An extremely intense and interesting discussion is occurring on the Skeptic Forum at: http://www.skepticforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=39&t=18857&start=80. I have tried several times using different names to get on board and participate in the discussion--but I have been blocked. Some time ago when I challenged Michael Shermer who seems to be connected with that forum to debate me on the Deanna Spingola Show, he refused. The subject of the current debate on their forum centers on something I wrote on my website as follows:
Carbon monoxide was supposedly used to murder two million Jews in Treblinka, Belzec and Sobibor and elsewhere—more than twice as many as were supposedly killed with cyanide from Zyklon-B . So, where were the piles or pits of bright Cherry RED corpses? Corpses of CO poisoning are well known to be bright Cherry RED with only rare exceptions. But the supposed “eyewitnesses” never, ever, even mentioned such unforgettable spectacles. On the contrary, they insisted that the bodies were either “blue” (Kurt Gerstein, for example) or “unremarkable.” There is one exception, however, and that is a doctor Kurt Leidig who claimed to have seen an experimental gassing of Russians in a gas van at Sachsenhausen resulting in red corpses. He was smart enough to know, obviously, that any forensic doctor could not possibly have been so stupid as to claim the corpses were anything but red.
The image above is probably the best of many available today showing what corpses from cyanide and carbon monoxide poisoning look like. It is also used in the logo for my website. This stunning image is from the Textbook of Maritime Medicine .http://textbook.ncmm.no/medical-challenges-on-board/501-claas-buschmann. "Fig. 10.9.2: Bright red lividity on the dorsal side of the body as the expression of lethal carbon monoxide poisoning. Livor mortis is bright red in cases of carbon monoxide or hydrocyanide poisoning (or in cases where the corpse is kept in cold storage). Carbon monoxide is a colourless and odourless gas that arises, for example, from incomplete fuel combustion. Thus it is always necessary – primarily for self-protection – to consider or exclude carbon monoxide poisoning, particularly when bodies with bright red lividity are found in engine rooms, after engine room fires (automatic carbon dioxide fire extinguishing system!) or in boiler houses."
Piles of corpses have been misused to condemn Germany—but, it has NEVER been claimed in any western trials (except possibly for the Leidig testimony) that any of the corpses were RED in color. So, what about all those “eyewitnesses” to alleged mass gassings of millions of Jews with carbon monoxide (from diesel or gasoline engines) in the Aktion Reinhardt camps (Treblinka, Belzec and Sobibor) and even Chelmno? What about those piles, even mountains, of naked corpses that countless people were supposedly able to see? Wouldn't the “eyewitnesses” have noticed that spectacular coloring? Of course, they would have been stunned. They would have remembered it years later for any of the countless, anti-Nazi war crimes trials if they were not simply lying. What they “remembered” at best were simply the black-and-white photographs that we are all programmed to remember. Readers should confirm for themselves the dramatic coloring by Google-searching on the internet for “images” linked to “cherry red lividity.” Were all of the “eyewitnesses” color-blind? Of course, not! They were simply telling whatever came into their heads, even the clumsiest of lies, to support the hoax and completely exonerate themselves, if possible. They knew what was expected of them. Although the reference materials of that era made it clear (text without color photos) that corpses from cyanide or carbon monoxide poisoning would be “cherry red,” that had no effect in the countless, farcical trials of NS era defendants. What mattered was that the hoax be embedded on paper and that the Germans as a people be guilty forever. It was like “original sin”with an anti-German twist. Nonetheless, those clumsy lies also carried within them the time bombs for the hoax's total destruction today. The victorious Allies, and especially the Jews with their age-old traditions of hate and mass murder and lying, have convicted themselves instead. They were and still are the real monsters, the natural-born killers, the genocidal maniacs, aliens from another world of lies and hatred for everything that is not Jewish. For the rest—for the depraved victors of WW2—holocaust propaganda is merely a less violent continuation of their own racist wars against those hardworking and uppity Germans.
Perhaps some people from this forum would care to join in and help liven things up. For the hoaxers, the subject is an existential one.
The following quote is from: American Journal of Public Health, March 1952, page 262.
In a-l-l of the fatalities from acute
carbon monoxide poisoning in which the
victim was found dead at the scene, a
conspicuous finding was the characteristic
pink or cherry red post-mortem
lividity of carboxyhemoglobin in the
skin of the dependent portions of the
body. These suggillations are readily
distinguishable, because of their color,
from ordinary post-mortem lividity.
The following quote is from: D.A.L. Bowen "Medical Investigations in Cases of Sudden Death," British Medical Journal, 1 April 1967, page 35:
The possibility of poisoning must be considered when apparently healthy persons are found dead at home without signs of injury. Carbon monoxide poisoning may be diagnosed easily, because its inhalation in lethal quantities produces a characteristic cherry red coloration in the areas of hypostasis. A similar reddish hue is seen in cases of cyanide poisoning.
The following quote is from: "Poisonous Gases in Submarines," The British Medical Journal, May 1, 1915, page 769.
The symptoms of poisoning by CO in most cases may be said to be quite sudden unconsciousness without any preliminary manifestations, because, as a rule, the victim is suddenly exposed to a somewhat concentrated gas; the
chief point about this unconsciousness is that the victim retains an exceptionally bright colour, due to the fact that
COHb has a bright cherry-red tint, which, when seen through the skin, merely strikes the observer as a high
colour. Unless aid is speedily rendered, this unconsciousness is verv rapidly followed by death---so rapidly, indeed,
that sudden unconsciousness and death constitute practically the whole picture. The records of cases of more
gradual poisoning come chiefly from explorers in coal mines after an explosion who have met with the gas as
the principal part of " after-damp." In these cases the symptoms described are those mainly of buzzing in the
head and throbbing in the neck, coupled with the very important symptom of great muscular weakness (preventing
or hindering escape), mental activity with confusion, and difficulty of connected attention. This stage
may last, perhaps, a few minutes, during which the weakness increases, and then, if nothing is done, insensibility
supervenes as in the sudden cases. In the air that is being respired a percentage of 0.17 is highly dangerous,
and of 1 almost inevitably fatal.
The essential treatment is removal to fresh air (this at times seems for a moment to increase the symptoms),
where artificial respiration should be performed. Strychnine hypodermically, or oxygen inhalations with a mask,
should be tried in addition; the trouble is that COHb is a very stable compound dissociated with difficulty.”
The victim described above in the highlighted text is still alive but unconscious and has a "bright colour"--but still not cherry red.
Friedrich Paul Berg
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