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Re: The most important Photograph / corpse color

Postby hermod » 4 years 6 months ago (Fri Nov 28, 2014 10:47 am)

A good example of chronic poisoning by CO is the case of smokers. Smokers have constantly low levels of carboxyhemoglobin (i.e. hemoglobin + CO) in their blood, levels not high enough to kill them by acute poisoning but high enough to kill them earlier than non-smokers by chronic poisoning because (among other things) their heart has to pump more blood to deliver sufficient amounts of oxygen to their organs. That disproves Nessie's argument claiming that "chronic poisoning = red" and "acute poisoning = not red". Smokers (always killed by chronic poisoning, never by acute poisoning) never turn red because their level of carboxyhemoglobin is too low and never reaches the appropriate level for a red discoloration.

Werd wrote:
"Apparently, Nessie corrected me on a misunderstanding. I should not be using acute as synonymous with a short amount of time to die and chornic as synonymous with a long amount of time to die. That is because even if someone takes a long time to die from too much COppm and COHb, they are still jumping out of chronic into acute as per this diagram."

You were right about the time thing, werd. Depends on your definition of "a short amount of time to die". 20 minutes, 1 hour or even 20 hours are all forms of acute poisoning. They are all short amounts of time to die. Chronic poisonings with CO (and other poisons) are on time scales of years or decades, with delayed effects. In debates about homicidal gas chambers, one should talk about "more acute" or "less acute" poisonings, not about chronic poisonings. The term "chronic poisoning" makes no sense in debates about gas chambers, except maybe for Sonderkommando guys developing a gas-induced cancer 50 years after the end of WW2. ... fects.html

Acute poisoning is exposure to a poison on one occasion or during a short period of time. Symptoms develop in close relation to the exposure. [...]

Chronic poisoning is long-term repeated or continuous exposure to a poison where symptoms do not occur immediately or after each exposure. The patient gradually becomes ill, or becomes ill after a long latent period.

The term chronic poisoning refers to toxicity that develops during repeated or continuous exposure to a substance over many months or years. ... 557-1167-3
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