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Eichmann's diaries - even more absurdities

Postby Hannover » 1 decade 6 years ago (Wed Dec 10, 2003 3:07 am)

on Eichmann's diaries

Charles M. Sennott, Boston Globe, March 1, 2000, included this little tid-bit of information:
"From this self-absorbed focus on his own death he shifted easily to explaining in graphic detail how, in the death camps, ' ''round cotton wool filters were soaked with this poison and thrown into the rooms where the Jews were assembled. The poison was instantly fatal.''

In the New York Times we had:

"There was also concerns about the impact of publication on perceptions of the Holocaust. An Israel panel decided to release last summer the memoirs, but in annotated scholarly edition that, it was hoped, would put Eichmann's assertions in perspective and prevent their use to discredit the verdict" [of his trial].

This latest revelation citing Eichmann's account of the poison being 'soaked into wool fibers' would be one of those things that would have to be put "in perspective" since we all know that Zyklon-B was supposed to have been in the form of fumigation pellets and not some liquid as Eichmann's account states.

The original German, on page 235, reads:

Hoess, der Kommandant sagte mir, daß er mit Blausäure, töte. Runde Pappfilze waren mit diesem Giftstoff getränkt und wurden in die Räume geworfen, worin die Juden versammelt wurden. Dieses Gift wirkte sofort tötlich.

translation:

"Hoess, the Kommandant, told me that he used **sulphuric acid** to kill. Round cotton wool filters were soaked with this poison and thrown into the rooms where the Jews were assembled. The poison was instantly fatal.

But according to the marketed 'official' version of the story the translation should have been:
The commandant, Hoess, told me that he used **prussic acid** to kill. Round wood-fibre discs were impregnated with this poison, and then thrown into the spaces where the Jews were gathered. The poison killed immediately.

In other words, Eichmann is just repeating what he said earlier, about wooden Zyklon discoids being used at Auschwitz. The problem is, everyone from the sanitation officers on up claim that the insecticide, Zyklon-B, was a gypsum composite. And of course, survivors all insist it was "crystals" of various hues, blue, green, mauve, take your pick.

So in other words, Eichmann's testimony here goes against the other 'testimonies' about Zyklon-B at Auschwitz, which themselves contain vast contradictions. It sure is hard keeping the lies straight.

On his alleged pre-arrest 'memoirs', well...these 'memoirs' also have him describing himself as being more of a Zionist than an SS officer, right...sure.

read more from the Forum on Eichmann here:
http://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?t=656
http://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?t=685

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Postby Dan Cullum » 1 decade 6 years ago (Thu Dec 11, 2003 9:02 pm)

Hannover wrote:

On his alleged pre-arrest 'memoirs', well...these 'memoirs' also have him describing himself as being more of a Zionist than an SS officer, right...sure.


I personally have difficulty with his merely following orders alibi.

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Postby Germania » 1 decade 6 years ago (Fri Dec 12, 2003 4:00 pm)

err,sorry,but isnt blausäure prusic acid???

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Postby Hannover » 1 decade 6 years ago (Fri Dec 12, 2003 5:31 pm)

This should clarify matters.

Höss, the Kommandant, told me that he used **sulfuric acid** to kill. Round cotton wool filters were soaked with this poison and thrown into the rooms where the Jews were assembled. The poison was instantly fatal. He burned the corpses on an iron grill....
source:
The Jewish Virtual Library
http://www.us-israel.org/jsource/biography/Hoess.html

and:
In his Prison Memoirs, written by Adolf Eichmann shortly before his execution for crimes against humanity, Eichmann recounts how he was assigned in early 1942 to visit the Auschwitz death camp and report back to superiors on the killing of Jews. Methods were still crude, but represented a gruesome foretaste of the factory-style gas chambers and crematoria that were to follow.

"Hoess, the Kommandant, told me that he used **sulfuric acid** to kill. Round cotton wool filters were soaked with this poison and thrown into the rooms where the Jews were assembled. The poison was instantly fatal. He burned the corpses on an iron grill, in the open air. He led me to a shallow ditch where a large number of corpses had just been burned."
source:
http://www.auschwitz.dk/hoess.htm


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Re: Eichmann's diaries - even more absurdities

Postby Hebden » 1 decade 6 years ago (Fri Dec 12, 2003 7:01 pm)

Hannover wrote:on Eichmann's diaries:

The original German, on page 235, reads:

Hoess, der Kommandant sagte mir, daß er mit Blausäure, töte. Runde Pappfilze waren mit diesem Giftstoff getränkt und wurden in die Räume geworfen, worin die Juden versammelt wurden. Dieses Gift wirkte sofort tötlich.


Page 235 of what? The original diary?! Where does this page reference come from?

We're rather more interested in what Mr. Eichmann wrote, or testified to, about the date of his first trip to Auschwitz to meet Commandant Hoess.

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Postby Hannover » 1 decade 6 years ago (Fri Dec 12, 2003 9:53 pm)

'his prison memoirs' ... according to the quote I gave:
the so called 'The Jewish Virtual Library'
http://www.us-israel.org/jsource/biography/Hoess.html

As an aside, everyone should look at these links, utter nonsensical propaganda. It contains assertions which no one would dare try to debate in favor of at this Forum.
also, again:
http://www.auschwitz.dk/hoess.htm


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Re: Eichmann's diaries - even more absurdities

Postby Germania » 1 decade 6 years ago (Sat Dec 13, 2003 1:42 am)

Hebden wrote:
Page 235 of what? The original diary?! Where does this page reference come from?


from the original paper...

We're rather more interested in what Mr. Eichmann wrote, or testified to, about the date of his first trip to Auschwitz to meet Commandant Hoess.


he writes,höss is telleing untruths,that his visit in auschwitz was in 1942:


Erbärmlich sind die Unwahrheiten, welche Höß über mich nach 1945 aussagte. Aber sie sind als solche, zum Teil durch seine eigenen Aussagen, da er an anderer Stelle, anders berichtete, leicht zu erkennen, macht man sich die Mühe seine Aussagen zu studieren, dazu die Literatur und die Dokumente als Vergleichsmaterial benützend.
So sagte Höß beispielsweise, ich wäre bereits im Juni 1941, kurz nach dem Besuch Himmlers in Auschwitz, bei ihm gewesen, und von mir habe er alle Einzelheiten über die Tötungsmöglichkeiten erfahren. Er spricht, daß ich ihm über das Vergasen mittels Auspuffgase gesprochen habe. Aber daß es eine solche Möglichkeit überhaupt gibt bzw., eine solche in den Köpfen /mehrfach korrigiert, schließlich auf Seite gegenüber verdeutlich: einiger/ SS u. Poliezi enerale schwirtte, erfuhr ich selbst ja zum erstenmal im Spätherbst 1941, als ich bei dem damaligen Generalmajor der Polizei Globocnigg war, der dem General der Polizei und der Waffen SS Krüger, unmittelbar unterstellt gewesen ist. Wenn Höß weiter sagt, daß ich ihm Einzelheiten über die Deportationspläne mitgeteilt hätte; dann kann solches

238-239

allerfrühestens um den 20. 3. 1942 gewesen sein, denn um diese Zeit genehmigte der Staatssekretär Weizsäcker /Schreibung des Namens auf Seite gegenüber verdeutlicht/ im Auswärtigen Amt zum ersten mal Deportationen aus Frankreich. Freilich hatte der deutsche Botschafter in Paris, Abetz, dieserhalb bei Hitler und Himmler, vorgebohrt gehabt; aber davon erfuhr auch ich erst im Spätherbst 1941, zum ersten mal. Der erste Deportationsbefehl aus dem Westen, also aus Frankreich und Belgien und Holland, größere Kontingente betreffend, den Himmler über den Amtchef IV erteilte, lag in meinem Referat erst kurz vor dem Juni 1942 vor.
Höß hatte die ersten Versuchsvergasungen in Auschwitz aber bereits am 23. Sept. 1941 gemacht, wie aus seinen eigenen Aussagen hervorgeht. Als ich zum ersten mal nach Auschwitz kam, lief die Vergasung bereits. Höß verbrannte die Leichen auf Eisenrosten. Und eben darüber was Höß treibt hatte ich Müller ja zu berichten; dies war ja der Grund, warum er mit den Befehl gab, nach Auschwitz zu fahren.
Nach eigener Aussage hatte Höß aber mit dem Verbrennen auf Eisenrosten erst im Sommer 1942 begonnen.
Er erwähnt dann ferner, ich hätte ihm gegenüber von Erschießungen im Osten gesprochen. Solches aber hatte ich

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zum erstenmal im Winter 1941/42 erlebt.
Ich selbst entsinne mich noch, in Auschwitz blühende Blumen in Gärten, gesehen zu haben. Es muß also Hochfrühjahrszeit gewesen sein.
Höß hat sich um ein ganzes Kalenderjahr, bezüglich meines ersten Besuches – gelinde gesagt – geirrt.


by the way,eichman was right on the use of both blausäure and the pappfilze:

"As absorption material paper disks were used"

http://www.holocaust-history.org/works/ ... .en?size=1

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Postby Hannover » 1 decade 6 years ago (Sat Dec 13, 2003 4:35 am)

Germania says:
by the way,eichman was right on the use of both blausäure and the pappfilze:
"As absorption material paper disks were used"

Eichmann was right only in that one could do expermients with cyanide or any chemical using 'paper disks', but that is not the method alleged by other laughable, so called 'eyewitnesses'. It seems Eichmann merely read something akin to what was in the link given by Germania, and voila! ...Eichmann repeats it, a la his absurd use of "Jewish Almanacs"*. What he said makes no sense in relation to the marketed storyline.
* see: http://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?t=656

So, what we have is yet another indictment against the Eichmann 'confessions'. And, the so called Jewish Virtual Library among others say 'sulfuric acid'.

Clearly the tale is out of control.

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Postby Frederik Jensen » 1 decade 2 years ago (Tue Jul 03, 2007 9:27 am)

The eyewitnesses used to all have their own story (and as far as I know they still do). Apart from being meaningless, (pseudo) Eichmanns stories show how much he was a holocaust witness, but the set-up was different than the usual, with the holocaust witness playing the nazi, who admits it all.


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