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Elie Wiesel's call to hate

Postby Reviso » 5 years 2 months ago (Tue Aug 14, 2012 7:49 am)

Revisionists quoted these words of Elie Wiesel :
"Every Jew, somewhere in his being, should set apart a zone of hate -- healthy, virile hate -- for what the German personifies and for what persists in the German. To do otherwise would be a betrayal of the dead."
with reference to his book Legends of Our Time (chapter 12: "Appointment with Hate"), New York: Schocken Books, 1982, p. 142, or, New York: Avon, 1968, pp. 177-178.
See for example R. Faurisson, "A Prominent False Witness: Elie Wiesel", on the IHR site : http://www.ihr.org/leaflets/wiesel.shtml

John Silber, Boston University Chancellor, objected that "No fair-minded person can read Wiesel's "Appointment with Hate" and reach that conclusion. Rather, it is a penetrating analysis of his own reactions as he visited Germany for the first time following the war. He entered Germany hating Germans and ended his visit finding it was impossible to hate. In that article, he went on to explain why Jews are not inclined to hate and why they did not engage in acts of vengeance against the Germans."
(See here : http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jso ... ilber.html )

Perhaps it is true that in his book Wiesel retracted the call to hate, but "Appointment with Hate" was firstly published as an article in Commentary in December 1962. I have no opportunty to read this article, but comments from readers were published in April 1963 and are online here :
http://www.commentarymagazine.com/artic ... d-germany/

All these comments give me the impression that in the original article, Elie Wiesel did not retract the call to hate.
For example, one of the comments says :
"is it really necessary to indulge in the self-glorification that Jews do not hate? Even if it were true—and, alas, how many Jews have I met who hate—it does not show good taste to put it in the naive way in which this article puts it. After all, Mr. Wiesel ends by asking the Jews (“every Jew”) to hate (“virile” hate!) what the German (every German?) personifies."

Thus, the call to hate was at the end of the article. I wonder whether the content of the article was not something like : "Jews aren't hateful people, but they should hate the Germans."

Does anybody know the content of the original article ? Beforehand thanks.
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Re: Elie Wiesel's call to hate

Postby Haldan » 5 years 2 months ago (Tue Aug 14, 2012 12:04 pm)

Reviso wrote:In that article, he went on to explain why Jews are not inclined to hate and why they did not engage in acts of vengeance against the Germans."


I'll let somebody else deal with the rest, I must only make a quick remark on this. The Jews did for a certainty carry out grotesque acts of vengeance against (particularly) Germans, and these acts, when I have studied them appear to be so hate-filled that a decent person just can't grasp it all entirely.
I could give a long list of references. But ask yourselves what Mr. Salomon Morel did in Poland at the end of the war. He didn't spend his time there displaying his love for Germans.
That's just one example.

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Re: Elie Wiesel's call to hate

Postby borjastick » 5 years 2 months ago (Tue Aug 14, 2012 2:56 pm)

Wikipedia says of Mr Morel...

Salomon Morel (November 15, 1919 – February 14, 2007) was a Jewish Communist official and an accused war criminal. After the end of World War II, he became the commander of the infamous Zgoda labour camp.[1] During the rule of the Polish United Workers' Party, Morel rose to the rank of colonel in the political police, or MBP and commanded a prison in Katowice.

In 1994, soon after the dissolution of the Soviet Union, Morel was indicted by Poland's Institute of National Remembrance for war crimes and crimes against humanity, including the "revenge killings" of 1,500 ethnic prisoners from Upper Silesia (Polish Silesians and Germans) (.[2] After his case was publicized by the Polish, German, British, and American media, Morel fled to Israel and was granted citizenship under the Law of Return. Poland twice requested his extradition, but Israel refused to comply and rejected the more serious charges as being false, potentially part of an antisemitic conspiracy, and again rejected extradition on the grounds that the statute of limitations against Morel had run out, and that Morel was in poor health.


So there you have it folks, Israel once again ruled by its own arrogance and self delusioned insanity. They feel they can pursue so called German war criminals for ever and one day and that there should never be any statute of limitations, but when it is a jew accused of barbarism they fail to be accountable by the same standards. Makes me sick yet I am in no way surprised.
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Re: Elie Wiesel's call to hate

Postby Kingfisher » 5 years 2 months ago (Tue Aug 14, 2012 4:48 pm)

Reviso wrote:In that article, he went on to explain why Jews are not inclined to hate and why they did not engage in acts of vengeance against the Germans."

Ilya Ehreburg. Quoted from "Kill" in his Wikipedia article.
We know everything. We remember everything. We have understood: Germans are not human beings. Henceforth the word German means to us the most terrible curse. From now on the word German will trigger your rifle. We shall not speak any more. We shall not get excited. We shall kill. If you have not killed at least one German a day, you have wasted that day. If you think that instead of you, the man next to you will kill him, you have not understood the threat. If you do not kill the German, he will kill you. If you cannot kill your German with a bullet, kill him with your bayonet. If there is calm on your part of the front, if you are waiting for the fighting, kill a German before combat. If you leave a German alive, the German will hang a Russian and rape a Russian woman. If you kill one German, kill another - there is nothing more amusing for us than a heap of German corpses. Do not count days; do not count miles. Count only the number of Germans you have killed. Kill the German - this is your old mother's prayer. Kill the German - this is what your children beseech you to do. Kill the German - this is the cry of your Russian earth. Do not waver. Do not let up. Kill.

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Re: Elie Wiesel's call to hate

Postby Reviso » 5 years 2 months ago (Wed Aug 15, 2012 2:14 am)

Thanks for your interest in my post, fellows. Your point would get an additional proof if, as I suspect, Elie Wiesel did not retract his call to hatred in the 1962 article. But the only serious library in my region doesn't possess the 1962 year of Commentary, so I can't check this.
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Re: Elie Wiesel's call to hate

Postby Reviso » 5 years 1 month ago (Fri Aug 31, 2012 8:53 am)

In fact, there is an abstract of Wiesel's 1962 article here :

http://www.commentarymagazine.com/artic ... with-hate/

I don't make payments via Internet, so I will not purchase the article, but from the abstract, it seems that Wiesel already in 1962 retracted the "duty to hate".
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Re: Elie Wiesel's call to hate

Postby Reviso » 3 years 10 months ago (Fri Dec 06, 2013 1:28 pm)

In another topic :

Compare Mandela with Wiesel if you can

hermod gave the complete quote : "Yet today, even having been deserted by my hate during that fleeting visit to Germany, I cry out with all my heart against silence. Every Jew, somewhere in his being, should set apart a zone of hate — healthy, virile hate–for what the German personifies and for what persists in the German. To do otherwise would be a betrayal of the dead.”

Thus the last words were in favor of hate.

In the 2011 edition of Legends of OurTime, there is a (rather embarassed) note : "This last paragaph, which was not included in the original French edition, needs clarification. I hope the reader not see it as an appeal to hate Gemans, surely not those born afte the war; I do not blieve in collective guilt. It was meant to warn against what Hitler's Germany symbolized : muderous racial hatred."

See http://books.google.be/books?id=JWsFb07 ... 22&f=false
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Re: Elie Wiesel's call to hate

Postby Zulu » 3 years 10 months ago (Fri Dec 06, 2013 2:37 pm)

Reviso wrote:In that article, he went on to explain why Jews are not inclined to hate and why they did not engage in acts of vengeance against the Germans."

On that topic, a book must be noticed "Germany Must Perish!", a 104-page pamphlet written by Theodore Newman Kaufman and published in the summer of 1941. (Download at https://archive.org/details/GermanyMustPerish_479)

See related IHR's article
The Book that Hitler Fears
Germany Must Perish!


kaufman.jpg

Introductory Note
by Mark Weber

Theodore N. Kaufman, the author of Germany Must Perish, was a Manhattan-born Jewish businessman who was also chairman of a group that called itself the "American Federation for Peace." The first edition of this slim volume was published in 1940 or early 1941. A second, 96-page edition, which sold for 25 cents, was published in 1941 by Argyle Press of Newark, New Jersey. Both editions were issued when the United States was still officially neutral, that is, before the Pearl Harbor attack of December 7, 1941, that brought the U.S. openly into World War II.

Kaufman's fervent proposal for the systematic sterilization of the entire German population was given respectful attention in the American press, including reviews in a number of newspapers. A review in the weekly Time magazine, March 24, 1941, called Kaufman's plan a "sensational idea."

Germany's propaganda chief, Joseph Goebbels, seized with delight on the book. "This Jew [Kaufman] has done a disservice to the enemy," Goebbels privately commented. "If he had composed the book at my behest he couldn't have done a better job."

At his direction the German press played up Kaufman's call for genocide. A front page article about the book in the Berlin daily Der Angriff, July 23, 1941, appeared under headlines that called it a "Diabolical Plan for the Extermination of the German People" and a work of "Old Testament Hatred." Extracts also appeared, for example, in the nationally-circulated weekly paper Das Reich, August 3, 1941.

A plan similar to Kaufman's was issued during the war years by a prominent American anthropologist. In an article headlined "Breed War Strain Out of Germans" in the New York daily newspaper P.M., January 4, 1943, Ernest Hooton laid out an "outbreeding" plan that would "destroy German nationalism and aggressive ideology while retaining and perpetuating desirable German biological and sociological capacities." (See also: Benjamin Colby, ‘Twas a Famous Victory, 1974, p. 131.)

The Harvard University professor's proposal called for genetically transforming the German nation by encouraging mating of German women with non-German men, who would be brought into the country in large numbers, and of German men, forcibly held outside of Germany, with non-German women. Ten to twelve million German men would be assigned to forced labor under Allied supervision in countries outside of Germany to rebuild their economies. "The objects of this measure," wrote Dr. Hooton, "include reduction of the birthrate of 'pure' Germans, neutralization of German aggressiveness by outbreeding and denationalization of indoctrinated individuals."

This plan, Hooton estimated, would require at least 20 years to be implemented. "During this period," he went on, "encourage also the immigration and settlement in the German states of non-German nationals, especially males."

In the decades since the end of World War II, something of the spirit of the genocidal Kaufman and Hooton plans seems manifest in Germany's population and immigration policies. Since the nation's defeat in 1945, the German birth rate has fallen to below the replacement level, millions of racially and culturally alien migrants have been welcomed as settlers in Germany, the number of children of mixed ethnicity has sharply increased, and the ethnic-cultural character of much of the country has been drastically altered, especially in the larger cities.

http://www.ihr.org/books/kaufman/perish.html
The full article can be downloaded in pdf at https://archive.org/details/GermanyMustPerish

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Re: Elie Wiesel's call to hate

Postby TheBlackRabbitofInlé » 3 years 10 months ago (Fri Dec 06, 2013 3:11 pm)

You can read the full article from Commentary magazine here:
http://winstonsmithministryoftruth.blog ... atred.html
Nazis tried to create super-soldiers, using steroids ... they sought to reanimate the dead—coffins of famous Germanic warriors were found hidden in a mine, with plans to bring them back to life at the war’s end.
- Prof. Noah Charney

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Re: Elie Wiesel's call to hate

Postby Reviso » 3 years 10 months ago (Sat Dec 07, 2013 2:03 am)

TheBlackRabbitofInlé wrote:You can read the full article from Commentary magazine here:
http://winstonsmithministryoftruth.blog ... atred.html


Thanks. It is perfectly clear, so.
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