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'Sonderkommando revolt' at Auschwitz debunked

Postby Hannover » 4 years 9 months ago (Mon Dec 17, 2012 3:30 pm)

It's become blatantly obvious that Jewish supremacists largely manufactured the heroics of Jews in the labor camps. The tale about a 'Sonderkommando revolt' at Auschwitz is a classic example. Here's a quote which rains on the 'heroic' Jews' propaganda parade.

This document is important also in another aspect, which perhaps explains the fact that it was “forgotten” for so many years. The only mass escape of Auschwitz crematoria staff mentioned by Holocaust historiography is supposed to have taken place in connection with the alleged “revolt of the Sonderkommando” of 7 October 1944. The only date to appear in the document in question is, however, 7 September 1944. The document, moreover, speaks of an escape, not of a revolt, which, among other things, is claimed to have led to deaths among the SS personnel – but in our ”escape report” there is no mention of any such deaths.

The one single document that is cited in confirmation of the alleged revolt, Standortbefehl (garrison order) No. 26/44 of 12 October 1944, states:

True to their oath to the Führer, there fell before the enemy in their line of duty, on Saturday 7.10.44 [«In Ausübung ihres Dienstes fielen vor dem Feind getreu ihrem Eid auf den Führer am Sonnabend, dem [sic] 7.10.44»]

This is followed by the names of three SS-Unterscharführer: Rudolf Erler, Willi Freese and Josef Purke.[21] It does not mention, however, under which circumstances these three non-commissioned officers died.

To this document is added the fact that, according to the series of reports on the Arbeitseinsatz (work deployment) of the men’s camp in Birkenau, the crematoria staff – called ”Heizer Krematorium I-IV” (firemen crematoria I-IV) and divided into one Kommando per crematorium, with each of those in turn broken down into two shifts, day an night: 57B, 58B, 59B, 60B – consisted of 663 prisoners on 8 October 1944, while on the following day it counted only 212.[22] But the decrease of 451 inmates does not necessarily indicate that they were killed during a revolt. On the other hand, if this alleged revolt had actually occurred on October 7, the decrease in the strength of the Sonderkommando would have been recorded on the following day, not on the 9th. Moreover, according to the sources referred to in footnote 22, from 10 October on, the staff of crematorium IV vanishes from the Arbeitseinsatz reports. The staff of crematorium I, II and V continues to be divided into two shifts, day and night, 33 prisoners each, practically until October 31.[23] The decrease could thus also have been caused by a reduction of the crematoria staff for administrative reasons. With regard to crematorium IV, no known document clarifies its fate.

On 7 September 1944 the crematoria staff consisted of 870 detainees,[24] while on 2 October it was down to 661.[25] If this decrease of 209 prisoners was not the result of the escape of September 7 (with which it is compatible, considering that the Arbeitseinsatz report for this day relates to changes in the work force which had taken place the day before, while the subsequent reports have not been preserved) it could also have been due to administrative reasons.

In conclusion: The fact that such an enormously important event as the alleged ”revolt of the Sonderkommando” is not explicitly mentioned in any German document, starting with those of the Litzmannstadt Gestapo, which in connection with any escape from Auschwitz as a rule always sent out a telegram to all affected offices,[26] is the most disturbing aspect of this story for Holocaust historiography.

Carlo Mattogno
8 March 2010

Liars will continue to lie, attempting to support their previous lies

See the full story here:
'The ”Sonderkommandos” of Auschwitz'
By Carlo Mattogno
http://revblog.codoh.com/2010/07/the-%E ... /#more-984

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Re: 'Sonderkommando revolt' at Auschwitz debunked

Postby Free Speech » 1 week 1 day ago (Sun Oct 08, 2017 1:35 pm)

Just discovered this controversy (because it supposedly happened October 7) and noticed that revisionists have not responded to this:

Report from the local police station Auschwitz on the escape of Sonderkommando prisoners on 7th September [recte: October] 1944.
Telex from Auschwitz to police stations on the escape and shooting of crematoria prisoners on 7th October 1944.
Labour force reports of 9th and 10th October 1944 on the decimation of the crematoria prisoners by 451 people and inactivity of crematorium 4.
Secret camp resistance message on the 7th October 1944 Sonderkommando revolt.
Garrison order on the killing of three SS men on 7th October 1944
Sonderkommando list on the shooting of 460 Sonderkommando prisoners on 7th October 1944
Sonderkommando manuscript on the 7th October 1944 Sonderkommando revolt.

These documents are too troublesome for Holocaust Revisionism as they a) heavily corroborate the testimonial evidence and b) raise the question why the most secured detail in Auschwitz-Birkenau (see also Auschwitz Labour Force Reports as Evidence of Sinister Activity at the Crematoria) attempted a mass escape during daylight invitable resulting into deaths among the prisoners if there was no immediate threat to them. Just don't hold your breath for Revisionists to explain this. They haven't even offered yet any sound explanation why there were up to 903 prisoners employed at the crematoria - mostly idle according to their own hypothesis - in summer 1944 to begin with.

http://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot. ... o.html?m=1

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Re: 'Sonderkommando revolt' at Auschwitz debunked

Postby Hannover » 1 week 1 day ago (Sun Oct 08, 2017 2:31 pm)

Free Speech wrote:Just discovered this controversy (because it supposedly happened October 7) and noticed that revisionists have not responded to this:

Report from the local police station Auschwitz on the escape of Sonderkommando prisoners on 7th September [recte: October] 1944.
Telex from Auschwitz to police stations on the escape and shooting of crematoria prisoners on 7th October 1944.
Labour force reports of 9th and 10th October 1944 on the decimation of the crematoria prisoners by 451 people and inactivity of crematorium 4.
Secret camp resistance message on the 7th October 1944 Sonderkommando revolt.
Garrison order on the killing of three SS men on 7th October 1944
Sonderkommando list on the shooting of 460 Sonderkommando prisoners on 7th October 1944
Sonderkommando manuscript on the 7th October 1944 Sonderkommando revolt.

These documents are too troublesome for Holocaust Revisionism as they a) heavily corroborate the testimonial evidence and b) raise the question why the most secured detail in Auschwitz-Birkenau (see also Auschwitz Labour Force Reports as Evidence of Sinister Activity at the Crematoria) attempted a mass escape during daylight invitable resulting into deaths among the prisoners if there was no immediate threat to them. Just don't hold your breath for Revisionists to explain this. They haven't even offered yet any sound explanation why there were up to 903 prisoners employed at the crematoria - mostly idle according to their own hypothesis - in summer 1944 to begin with.

http://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot. ... o.html?m=1

What documents? I see no German original documents, only alleged English text translations written by anyone to mean whatever they desired.
Try that in a legit court of law.

We do see at the bottom, a scan of a piece paper that looks like some kind of list of something. So what?
The caption says it's a list of those "exterminated", yet there is no proof whatsoever that is true. It's just a list.

Show us the original German documents ... if they really exist.

Cheers, Hannover

We're talking about an alleged '6M Jews & 5M others' ... 11,000,000.
There is not a single verifiable excavated enormous mass grave with contents actually SHOWN, not just claimed, (recall the claim of 900,000 buried at Treblinka, 1,250,000 at Auschwitz, or 250,000 at Sobibor, 34,000 at Babi Yar) even though Jews claim they still exist and claim to know exactly where these alleged enormous mass graves are.
If it can't happen as alleged, then it didn't.

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Re: 'Sonderkommando revolt' at Auschwitz debunked

Postby Free Speech » 1 week 1 day ago (Sun Oct 08, 2017 2:53 pm)

Okay, got off the cellphone, here's the telex:

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Re: 'Sonderkommando revolt' at Auschwitz debunked

Postby Hannover » 1 week 1 day ago (Sun Oct 08, 2017 3:12 pm)

Free Speech wrote:Okay, got off the cellphone, here's the telex:

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Previously you listed a few different alleged 'documents'. How about a line by line translation of this one?

BTW, we know there was staff assistance in the typhus abatement cremation efforts, no big deal about that.

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Re: 'Sonderkommando revolt' at Auschwitz debunked

Postby EtienneSC » 1 week 1 day ago (Sun Oct 08, 2017 4:26 pm)

The transcription and translation are here:
"Betr.: Beabsichtigte Massenflucht der in den hiesigen Krematorien beschäftigten Häftlinge. Am 7.10.44 beabsichtigten die Kommandos der hiesigen Krematorien eine Massenflucht. Durch schnelles und entschlossene Zugreifen der hies. Wachmannschaften konnte dieselbe jedoch vereitelt werden. Der größte Teil dieser Häftlinge wurde auf der Flucht erschossen. Z. Zt. werden noch folgendes Häftlinge vermisst: Rd. Vh. Bv.-Häftling Toepfer, Karl, geb. 20.2.12 zu Mühlhausen eingeliefert am 15.4.44 (Lublin) durch Kripo Erfurt, Tgb. Nr. 4944/42 K.Bv. -2.) Russischer Kriegsgefangener Schenkarenko, Aleksander, geb. 10.10.21 zu Witowzy, eingeliefert an 15.4.44 vom Stalag?, Kenn-Nr. 12766, besondere Kennzeichen: Kurzgeschorene Haare und auf der Brust eintätowierte Nr. 11526. - Transportjude..."

Translation:

"Re: Intended mass escape of the prisoners employed in the local crematoria. On 7 October 1944, the details of the local crematoria attempted a mass escape. However, this was defeated by the fast and resolute action of the local guard details. Most of the prisoners were shot on escape. At present, the following prisoners are still missing: Rd. Vh. Bv. prisoner Töpfer, Karl, born 20 February 1912 in Mühlhausen, admitted in 15 April 1944 (Lublin) by criminal police Erfurt, reference number 4944/42 K.Bv. 2.) Russian POW Schenkarenko, Aleksander, born 10 October 1921 in Witowzy, admitted on 15 April 1944 from Stalag?, ID 12766, special characteristic: close-copped hair and tattooed number 11526 on the breast. - transport Jew..."

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Re: 'Sonderkommando revolt' at Auschwitz debunked

Postby Hannover » 1 week 1 day ago (Sun Oct 08, 2017 4:56 pm)

Thanks, Etienne.

Free Speech did say:
These documents are too troublesome for Holocaust Revisionism as they a) heavily corroborate the testimonial evidence and b) raise the question why the most secured detail in Auschwitz-Birkenau (see also Auschwitz Labour Force Reports as Evidence of Sinister Activity at the Crematoria) attempted a mass escape during daylight invitable resulting into deaths among the prisoners if there was no immediate threat to them. Just don't hold your breath for Revisionists to explain this. They haven't even offered yet any sound explanation why there were up to 903 prisoners employed at the crematoria - mostly idle according to their own hypothesis - in summer 1944 to begin with.
A real yawner. "Troublesome" not the least.

As posted in the OP, Mattogno handles the matter effortlessly.
again:
https://revblog.codoh.com/2010/07/the-% ... /#more-984

Apparently Free Speech failed to actually read it.

Then of course, it is indeed humorous to see attempted "escapes" equated with an alleged major "revolt". :D

And there is the fact that war time would-be escapees would have been / were executed by both sides in WWII.

But this IS the impossible 'holocau$t' where "truth is no defense".

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Re: 'Sonderkommando revolt' at Auschwitz debunked

Postby Hektor » 1 week 16 hours ago (Mon Oct 09, 2017 6:33 am)

Free Speech wrote:....

These documents are too troublesome for Holocaust Revisionism as they a) heavily corroborate the testimonial evidence and b) raise the question why the most secured detail in Auschwitz-Birkenau (see also Auschwitz Labour Force Reports as Evidence of Sinister Activity at the Crematoria) attempted a mass escape during daylight invitable resulting into deaths among the prisoners if there was no immediate threat to them. Just don't hold your breath for Revisionists to explain this. They haven't even offered yet any sound explanation why there were up to 903 prisoners employed at the crematoria - mostly idle according to their own hypothesis - in summer 1944 to begin with.

holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.com/2015/06/the-auschwitz-birkenau-sonderkommando.html?m=1



What's there to explain? How does that contradict the Revisionist Thesis on events?

Some prisoners escaped, they were apprehended or shot. How does this "corroborate" the asserted industrial style homicidal gassings?

Me smells a straw man here.

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Re: 'Sonderkommando revolt' at Auschwitz debunked

Postby Free Speech » 4 days 23 hours ago (Wed Oct 11, 2017 11:55 pm)

Hannover wrote:Thanks, Etienne.

Free Speech did say:
These documents are too troublesome for Holocaust Revisionism as they a) heavily corroborate the testimonial evidence and b) raise the question why the most secured detail in Auschwitz-Birkenau (see also Auschwitz Labour Force Reports as Evidence of Sinister Activity at the Crematoria) attempted a mass escape during daylight invitable resulting into deaths among the prisoners if there was no immediate threat to them. Just don't hold your breath for Revisionists to explain this. They haven't even offered yet any sound explanation why there were up to 903 prisoners employed at the crematoria - mostly idle according to their own hypothesis - in summer 1944 to begin with.
A real yawner. "Troublesome" not the least.

As posted in the OP, Mattogno handles the matter effortlessly.
again:
https://revblog.codoh.com/2010/07/the-% ... /#more-984

Apparently Free Speech failed to actually read it.

Then of course, it is indeed humorous to see attempted "escapes" equated with an alleged major "revolt". :D

And there is the fact that war time would-be escapees would have been / were executed by both sides in WWII.


I did read Mattongno's post Hannover. The police telex is new info, I was wondering what you thought of it. You're saying the revolt was debunked but this telex shows there was a revolt.

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Re: 'Sonderkommando revolt' at Auschwitz debunked

Postby Hannover » 4 days 22 hours ago (Thu Oct 12, 2017 12:49 am)

FS:
What "revolt"?

I suggest you read the translation by Etienne of what you posted:
Translation:

"Re: Intended mass escape of the prisoners employed in the local crematoria. On 7 October 1944, the details of the local crematoria attempted a mass escape. However, this was defeated by the fast and resolute action of the local guard details. Most of the prisoners were shot on escape. At present, the following prisoners are still missing: Rd. Vh. Bv. prisoner Töpfer, Karl, born 20 February 1912 in Mühlhausen, admitted in 15 April 1944 (Lublin) by criminal police Erfurt, reference number 4944/42 K.Bv. 2.) Russian POW Schenkarenko, Aleksander, born 10 October 1921 in Witowzy, admitted on 15 April 1944 from Stalag?, ID 12766, special characteristic: close-copped hair and tattooed number 11526 on the breast. - transport Jew..."

Again, as discussed, we only see legitimately punished escape attempts, I see no "revolt" whatsoever in your posted document.
Mattogno has dealt correctly with the false claim.

Regards, Hannover

Not a single British Bletchley Park intercept of secret German messages to and from Auschwitz and the so called 'death camps' ever mention gas chambers, killing Jews, or anything holocaust-like. There are many which do mention transporting Jews out of these labor camps.
Also note that the outbound train records which were kept have disappeared while the inbound records have not. Who benefits?
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