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They found it! They found the Hitler order!

Postby Werd » 7 years 3 months ago (Wed Oct 31, 2012 10:49 am)

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/history/worl ... splay.html

Well, so they say. We need to see these four pages of this letter he wrote in 1919, and we need someone to figure out if the German is correct. We also need a cross reference with the signature on that paper with other known signatures of Hitler. We also need to test that paper to see how old it is and how old that signature is. We also need to know the origins of the letter. Who it was addressed to. Where Hitler allegedly wrote it from. Who found this letter, and so on.

Funny how he brings up David Irving who in fact is a lousy revisionist as Mr Berg will attest to and as Mr Alexander Baron has stated. They always mention Irving who has questionable ties and is a possible blackmailed fruitcake as Baron has stated. But they never mention Zundel. A normal heterosexual man who never dealt in fake documents and went on ego trips.

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Re: They found it! They found the Hitler order!

Postby Werd » 7 years 3 months ago (Wed Oct 31, 2012 10:52 am)

This is not the complete article. I have only quoted portions of it.

http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2011/06/0 ... h-removal/


Rabbi Marvin Hier said the letter, written in 1919, is "one of the most important documents in the entire history of the Third Reich."

Wearing white gloves to protect the fragile, yellowing document, Hier, founder and dean of the Wiesenthal Center, pointed out what he considered to be the most significant phrase in the four-page, typed letter - the words "Entfernung der Juden," German for "removal of Jews" - which Hitler wrote must be the government's "final goal."


"In 1919 he wrote this. Twenty-two years later he implemented it as Chancellor of the Third Reich," Hier said. "He removed the Jews altogether."

The Simon Wiesenthal Center, a Jewish human rights organization, purchased the letter from a private dealer for $150,000 and will put it on permanent display in July at the center's Museum of Tolerance in Los Angeles.

Hitler was a 30-year-old veteran of World War I when he wrote the letter on September 16, 1919. At the time, he was working for the propaganda unit of the German army, Hier said. It was Hitler's supervisor, Capt. Karl Mayr, who assigned him the task of articulating the army's position on the Jews for Adolf Gemlich, who was an army spy. (At about the time he wrote the letter, he also attended a meeting of the German Workers' Party to find out more about them, at Mayr's request. Later, it would be the National Socialist Workers' Party, and Hitler would be its chairman.)

The letter, which was written on a German army typewriter, is addressed to Gemlich. It was authenticated in 1988, according to the Wiesenthal Center.

In the letter's English translation provided by the Wiesenthal Center, Hitler identifies Judaism as a race, not a religion, that has been preserved "through a thousands years of inbreeding" and is only concerned with "the pursuit of money and power."

"The result of which is that a non-German race lives among us with its feelings, thoughts and aspirations, while having all the same rights as we do," Hitler wrote.

He warned against anti-Semitism "born of purely emotional ground," which he wrote would only lead to pogroms - referencing the organized mob attacks that targeted Jews in Russia and, later, Germany. Hitler's letter makes clear he had a larger objective in mind. "The final goal must be the removal of Jews," he wrote. "To accomplish these goals, only a government of national power is capable and never a government of national weakness."

Hier said the letter was found in 1945 in the Nazi Archives near Nuremberg by an American soldier, William F. Ziegler, and sold to an historical documents dealer.

It has remained in private hands since then. Hier said a dealer offered him the letter in 1988, but then sold it to another collector before the Wiesenthal Center could verify its authenticity.

When it was offered a second time, Hier said there was no hesitation.

"We knew immediately that the Gemlich letter is absolutely historic. There is nothing like it in the world," he said.

Hier said an unsigned "office copy" of the letter exists in Munich, which scholars have known about, but that the copy now in the hands of the Wiesenthal Center is the only signed copy. It has never been publicly displayed.

Hier said the letter is significant in large part is because there is no known signed order by Hitler for the extermination of the Jews. Instead, it was the No.2 man in the Reich, Hermann Goering, who gave the order in July 1941 to Reinhard Heydrich, the head of the Nazis' security apparatus, to carry out "the final solution of the Jewish question."

"This is the first document and only document of its kind that deals with the Jews exclusively and postulates the solution," Hier said of the Hitler letter.

Whether Hitler had in mind concentration camps and mass extermination at the time is not a question that can be answered by this document, Hier said. "But I can tell you that Hitler in 1919 said we don't want any Jews in the country that I live, and I don't want them removed by corner pogroms. I need them removed by a legal system where the government legally removes them," Hier said. "That is unprecedented." he added.

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Re: They found it! They found the Hitler order!

Postby borjastick » 7 years 3 months ago (Wed Oct 31, 2012 11:21 am)

These boys should be awarded an Olympic Gold Medal for manipulating the truth.

First of all it may not be genuine.

Secondly it was written in 1919 and therefore cannot be the most important document of the third reich as the third reich hadn't even begun.

Thirdly it says absolutely nothing, zero, rien, de nada about the extermination/killing of the jews.

Apart from that, it is clearly not a written intent to destroy/kill/gas/shoot/murder all jews everywhere...
'Of the four million Jews under Nazi control in WW2, six million died and alas only five million survived.'

'We don't need evidence, we have survivors' - israeli politician

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Re: They found it! They found the Hitler order!

Postby Raymond » 7 years 3 months ago (Wed Oct 31, 2012 3:34 pm)

Entfernung simply means removal. I fail to see how this letter is of any significance since nobody disputes that Hitler wanted the Jewish people out Germany. In fact, this letter only serves to help revisionism.

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Re: They found it! They found the Hitler order!

Postby Kingfisher » 7 years 3 months ago (Wed Oct 31, 2012 5:38 pm)

Raymond and borjastick beat me to it.

It's just one more case of something completely consistent with the Revisionist position being falsely presented as confirming "the Holocaust". As soon as Hitler came to power he did what this letter says: began to apply pressure on the Jews to emigrate, to remove them "by a legal system where the government legally removes them".

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Re: They found it! They found the Hitler order!

Postby Hektor » 7 years 3 months ago (Wed Oct 31, 2012 6:56 pm)

Kingfisher wrote:Raymond and borjastick beat me to it.

It's just one more case of something completely consistent with the Revisionist position being falsely presented as confirming "the Holocaust". As soon as Hitler came to power he did what this letter says: began to apply pressure on the Jews to emigrate, to remove them "by a legal system where the government legally removes them".
My thoughts on what that here says, too. "Removal" is exactly what the National Socialist position on Jewry was. Does anyone have the full text?


OK found something:
Gutachten über den Antisemitismus
1919 erstellt im Auftrag seiner militärischen Vorgesetzten
Wenn die Gefahr die das Judentum für unser Volk heute bildet
seinen Ausdruck findet in einer nicht wegzuleugnenden Abneigung
grosser Teile unseres Volkes, so ist die Ursache dieser Abneigung
meist nicht zu suchen in der klaren Erkenntnis des bewusst oder
unbewusst planmässig verderblichen Wirkens der Juden als Gesamtheit
auf unsere Nation, sondern sie entsteht meist durch den
persönlichen Verkehr, unter dem Eindruck, den der Jude als
Einzelner zurück lässt und der fast stets ein ungünstiger ist.
Dadurch erhält der Antisemitismus nur zu leicht den Charakter
einer blossen Gefühlserscheinung. Und doch ist dies unrichtig.
Der Antisemitismus als politische Bewegung darf nicht und kann
nicht bestimmt werden durch Momente des Gefühls, sondern durch
die Erkenntnis von Tatsachen. Tatsachen aber sind:

Zunächst ist das Judentum unbedingt eine Rasse und nicht
Religionsgenossenschaft. Und der Jude selbst bezeichnet sich nie
als jüdischen Deutschen, jüdischen Polen oder etwa jüdischen
Amerikaner, sondern stets als deutschen, polnischen oder
amerikanischen Juden. Noch nie hat der Jude von fremden Völkern
in deren Mitte er lebt viel mehr angenommen als die Sprache. Und
so wenig ein Deutscher der in Frankreich gezwungen ist sich der
franz. Sprache zu bedienen, in Italien der italienischen und in
China der chinesischen, dadurch zum Franzosen, Italiener oder gar
Chinesen wird, so wenig kann man einen Juden, der nunmal unter
uns lebt und, dadurch gezwungen, sich der deutschen Sprache
bedient, deshalb einen Deutschen nennen. Und selbst der mosaische
Glaube kann, so gross auch seine Bedeutung für die Erhaltung
dieser Rasse sein mag, nicht als ausschliesslich bestimmend für
die Frage, ob Jude oder Nichtjude gelten. Es gibt kaum eine
Rasse, deren Mitglieder ausnahmslos einer einzigen bestimmten
Religion angehören.

Durch tausendjährige Innzucht, häufig vorgenommen in engstem
Kreise, hat der Jude im allgemeinen seine Rasse und ihre
Eigenarten schärfer bewahrt, als zahlreiche der Völker, unter
denen er lebt. Und damit ergibt sich die Tatsache, daß zwischen
uns eine nichtdeutsche fremde Rasse lebt, nicht gewillt und auch
nicht im Stande, ihre Rasseneigenarten zu opfern, ihr eigenes
Fühlen, Denken und Streben zu verleugnen, und die dennoch
politisch alle Rechte besitzt wie wir selber. Bewegt sich schon
das Gefühl des Juden im rein Materiellen, so noch mehr sein
Denken und Streben. Der Tanz ums goldene Kalb wird zum
erbarmungslosen Kampf um alle jene Güter, die nach unserm inneren
Gefühl nicht die Höchsten und einzig erstrebenswerten auf dieser
Erde sein sollen.

Der Wert des Einzelnen wird nicht mehr bestimmt durch seinen
Charakter, der Bedeutung seiner Leistungen für die Gesamtheit,
sondern ausschließlich durch die Grösse seines Vermögens, durch
sein Geld.

Die Höhe der Nation soll nicht mehr gemessen werden nach der
Summe ihrer sittlichen und geistigen Kräfte, sondern nur mehr
nach dem Reichtum ihrer materiellen Güter.

Aus diesem Fühlen ergibt sich jenes Denken und Streben nach Geld,
und Macht, die dieses schützt, das den Juden skrupellos werden
lässt in der Wahl der Mittel, erbarmungslos in ihrer Verwendung
zu diesem Zweck. Er winselt im autokratisch regierten Staat um
die Gunst der "Majestät" des Fürsten, und missbraucht sie als
Blutegel an seinen Völkern.

Er buhlt in der Demokratie um die Gunst der Masse, kriecht vor
der "Majestät des Volkes" und kennt doch nur die Majestät des
Geldes.

Er zerstört den Charakter des Fürsten durch byzantinische
Schmeichelei, den nationalen Stolz, die Kraft eines Volkes, durch
Spott und schamloses Erziehen zum Laster. Sein Mittel zum Kampf
ist jene öffentliche Meinung, die nie ausgedrückt wird durch die
Presse, wohl aber immer durch sie geführt und gefälscht wird.
Seine Macht ist die Macht des Geldes, das sich in Form des Zinses
in seinen Händen mühe- und endlos vermehrt, und den Völkern
jenes gefährlichste Joch aufzwingt, dass sie seines anfänglichen
goldigen Schimmers wegen so schwer in seinen späteren traurigen
Folgen zu erkennen vermögen. Alles was Menschen zu Höherem
streben lässt, sei es Religion, Sozialismus, Demokratie, es ist
ihm alles nur Mittel zum Zweck, Geld und Herrschgier zu
befriedigen.

Sein Wirken wird in seinen Folgen zur Rassentuberkulose der
Völker.

Und daraus ergibt sich folgendes: Der Antisemitismus aus rein
gefühlsmäßigen Gründen wird seinen letzten Ausdruck finden in der
Form von Progromen. Der Antisemitismus der Vernunft jedoch muss
führen zur planmässigen gesetzlichen Bekämpfung und Beseitigung
der Vorrechte des Juden die er zum Unterschied der anderen
zwischen uns lebenden Fremden besitzt. (Fremdengesetzgebung).
Sein letztes Ziel aber muss unverrückbar die Entfernung der Juden
überhaupt sein. Zu Beidem ist nur fähig eine Regierung nationaler
Kraft und niemals eine Regierung nationaler Ohnmacht.

Die Republik in Deutschland verdankt ihre Geburt nicht dem
einheitlichen nationalen Willen unseres Volkes, sondern der
schlauen Verwertung einer Reihe von Umständen, die man
zusammengefasst sich in tiefer allgemeiner Unzufriedenheit
äusserten. Diese Umstände jedoch waren unabhängig von der
Staatsform und sind auch heute noch wirksam. Ja mehr noch als
früher. So erkennt denn auch schon ein grosser Teil unseres
Volkes, dass nicht die geänderte Staatsform als solche unsere
Lage zu ändern und bessern vermag sondern nur eine Wiedergeburt
der sittlichen und geistigen Kräfte der Nation.

Und diese Wiedergeburt wird nicht in die Wege geleitet durch eine
Staatsführung unverantwortlicher Majoritäten unter dem Einfluss
bestimmter Parteidogmen, einer unverantwortlichen Presse, durch
Phrasen und Schlagwörter internationaler Prägung, sondern nur
durch rücksichtslosen Einsatz nationalgesinnter
Führerpersönlichkeiten mit innerlichem Verantwortungsgefühl.

Diese Tatsache jedoch raubt der Repulbik die innere Unterstützung
der vor allem so nötigen geistigen Kräfte der Nation. Und so sind
die heutigen Führer des Staates gezwungen, sich Unterstützung zu
suchen bei jenen, die ausschließlich Nutzen aus der Neubildung
der deutschen Verhältnisse zogen und ziehen, und die aus diesem
Grunde ja auch die treibenden Kräfte der Revolution waren, den
Juden. Ohne Rücksicht auf die auch von den heutigen Führern
sicher erkannte Gefahr des Judentums (Beweis dafür sind
verschiedene Aussprüche derzeitig leitender Persönlichkeiten)
sind sie gezwungen, die ihnen zum eigenen Vorteil von den Juden
bereitwillig gewährte Unterstützung anzunehmen, und damit auch
die geforderte Gegenleistung zu bringen. Und dieser Gegendienst
besteht nicht nur in jeder möglichen Förderung des Judentums
überhaupt, sondern vor allem in der Verhinderung des Kampfes des
betrogenen Volkes gegen seine Betrüger, in der Unterbindung der
antisemitischen Bewegung.

Mit vorzüglicher Hochachtung
Adolf Hitler.

www.ns-archiv[dot]de/verfolgung/antisemitismus/hitler/gutachten.php

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Re: They found it! They found the Hitler order!

Postby Jerzy Ulicki-Rek » 7 years 3 months ago (Wed Oct 31, 2012 10:43 pm)

What a farce :)
Holo-industry is getting desperate.

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Re: They found it! They found the Hitler order!

Postby Hektor » 7 years 3 months ago (Thu Nov 01, 2012 6:22 am)

Jerzy Ulicki-Rek wrote:What a farce :)
Holo-industry is getting desperate.
...
As long as they spit out information, it is fine with me.

While I got the text, I'd like to see the transcripts still.

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Re: They found it! They found the Hitler order!

Postby ClaudiaRothenbach » 7 years 3 months ago (Thu Nov 01, 2012 12:32 pm)

The document is well known, the content isnothing remarkable.

Adolf Hitlers view upon the jews and zionist changed during 1WW.
Before the war he worked together quite well with jewish gallerists in Vienna that sold his paintings and postcards.
During the war he realized the influence of the Jewish FED upon the british and french governments, the Jewish media in UK and USA, the Balfour declaration, the german and russian Jewish Bolshevics and all the other Jewish activities against Germany.

His new attitude based upon the anti-germanic crimes of the Zionists against his nation is documented quite well.
Hitlers narration about the origin of his anti-judaism in Vienna does not correspont with reality.
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Re: They found it! They found the Hitler order!

Postby Hannover » 7 years 3 months ago (Thu Nov 01, 2012 3:24 pm)

I've actually met & talked with rabbi Marvin Hier, an intellectually challenged man to say the least. He also exhibits all the signs of someone with a neurological disorder, twitches & ticks, etc. Apparently it doesn't take much to be a rabbi these days. For him to make such exalted and desperate claims about a piece of paper which indicates Hitler's desire to kick out Jews is further proof of his mental deficiencies

Hitler wanted Jews out of Germany? Shocking I say!

Thanks Marv, for such previously unknown information.

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Re: They found it! They found the Hitler order!

Postby Hektor » 7 years 3 months ago (Thu Nov 01, 2012 6:34 pm)

ClaudiaRothenbach wrote:The document is well known, the content isnothing remarkable.

Adolf Hitlers view upon the jews and zionist changed during 1WW.
Before the war he worked together quite well with jewish gallerists in Vienna that sold his paintings and postcards.
During the war he realized the influence of the Jewish FED upon the british and french governments, the Jewish media in UK and USA, the Balfour declaration, the german and russian Jewish Bolshevics and all the other Jewish activities against Germany.....

Wasn't the Hitler's house doctor Jewish as well.

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Postby TheBlackRabbitofInlé » 7 years 3 months ago (Sat Nov 03, 2012 4:23 pm)

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It's quoted from on a display at the Belzec museum (opened June 2004), although their translation appears to be contestable.
Nazis tried to create super-soldiers, using steroids ... they sought to reanimate the dead—coffins of famous Germanic warriors were found hidden in a mine, with plans to bring them back to life at the war’s end.
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Postby Hannover » 7 years 3 months ago (Sat Nov 03, 2012 7:04 pm)

Curious how the word "destruction" is claimed to be the translation for the German words for 'removal & 'up rooting'. Under Weimar laws at the time, Hitler would have been arrested for calling for the Jews physical 'destruction'. He wasn't arrested for such statements. The Weimar government was no friend to Hitler ... or the German people for that matter.

Not sure about the 'Mein Kampf' alleged translation. But then, it would appear that all racial / ethnic groups are striving for 'domination'. Just ask the Israeli, apartheid-Jewish supremacists. They know all about it.

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Re: They found it! They found the Hitler order!

Postby TheBlackRabbitofInlé » 7 years 3 months ago (Sat Nov 03, 2012 8:31 pm)

Hannover wrote: Not sure about the 'Mein Kampf' alleged translation. But then, it would appear that all racial / ethnic groups are striving for 'domination'. Just ask the Israeli, apartheid-Jewish supremacists. They know all about it.


As Tears for Fears sang: "Everybody wants to rule the world"

"In saying "Israel's object and mission is peace" I am far from thinking that we, as a people, have not a great moral and, eventually, a physical struggle before us before the dawn of that immense day when in reality Israel will rule the world, and God's name be acknowledged by the other nations as one.

- Sir Moses Jacob Ezekiel (1844 — 1917) fraternal brother of B'nai B'rith. July 13th, 1889
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In the golden age of mankind, which was not in the remote past, as we are told by Grecian myths, but which, rather, will be in the future, or, to use Biblical language, in the Messianic time coming, Jewish ideas will have conquered the world and will rule it.

- Rabbi Bernard Felsenthal (1822 - 1908) Vice-president of the Federation of American Zionists. 1881
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From his (Benjamin Disraeli) unique position he could say what no other Jew dared whisper, that the Semite must conquer the world, that the Jew must master humanity before it could attain to the higher flights of civilization ;

- Jacob De Hass, Zionist, 1902
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I am the Lord who created heaven and earth. I will increase your numbers and multiply you very much. Kings will come from you, and they will rule wherever mankind has set foot. I will give your descendants all of the land that is beneath the sky. They will rule over all nations just as they wish. Afterwards, they will gain the entire earth, and they will possess it forever.

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Re: They found it! They found the Hitler order!

Postby Breker » 7 years 3 months ago (Sat Nov 03, 2012 9:57 pm)

Black Rabbit, your previous posts speaks truth to Voltaire's statement:
To learn who rules over you, simply find out whom you are not allowed to criticize.

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