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Holocaust Scientists and Eugenics Exhibit

Postby Callahan » 8 years 3 weeks ago (Thu Aug 30, 2012 6:14 am)

A traveling US Holocaust Memorial Museum exhibit tells of the sinister sequence of events leading up to Germany's extermination plan with a particular focus on one important aspect: the infamously evil scientists and doctors:

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/exhibit- ... -holocaust
NEW ORLEANS (AP) — A National World War II Museum exhibit about the role scientists and doctors played in the Holocaust includes a drawing copied from a brochure.

It shows a young, blindfolded couple at the edge of a jagged precipice. The German-language text says, "Don't go blindly into marriage!"

The image is in a section of the display about mainstream ideas from which Adolf Hitler's twisted policies grew.

Dr. Benjamin Sachs, dean of the Tulane University School of Medicine, said the exhibit shows "there was a slippery path toward the extermination program" and holds important lessons for today.

The traveling U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum exhibit, "Deadly Medicine: Creating the Master Race," will be at the New Orleans museum through mid-October. Tulane plans a series of related lectures.


The exhibit adheres to a secondary theme centered around Germany's sterilization policies leading up to the war:

Among the topics covered in the exhibit is eugenics, the concept that medicine and social programs were letting "unfit" people reproduce to humanity's detriment.

In the turbulent Europe of the 1920s and '30s, a movement spread in many countries that mentally ill or handicapped people, alcoholics and others with disabilities should be sterilized. People considered healthy and intelligent were encouraged to have large families, the base of what the Nazis framed as the creation of a master race.

A Nazi-era image in exhibit — used in schoolbooks and educational displays at the time — shows a young blond man bowed under the combined weight of a scrawny man with a flask in his pocket and a thuggish-looking man who may have been meant to represent the disabled. The caption reads, "You Are Sharing the Load! A hereditarily ill person costs 50,000 reichsmarks on average up to the age of sixty."

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The Nazis enacted a forced-sterilization law in 1933.


No Holo-exhibit would be complete without a 'gassing' reference:

The movie footage includes film of German scientists using calipers to measure faces and bodies and of early experiments with gassing. In the latter footage, emaciated German psychiatric patients are made to undress, then are led into a sealed building into which auto exhaust is piped.


A video presentation and overview of the exhibit is available on the USHMM website:

http://www.ushmm.org/museum/exhibit/onl ... ymedicine/

The mobile showcase continues it's tour this October in South Dakota.

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Re: Holocaust Scientists and Eugenics Exhibit

Postby Mkk » 8 years 3 weeks ago (Thu Aug 30, 2012 9:14 am)

The holohoaxers keep trying to put perfectly legal and normal acts of sterilization and euthanasia of the incurably sick into preludes to the "holocaust" and great crimes in their own right. Especially euthanasia has taken on a horror of it's own in the public's mind.

A few comments:

-"Don't go blindly into marriage" - what does this have to do with the eeevvviiiil Nazis? Surely it's good advice.

-"Important lessons for today" - what exactely?

-On sterilization- What is wrong with sterilization? Say what you want, but I consider it highly immoral to allow genetically disabled people to create children. It is just mean to the child, and bad for society who has to support them. That's just IMO.

They keep trying to make every single thing the Nazis did sinister, even though forced sterilizations were carried out in other countries like America, and I see nothing morally objectionable about them anyway.

On sterilization and Medicaid, whatever that is, I am British and thus don't know or agree with the non-free healthcare of America, and in any case would not support the sterilization of healthy non-disabled people who can't afford insurance.

-"master race" - this is a mis-translation of the German word "herrenvolk"

"millions of Jews" - what happened to 6 million?

"estimated 200,000" actually the figure is just over 70,000.

"5000 children" - Oh they're really pulling on the heartstrings now. What would the exhibition prefer, that disabled children be made to continue their whole lives in pain and suffering, in mental institutes which could barely care for them? Strange how you never hear the other side of the moral argument.
"Truth is hate for those who hate the truth"- Auchwitz lies, p.13

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Re: Holocaust Scientists and Eugenics Exhibit

Postby Callahan » 8 years 3 weeks ago (Thu Aug 30, 2012 4:34 pm)

Mkk wrote:"estimated 200,000" actually the figure is just over 70,000.

"5000 children" - Oh they're really pulling on the heartstrings now. What would the exhibition prefer, that disabled children be made to continue their whole lives in pain and suffering, in mental institutes which could barely care for them? Strange how you never hear the other side of the moral argument.

I do agree with the article's stance that these policies were inhumane. Did the parents of these children have a say as to whether or not they lived? How crazy/incapacitated did these 70,000+ people have to be before they were 'overdosed' or 'starved'? It's fair to acknowledge that many countries, including the US, have had laws that are far below the modern standards of morality but these claims, if accurate, certainly fall within that category. Have any other developed countries enacted such policies?

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Re: Holocaust Scientists and Eugenics Exhibit

Postby Mkk » 8 years 3 weeks ago (Fri Aug 31, 2012 5:45 am)

Callahan,

Have any other developed countries enacted such policies?

Yes, currently the three Benelux countries of Holland, Belgium and Luxembourg allow euthanasia. Many people from other countries, including Britain, who want to be given a mercy death but aren't allowed to be assisted under that countries laws, have traveled to these countries. Passive euthanasia is also legal in Switzerland and 3 U.S states.

Anyway, I'm just trying to point out that the Germans only wanted to help the disabled people by putting an end to what was perceived as their suffering. Yes the program may have been badly handled at certain points but there was nothing "evil" about it. When the mass media, and this exhibit, talks about this programme euthanasia, they classify it as a evil programme of "systematic murder", trying to make it look like a precursor to the big H when it was nothing of the sort.
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Re: Holocaust Scientists and Eugenics Exhibit

Postby SKcz » 8 years 3 weeks ago (Fri Aug 31, 2012 6:10 am)

The movie footage includes film of German scientists using calipers to measure faces and bodies and of early experiments with gassing. In the latter footage, emaciated German psychiatric patients are made to undress, then are led into a sealed building into which auto exhaust is piped.


Where exactly can I see this footage?

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Re: Holocaust Scientists and Eugenics Exhibit

Postby Hektor » 8 years 3 weeks ago (Fri Aug 31, 2012 1:49 pm)

Callahan wrote:...
I do agree with the article's stance that these policies were inhumane. Did the parents of these children have a say as to whether or not they lived? How crazy/incapacitated did these 70,000+ people have to be before they were 'overdosed' or 'starved'? It's fair to acknowledge that many countries, including the US, have had laws that are far below the modern standards of morality but these claims, if accurate, certainly fall within that category. Have any other developed countries enacted such policies?

Actually, from the governmental site, signed by Hitler, this was just an extension of the decision-making of some medical doctors:
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Bear in mind the date and I think this indicates that getting space for wounded soldiers may have been another motive for this extension of authority.

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Re: Holocaust Scientists and Eugenics Exhibit

Postby Balsamo » 8 years 2 weeks ago (Mon Sep 03, 2012 7:59 pm)

Yes, currently the three Benelux countries of Holland, Belgium and Luxembourg allow euthanasia.


Indeed, and that is a very good thing. The only difference with national socialist Germany is that it has to be requested by the patient in full possession of his mind and agreed by two doctors who have to certified that the patient is uncurable.
It is quite a different matter when bureaucrates from the States administration (National socialist or else) are the only to take the decision - wether the patient like it or not- !
Just an opinion

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Re: Holocaust Scientists and Eugenics Exhibit

Postby Hektor » 8 years 2 weeks ago (Tue Sep 04, 2012 2:05 am)

Balsamo wrote:
Yes, currently the three Benelux countries of Holland, Belgium and Luxembourg allow euthanasia.


Indeed, and that is a very good thing. The only difference with national socialist Germany is that it has to be requested by the patient in full possession of his mind and agreed by two doctors who have to certified that the patient is uncurable.
It is quite a different matter when bureaucrates from the States administration (National socialist or else) are the only to take the decision - wether the patient like it or not- !
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From the document above you can learn that Euthanasia decisions weren't done by bureaucrats either, but by medical doctors.
So the only difference is the mental condition of the patients.

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Re: Holocaust Scientists and Eugenics Exhibit

Postby Balsamo » 8 years 2 weeks ago (Thu Sep 06, 2012 2:09 pm)

No, you don't get it.
In Belgium, the law gives the right to a uncurable person suffering to decide to end his life in a human manner.
No doctors, state agent, can order you to end your life.
Quite the opposite of the "human law" of the third Reich.

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Re: Holocaust Scientists and Eugenics Exhibit

Postby Hannover » 8 years 2 weeks ago (Thu Sep 06, 2012 2:32 pm)

The T4 / euthanasia canard and the attempted tie-in with the absurd 'holocaust' gassings is easily shot down.

'T4 euthanasia gassing?'
viewtopic.php?t=1129

'Hartheim'
viewtopic.php?t=533'

'Should revisionists be more sceptical of the T4 program?'
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=4713&p=31934

http://juergen-graf.vho.org/articles/hu ... ebate.html

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