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Re: Train crash site:Dresden,Ohio 1912 ?

Postby Jerzy Ulicki-Rek » 4 years 11 months ago (Wed Jul 18, 2012 3:33 am)

I'm digging because my gut feeling tells me that we are on the right track.
Have a look at the pictures bellow .
There is no steam now and the train engine is back to vertical position ..
I will do more diggging.. :)
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Re: Train crash site:Dresden,Ohio 1912 ?

Postby Jerzy Ulicki-Rek » 4 years 11 months ago (Wed Jul 18, 2012 4:10 am)

Because I'm outside USA I can't register with the website to get more info.(full access )
It will give us the look in to news about accident from 64 different newspapers.There must be some pictures.
Will somebody from USA help?
I will cover the costs.
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"Your search for Dresden found 64 matching documents in Historical Newspapers. Get instant access to these documents. Plus! Unlimited access to millions of additional records."


Newspaper Archive - Dresden News Articles Found.
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1)
Six Were Killed; Eleven Hurt in a Penn by. Wreck. One Train Crashed into the Rear of Another at Dresden, Ohio

Date: December 04, 1912
Location: Florida
Paper: Miami Herald
Article type: Newspaper Article
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2)
Eight Dead, Four Dying, Result of Train Crash Bad Wreck Occurs on Pennsylvania System. Four
Date: December 04, 1912
Location: Georgia
Paper: Macon Telegraph
Article type: Newspaper Article
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3)
Eight Killed in Railroad Wreck Engine Breaks down on Ohio Road and Train is Hit

Date: December 04, 1912
Location: Minnesota
Paper: Duluth News-Tribune
Article type: Newspaper Article
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4)
Ohio Wreck Kills Nine, Hurts Seven, One Dying Women, Children and Cleveland Man Among Victims

Date: December 04, 1912
Location: Ohio
Paper: Plain Dealer
Article type: Newspaper Article
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5)
Dead List Eleven From Ohio Wreck Total Mortality Figures Go Up Three When Woman and

Date: December 05, 1912
Location: Ohio
Paper: Plain Dealer
Article type: Newspaper Article
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6)
Pennsy Blamed for Wreck Trains Too Close and Equipment Defective, Says Coroner

Date: December 24, 1912
Location: Maryland
Paper: Sun
Article type: Newspaper Article
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7)
Holds Pennsy Officials Responsible For Wreck

Date: December 23, 1912
Location: Michigan
Paper: Grand Rapids Press
Article type: Newspaper Article
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8)
8 Die, 7 Injured In Pennsy Wreck Engine Ploughs Into Rear Coach of Disabled

Date: December 04, 1912
Location: Pennsylvania
Paper: Patriot
Article type: Newspaper Article
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9)
Four Dead in Wreck in Pennsylvania R. R

Date: December 04, 1912
Location: Rhode Island
Paper: Pawtucket Times
Article type: Newspaper Article
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10)
11 Dead In Wreck, Including Mother And Two Children; Flagman Too Late To Avert 11

Date: December 04, 1912
Location: New Jersey
Paper: Trenton Evening Times
Article type: Newspaper Article
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Re: Train crash site:Dresden,Ohio 1912 ?

Postby Jerzy Ulicki-Rek » 4 years 11 months ago (Wed Jul 18, 2012 9:49 am)

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I just did a bit of work on fake.
Look at the hats of the man standing,their cloths..
And have a look what the first man from the left holds in his hand.
Does it look like a HAT?
From my point of view it does.
Are those fellows a "sondercommando" ?
And what the hat is doing there?Did the man find it inside the gas chambers and decided to keep?
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Re: Train crash site:Dresden,Ohio 1912 ?

Postby tyger » 4 years 11 months ago (Wed Jul 18, 2012 11:14 am)

The workers in the corpse burning photo are in shirt sleeve order. The rail accident occured in the middle of an Ohio winter and it looks as though there is snow on the ground. The two do not tally.

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Re: Train crash site:Dresden,Ohio 1912 ?

Postby Jerzy Ulicki-Rek » 4 years 11 months ago (Wed Jul 18, 2012 7:42 pm)

tyger wrote:The workers in the corpse burning photo are in shirt sleeve order. The rail accident occured in the middle of an Ohio winter and it looks as though there is snow on the ground. The two do not tally.


Good point but:if they were standing close to a steam engine with a lot of steam coming out and moving fast - they could get pretty worm.Theoretically...
But they are not wearing the SS- uniforms or prisoners garb as well.
Who are they?
Even if this is not Ohio 1912 it is not Auschwitz either.
Another question:first man from the right:what is he holding in his left hand?


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Re: Train crash site:Dresden,Ohio 1912 ?

Postby borjastick » 4 years 11 months ago (Thu Jul 19, 2012 2:29 am)

Jerzy I think you are sort of barking up the wrong tree. There's a cat up the next tree!

I don't see any connection between the train crash and the famous photo supposedly of mass burnings at auschwitz. However you are right to focus on the fakery of the picture. I think you should concentrate on this forgery rather than apportioning it to Ohio. If you can prove the content, added pieces and origin on this picture then good on you.
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Re: Train crash site:Dresden,Ohio 1912 ?

Postby Jerzy Ulicki-Rek » 4 years 11 months ago (Thu Jul 19, 2012 7:55 am)

borjastick wrote:Jerzy I think you are sort of barking up the wrong tree. There's a cat up the next tree!

It's very possible that you are right:)It doesn't have to be Ohio 1912 as suggested in tel-aviv-sion program but I wanted to rule it out.-Jerzy

I don't see any connection between the train crash and the famous photo supposedly of mass burnings at auschwitz. However you are right to focus on the fakery of the picture. I think you should concentrate on this forgery rather than apportioning it to Ohio. If you can prove the content, added pieces and origin on this picture then good on you.


If we could locate the original picture it will be a something to die for :)
I do not have any doubt the the "famous' picture is a fake but to locate the "donor" will be a like a spanner inside the holo-machine
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Re: Train crash site:Dresden,Ohio 1912 ?

Postby saiz » 4 years 6 months ago (Tue Dec 11, 2012 8:23 am)

In fact, the photo shown in Ghost Adventures is fake.
See here:
http://hungarianskeptics.blogspot.hu/20 ... ed-by.html

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Re: Train crash site:Dresden,Ohio 1912 ?

Postby Occam's Razor » 4 years 6 months ago (Tue Dec 11, 2012 2:33 pm)

Hi saiz

Is that your blog?

I mean, it's the only entry on that website, and it seems it was posted a few hours ago. Not likely that many people except the author know about that website.

The article contains some misleading information:

Unsurprisingly, the process of industrial-scale genocide perpetrated in the Auschwitz death camp has been documented only by a few photographs taken on the spot.

Really? Please show us these photos. I'm not aware of a single one. And I'm talking about all alleged murder sites, not just Auschwitz.

The exceptions include four photographs clandestinely taken by a few members of the Sonderkommando, the prisoners forced to dispose of the huge amount of corpses coming from the gas chambers.

Really? "Coming from the gas chambers"? How can you see that from this photo, Mr. Skeptic?
You do know that Auschwitz had high death rates throughout long periods of its existence, due to typhus and other epidemics? How do you know these corpses are not typhus victims?

Holocaust deniers question the genuinity of most Auschwitz photos.

Really? I'm not aware of a single photo from Auschwitz whose authenticity I question.
And by the way, Holocaust "denier" sounds a little bit insulting, don't you think? And as a rational "skeptic", you don't want to come across as insulting, do you?

What's more, a British aerial photograph taken in August 1944 shows dense smoke rising from exactly the place where the photo was taken.

Again, if these corpses are typhus victims, what does that prove?


I know that several revisionists question the authenticity of this set of photos. But not all. And I'm one of those who believe these photos could be authentic. But I don't believe they show gassing victims. It's much more likely that the corpses are typhus victims.

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Re: Train crash site:Dresden,Ohio 1912 ?

Postby Kingfisher » 4 years 6 months ago (Tue Dec 11, 2012 2:50 pm)

Good point Occam's Razor. It doesn't matter whether that photo is authentic or not as it proves nothing. Same applies to nearly all the photos we have discussed in other threads.

IIRC, though don't some of the bodies look like unreal paintings when blown up?

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Re: Train crash site:Dresden,Ohio 1912 ?

Postby Goethe » 4 years 6 months ago (Tue Dec 11, 2012 3:04 pm)

A blow-up is most revealing.

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Spaghetti anyone?

Lot's of fun here.
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Re: Train crash site:Dresden,Ohio 1912 ?

Postby Dresden » 4 years 6 months ago (Tue Dec 11, 2012 3:57 pm)

Goethe said:

"A blow-up is most revealing"

What?.....I don't see anytyhing wrong with the picture. :roll:
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Re: Train crash site:Dresden,Ohio 1912 ?

Postby Occam's Razor » 4 years 6 months ago (Tue Dec 11, 2012 4:35 pm)

I'm fully aware of all the arguments regarding this photo.

The photo in question was obviously manipulated. I'm referring to the "spaghetti woman".

But that doesn't necessarily mean that the whole photo is fake.

I have seen several photos in old books (end of 19th, early 20th century), that show similar manipulations. Usually the photos were very pale black and white photos with low contrast. For book printing they were then obviously enhanced, manually retouched. The end result in most cases looked like a mixture of a photo and a painting.

When this thread was discussed here a few months ago, I remembered that I had seen a version of this photo were the area where "spaghetti woman" appears, looks more natural. At that time I couldn't find this version, but luckily Hans from the HC blog helped out a few days or weeks later. He posted an interesting article about this photo on that blog. And yes, sometimes even the guys from the HC blog can be good for something.

The title of the article is:
The Auschwitz open air incineration ground photographs and Revisionist forgery allegations
Sunday, July 22, 2012
http://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.com/2012/07/the-auschwitz-burning-open-air.html
Or, if that link doesn't work:
http://tinyurl.com/cv2akjv

Except for a few words ("Thirdly, the corpses are from gassed victims") I basically agree with the whole article. That's almost exactly what I think about the photo since several years.

The only difference is that I believe the photo shows simply typhus victims.

Btw, there's also an interesting comment under the article:

Ingbritt said...

Germar Rudolf writes:

“the fence posts visible in the background did never exist with that shape in Auschwitz"

What utter rubbish. Same fence is STILL there to this day:

http://hem.bredband.net/b477328/1/k5a.jpg
Thursday, September 20, 2012 3:52:00 PM


One could certainly argue that the photo cannot be used as incriminating evidence since it might have been manipulated and the origin cannot be guaranteed with 100% certainty.
But since the photo(s) cannot prove gassings, and instead could only prove open air incinerations of typhus victims, which are acknowledged by leading revisionists like Mattogno, who cares?

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Re: Train crash site:Dresden,Ohio 1912 ?

Postby Rankweil » 4 years 6 months ago (Tue Dec 11, 2012 4:47 pm)

But it looks like this photo might actually be from Dresden Ohio 30 yrs. earlier. I think that's the point, isn't it?

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Re: Train crash site:Dresden,Ohio 1912 ?

Postby saiz » 4 years 6 months ago (Tue Dec 11, 2012 6:53 pm)

Maybe it's worth including here the Ghost Adventures photo along with the Auschwitz photo, with the obvious signs of editing on the Ghost Adventures version:
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As described in the
http://hungarianskeptics.blogspot.hu/20 ... ed-by.html , the rectangles with identical colors indicate identical areas in the photos.
This definitively proves that the Auschwitz photo is the original, and the photo shown in Ghost Adventures is an edited version of the Auschwitz photo, having nothing to do at all with any train accident in Ohio or anywhere. Thus, the question of this topic is finally decided.

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