. I only recently began looking into holocaust revisionism in the past two years, all of it online (obviously, as no talk radio whore would talk about the real problems of society). I heard Michael Weiner (stage name "Savage") do an interview with Sylvester Stallone, maybe four years ago, about some Vietnam movie that Stallone had a part of. Stallone mentioned something about the children of a certain group being kidnpped and brainwashed with communist propaganda and Weiner made comparisons of that with the Ottoman empire taking southeastern children away and the allegation that Eastern European children were taken away by the Nazis. I haven't looked into the issue much, maybe only the past week or so, as I was looking into other myths about WWII.

This site makes a deal about it:

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jso ... ldren.html

Here's Wikipedia on it:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kidnapping ... zi_Germany

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Re: Alleged kidnappings/abductions of Eastern European child

Postby DSV » 8 years 8 months ago (Tue Jun 05, 2012 9:25 pm)

Steven Willow wrote:A simple google search brings up lots of these tales of Eastern Europeans kidnapped by the Nazis. A major componant of the Hoaxter tap dance is the argument that Nazi genocide of the jews was only one aspect of an elaborate and far reaching racial policy that sought to create a hierarchy based on genetic attributes. According to Hoaxters, the Nazis initiated vast slave labor, euthanasia, extermination and breeding programs that all evolved out of a centralised philosophical/political understanding.

It's all complete poppycock, and comes from the wish to oppress and humiliate the good name of the German people. Nonsensical fantasies like this are all part of the brainwashing process.
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Sorry, I didn't see your post when I replied to Steve F! I guess you posted it before I hit reply.

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Re: Alleged kidnappings/abductions of Eastern European child

Postby borjastick » 8 years 8 months ago (Wed Jun 06, 2012 12:56 am)

Steven, you may well be right in most of your assertions of madcap radical policy claims but the breeding for the aryan future was true. It was at a place called Lebensborn (probably misspelled) and many many young women were inseminated by true aryan stock and senior Nazi and SS officials. I believe one of the ABBA girl singers is of this programme.

There is much to read on this most interesting subject. Though of course unless you are of the Star of David tribe you wouldn't connect it directly (or indirectly) with the big H.
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Re: Alleged kidnappings/abductions of Eastern European child

Postby delafeld » 8 years 8 months ago (Wed Jun 06, 2012 2:55 am)

Thiazi lexikon has an entry regarding the "Lebensborn" system (auf Deutsch). Basically they are saying it was a care system programme for children (for german/aryan children). For raising child birth rates.

http://forum.thiazi.net/vbglossar.php?d ... try&id=430

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Postby Steven Willow » 8 years 8 months ago (Wed Jun 06, 2012 7:07 am)

borjastick wrote:Steven, you may well be right in most of your assertions of madcap radical policy claims but the breeding for the aryan future was true. It was at a place called Lebensborn (probably misspelled) and many many young women were inseminated by true aryan stock and senior Nazi and SS officials. I believe one of the ABBA girl singers is of this programme.

There is much to read on this most interesting subject. Though of course unless you are of the Star of David tribe you wouldn't connect it directly (or indirectly) with the big H.


borjastick, there is nothing wrong with a little Aryan pride, nor is pre-natal care, or assistance for lonely people wishing to have a relationship anything to be ashamed of. The German people needed to raise their population in order to settle into the empty spaces in the gaping wilderness of Eastern Europe and there is nothing wrong with that. But that is not what is being alleged.
Nazis are being accused of kidnapping children with Aryan features, while marking youths with non-Aryaan features for slave labor. Where is the proof for this?

My guess is that Poles and Slavs are aping the jews and making up tales in order to collect reparations.

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Postby Toshiro » 8 years 8 months ago (Wed Jun 06, 2012 9:35 am)

Is Lebensborn really a part of the Holocaust narrative? Not really, so I'm not sure why this should be discussed here.

Anyway, I personally believe all the children they "stole" (never proven at Nuremberg) were orphans whose parents had died, so I don't see that as something terrible.

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Postby delafeld » 8 years 8 months ago (Wed Jun 06, 2012 4:57 pm)

Toshiro wrote:Is Lebensborn really a part of the Holocaust narrative? Not really, so I'm not sure why this should be discussed here.

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It's not technically a part of the holocaust narrative, but it is used, together with other myths (AND truths) about nazi eugenics, as an explanation for a motive of the extermination of the jews and other groups of people.

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Postby mincuo » 8 years 8 months ago (Wed Jun 06, 2012 7:26 pm)

Toshiro wrote:Is Lebensborn really a part of the Holocaust narrative? Not really, so I'm not sure why this should be discussed here.

Anyway, I personally believe all the children they "stole" (never proven at Nuremberg) were orphans whose parents had died, so I don't see that as something terrible.


I'm very surprised that one doesn't see that the more the Gas Chambers are debunked, the more the Auschwitz trembles, and so on, the more the Holocaust tries to be linked to euthanasia or other issues where the stories have some real room. The propaganda goal is that since those are real then all is real. So, to say " I'm not sure why this should be discussed here" to me is a bit strange. May be almost ONLY this really should be discussed here. Otherwise what you have to discuss that you didn't already discussed in 30 years? The cyanide? The ovens? The orders? 95% at least you did, it's a continue boring repetition, or a ritual. Or you have new Soviet documents released, and I doubt, because if there are, are a sort of life insurance for them, or there is nothing new. Instead this field (kidnapping...) is relatively less researched.
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Postby Steven Willow » 8 years 8 months ago (Wed Jun 06, 2012 9:00 pm)

mincuo wrote:
Toshiro wrote:Is Lebensborn really a part of the Holocaust narrative? Not really, so I'm not sure why this should be discussed here.

Anyway, I personally believe all the children they "stole" (never proven at Nuremberg) were orphans whose parents had died, so I don't see that as something terrible.


I'm very surprised that one doesn't see that the more the Gas Chambers are debunked, the more the Auschwitz trembles, and so on, the more the Holocaust tries to be linked to euthanasia or other issues where the stories have some real room. The propaganda goal is that since those are real then all is real. So, to say " I'm not sure why this should be discussed here" to me is a bit strange. May be almost ONLY this really should be discussed here. Otherwise what you have to discuss that you didn't already discussed in 30 years? The cyanide? The ovens? The orders? 95% at least you did, it's a continue boring repetition, or a ritual. Or you have new Soviet documents released, and I doubt, because if there are, are a sort of life insurance for them, or there is nothing new. Instead this field (kidnapping...) is relatively less researched.
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mincuo, the euthanasia program was allegedly where the Nazis developed the practice of disguising gas chambers as shower rooms, and also, all the AR staff members were allegedly trained at T-4, so that the connection that the Hoaxters make between various Nazi so called racial/genetic/hygenic programs is nothing new based on the recent debunking of gas chambers. These Hoaxter ideas have been floundering around for the past 60 years and can be read in Hilberg if you'd like to read his book just for a few yucks.

The crap about Nazis kidnapping Poles is nothing new, and has been "researched" (hoaxed) for decades. http://spotlights.fold3.com/2012/05/25/ ... rior-race/

The Hoaxters came up with a silly narrative a long time ago, and have been spreading these lies from the day that Hitler became Fuhrer. The jews, essentially, knew that their story about being Holocausted wouldn't hold up, so they decided to concoct stories about so called Nazi crimes against the mentally retarded, the mentally ill, the Gypsies, the Rhineland Bastards, the crippled, and the Poles and Slavs to make their own hoaxed story fit into a larger narrative about Nazi malice. Don't believe any of it, but don't say that the Hoaxters are flying by the seat of their pants. These lies are all moldy old tricks that have been played against us from day one.

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Re: Alleged kidnappings/abductions of Eastern European child

Postby neugierig » 8 years 8 months ago (Wed Jun 06, 2012 9:26 pm)

Good post, mincuo, and yes, we should expand and consider everything in context. The Industry does, forced to for lack of evidence, but to discuss all of the programs initiated by National Socialists is not a bad idea. As you mention, the Industry links the euthanasia issue to the holo in an effort to demonstrate that because one happened the other was a logical extension. Nonsense of the finest, of course, but why not list all the positives?

And you are also correct about the Soviet documents. Putin has it in his power to end “The Holocaust”, but he is hanging on to the status quo for two reasons. One for insurance, as you have noted ant the other is because when the holo goes, so will the myth about “The Great Patriotic War”. And that would unglue Russia.

We’ll just have to wait and see, it appears however that Russia and China have drawn a line in the sand. Sorry, I only have this in German:
http://www.welt.de/politik/ausland/arti ... assen.html

How will this play out? Who knows.

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Re: Alleged kidnappings/abductions of Eastern European child

Postby mincuo » 8 years 8 months ago (Thu Jun 07, 2012 5:56 pm)

Hello Steven,
Of course you are right that isn't new, but from the first day. May be I said badly. I would say that they are pushing more on those (as they push on the "Holocaust by bullets") now. May be it's only my feeling.
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Re: Alleged kidnappings/abductions of Eastern European child

Postby DSV » 8 years 8 months ago (Thu Jun 07, 2012 7:04 pm)

mincuo wrote:Hello Steven,
Of course you are right that isn't new, but from the first day. May be I said badly. I would say that they are pushing more on those (as they push on the "Holocaust by bullets") now. May be it's only my feeling.


Hi, mincuo,

This is exactly the feeling I had/have, too, as the more the gas chamber myth gets debunked, the more we are going to see other played up atrocities (whether real or not) being cited as key examples of Nazi brutality. Just as holocaust revisionists have so thoroughly debunked the crucial fables spread by jews in regard to their Final Solution, so should holocaust revisionists also look into other alleged atrocities commited by the Germans on non-German, Gentile European populations.

I have a sense of foreboding that as the more that national socialism is looked over again and seen in a more accurate light, tales of anti-Slavic cruelty and German supremacist terror will be spun for alienation and divide and conquer purposes.


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