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Re: Guerilla Revisionist Marketing

Postby Kingfisher » 7 years 3 months ago (Thu Aug 09, 2012 4:34 am)

Creox wrote:Ironically, Chomsky is a believer, at least publicly.

It's quite impossible for anyone in the public eye to question the story. Doubly so if they belong to the left half of the political spectrum. Add to that being Jewish... look what they did to David Cole. So people like Chomsky and Finkelstein have to maintain their belief. Whether this is sincere or for public consumption we have no way of knowing, but both have been quite vehement in denying that they are deniers. Yet Chomsky took the risk of supporting Faurisson's right to publish, even writing a foreword for him. He also signed and publicly supported the petition against the imprisonment of Vincent Reynouard. Whether it is their intention or not, these two help Revisionism more by their present positions than by openly embracing it. For me Finkelstein was the bridge to actually questioning the H. I don't think I am alone.

I suspect that a much larger number than we realise have their doubts. My suspicions are based not on what they have said, but on what they don't say: discussing the war and only finding space for a ritual genuflection, or writing on related topics and jumping over this one. Both Churchill and de Gaulle may belong to this group, maybe Eisenhower. Go into a bookshop and pick up a fairly standard popular history volume on WW2 and thumb through it: you will find a routine reference to Auschwitz toward the end; you will likely find nothing on Treblinka, Belzec etc. Chances are there will be no numbers quoted. If you can find an older, pre-Industry book, you may find nothing at all.

I have in mind one well-known leftist whose main area is British and American imperialism. He is also a strong supporter of the Palestinians. This person did something on the way the press has been used since way back in the nineteenth century to support the official line in wars. He covered thoroughly the British and American propaganda in WW1and singled out Edward Bernays for special mention, including the development of PR in the Twenties and how he (Bernays) made smoking fashionable for women. When he (not Bernays this time) came to WW2 he did something deconstructing the "Spirit of the London Blitz" in 1940 and then jumped to the Korean War. No bombing of Germany, no Nuremberg, no Big H. You may realise who I am referring to, but I don't want to risk drawing attention to him by naming him.

I am pretty confident that Jacques Vergès, the French lawyer who defended Klaus Barbie (Gestapo chief in Lyon), and who offered to defend Saddam Hussein, knows the H is a crock of shit. Though little known in the Anglosphere, he is famous in France: of mixed French-Vietnamese parentage he is a strong opponent of French imperialism.

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Re: Guerilla Revisionist Marketing

Postby borjastick » 7 years 3 months ago (Thu Aug 09, 2012 8:46 am)

Here's a plan based on the twin theories of common sense and a principle isn't a principle unless it costs you something.

1 Send an agreed text email to everyone on our own email address list.
2 Send an A4 poster to at least one hundred members of parliament.
3 En masse we ask every Codoh user to send the same poster to Yad Vashem.
4 Target certain individuals where we know their place of work; I am thinking of Nick Terry etc. Send a letter plus poster. The letter details why the person in question should be at least blackballed for their dodgy practices.
5 Every Codoh user pays $10 to Codoh to produce a short well written and pertinent film debunking the holohoax. This then gets posted on youtube and is sent to all members of parliament etc.
6 We all run around naked dishing out poster in point 2.
'Of the four million Jews under Nazi control in WW2, six million died and alas only five million survived.'

'We don't need evidence, we have survivors' - israeli politician

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Re: Guerilla Revisionist Marketing

Postby borjastick » 7 years 3 months ago (Fri Aug 10, 2012 7:57 am)

So here is the start of my gorilla marketing campaign, designed to destabilise the current thinking and accepted version of the six million dead final solution. Well c'mon it is the silly season after all...
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Re: Guerilla Revisionist Marketing

Postby Callahan » 7 years 2 months ago (Sun Aug 12, 2012 2:20 am)

rerevisionist wrote:MASS EMAILSHOT??
HDC -- Sorry to appear negative. Or perhaps realistic. If you want a mass campaign, you might do better to imitate the spammers who sent out millions of emails, presumably to harvested addresses. Carefully worded to arouse maximum curiosity and minimum hostility. Possibly on the lines suggested by the awakening of e.g. Carolyn Yeager and others.

I think this is a matter of quality vs. quantity. The e-mail proposal is a great idea but most people are frustrated at best when finding spam in their inbox. A poster is less invasive. Something so bold in public view challenging one of the most highly-regarded and taboo topics in recent history could be quite memorable.

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Re: Guerilla Revisionist Marketing

Postby borjastick » 7 years 2 months ago (Sun Aug 12, 2012 11:55 am)

I have emailed a request to Contraversial TV (Edge Media) to get some airtime on Holocaust Revisionism. I have said that we are a non aggressive, non anti semitic revisionist bunch who seek to be able to put across the other evidence and science based arguments against the holocaust claims.

Their reply could be interesting, but if they say yes we will need to put someone forward to speak on tv or put a programme together ourselves, at our expense.
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Re: Guerilla Revisionist Marketing

Postby Kingfisher » 7 years 2 months ago (Mon Aug 13, 2012 11:00 am)

I went to their site and found they have an interview with Gilad Atzmon, that may interest some people here:
http://www.emtvonline.co.uk/viewpage.php?page_id=27

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Re: Guerilla Revisionist Marketing

Postby Cloud » 7 years 2 months ago (Mon Aug 13, 2012 4:20 pm)

Callahan wrote:Can anyone say they've put in a substantial amount of effort handing out pamphlets, CDs loaded with information and videos, or otherwise, to their local community? Zundel became well-known for publishing pamphlets, and this kind of marketing really does seem like an effective way to reach out and introduce people to a topic they may have otherwise had no contact with.

The internet does most of the work to spread revisionism. Did you find your way to this forum because you found a pamphlet on your car windshield that said:

THE HOLOCAUST IS A HOAX
FIND OUT MORE AT
http://WWW.CODOH.COM


Or did you click on a link on another website that led you here?

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Re: Guerilla Revisionist Marketing

Postby Kingfisher » 7 years 2 months ago (Mon Aug 13, 2012 4:47 pm)

Thank you, Cloud, for bringing some realism to this discussion. Flyers on lamp posts?! I was beginning to wonder what century some people were living in.

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Re: Guerilla Revisionist Marketing

Postby Creox » 7 years 2 months ago (Mon Aug 13, 2012 6:25 pm)

Speaking of marketing

Here is an article I saw in the "Mail" website about two survivors from Treblinka. They spout the usual, hard to fathom, story about atrocities, gas chambers, 15,000 Jews killed
in one day etc. This is how you market a story. The responses never question one thing about them and the article even states that this is in spite of the fact that there are no physical evidence to back these men up.

How do you fight ghosts?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2186984/Stories-Treblinka-Last-living-survivors-speak-horrors-haunting-memories-Nazi-death-camp.html

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Re: Guerilla Revisionist Marketing

Postby rerevisionist » 7 years 2 months ago (Tue Aug 14, 2012 9:42 am)

More on e-mail marketing

I've completely changed my mind on this, partly after noticing that the control panel program cPanel has an Email Marketing, basic email name list, and advanced email campaigns icons. Everyone email markets these days. I haven't ever tried this, but probably you'd need, or we'd need

[1] Email addresses. Millions, preferably. There may be 4 or 500 million whites who would be the main target. Even a million a week would take a whole year.
[2] A hosting site able to send them out. I would guess there are businesses specialising in this, just as there were companies specialising in collecting updated mail addresses and sending out mailshots by 'snailmail'. They may have to be based offshore or in China or something to avoid the reach of the usuals.
[3] There's a lot of scope for sending out different versions and judging the results by some measurable criterion/criteria - e.g. hits to CODOH and other sites, media mentions and 'dismentions', etc.
[4] Maybe different groups could co-operate.


It's quite likely the emphasis on 'spam', 'junk' etc is deliberately done to discourage people from trying this approach.

Couldn't people prominent in the revisionist world get together? And maybe some sympathetic observer with cash or experience could get it going?

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Re: Guerilla Revisionist Marketing

Postby Hektor » 7 years 1 month ago (Sat Sep 22, 2012 6:06 am)

Kingfisher wrote:
Creox wrote:Ironically, Chomsky is a believer, at least publicly.

It's quite impossible for anyone in the public eye to question the story. Doubly so if they belong to the left half of the political spectrum. Add to that being Jewish... look what they did to David Cole. So people like Chomsky and Finkelstein have to maintain their belief. Whether this is sincere or for public consumption we have no way of knowing, but both have been quite vehement in denying that they are deniers. Yet Chomsky took the risk of supporting Faurisson's right to publish, even writing a foreword for him. He also signed and publicly supported the petition against the imprisonment of Vincent Reynouard. Whether it is their intention or not, these two help Revisionism more by their present positions than by openly embracing it. For me Finkelstein was the bridge to actually questioning the H. I don't think I am alone.
...
That applies to a few others as well. It's really funny how many people are afraid to question the story, even just as an intellectual exercise. I say funny, because this even includes people that apparently do not have any moral or emotional attachment to it.

Chomsky takes a stance in his "manufacturing consent":
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3AnB8MuQ6DU
It's quite at the end of it.

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Re: Guerilla Revisionist Marketing

Postby Haldan » 6 years 7 months ago (Mon Mar 25, 2013 6:57 am)

Callahan,
Didn't you post a Revisionist poster before the board changed hosts? I cannot locate it in this thread so apparently it must have been lost for whatever reason.
I thought it was really well-done and I'm sure more people would like to see it. Care to re-post it?

By the way:
Did it take long for you to create it? If not, you ought to consider making more of them because there isn't so many Revisionist posters in really high quality with contemporary facts.

Good work!

Regards,
-haldan


Callahan wrote:
rerevisionist wrote:MASS EMAILSHOT??
HDC -- Sorry to appear negative. Or perhaps realistic. If you want a mass campaign, you might do better to imitate the spammers who sent out millions of emails, presumably to harvested addresses. Carefully worded to arouse maximum curiosity and minimum hostility. Possibly on the lines suggested by the awakening of e.g. Carolyn Yeager and others.

I think this is a matter of quality vs. quantity. The e-mail proposal is a great idea but most people are frustrated at best when finding spam in their inbox. A poster is less invasive. Something so bold in public view challenging one of the most highly-regarded and taboo topics in recent history could be quite memorable.
<?php if ($Holocaust == false ) {deny_repeatedly(); } else { investigate(); } ?>
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Re: Guerilla Revisionist Marketing

Postby Callahan » 6 years 7 months ago (Mon Mar 25, 2013 7:56 pm)

Haldan wrote:Callahan,
Didn't you post a Revisionist poster before the board changed hosts? I cannot locate it in this thread so apparently it must have been lost for whatever reason.
I thought it was really well-done and I'm sure more people would like to see it. Care to re-post it?

By the way:
Did it take long for you to create it? If not, you ought to consider making more of them because there isn't so many Revisionist posters in really high quality with contemporary facts.

Good work!

Regards,
-haldan


Many thanks! It didn't take too long although I wasn't completely happy with it because I haven't yet been able to find a way to remove those lines in the background. I just got some new software, though, so I'll probably end up making some more but here's the old one for anyone interested:

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Re: Guerilla Revisionist Marketing

Postby Haldan » 6 years 7 months ago (Mon Mar 25, 2013 8:03 pm)

Ah, yes that one. Thank you, Callahan!

I actually thought the lines had been done deliberately; to mimick the look from those notebooks used by designers, architects and the like, guess I was wrong there :mrgreen:

Sweet, glad to hear you're thinking about doing more of these.

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Re: Guerilla Revisionist Marketing

Postby Callahan » 6 years 7 months ago (Mon Mar 25, 2013 8:03 pm)

Actually, use this one. It's updated for the new forum URL:

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