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Discovered! Iconic photo in Buchenwald is dishonest photo...

Postby Jerzy Ulicki-Rek » 6 years 8 months ago (Wed Dec 19, 2012 11:10 pm)

Discovered! Iconic photo in Buchenwald is dishonest photo-fakery

By Carolyn Yeager

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This is the photograph that Allied Supreme Commander General Dwight David Eisenhower ordered, in April 1945, to be posted in every German town and city 1 to show the defeated population the “true meaning of Nazism

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A blogger, the owner of the Winston Smith Ministry of Truth website who goes by the nickname Black Rabbit, decided a week or so ago, out of curiosity, to order the New York Times newspaper article from May 6, 1945 in which this photo was published, and when it came the photo looked like this:


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Here is page 2 and 3 of the New York Times article (click to show entire page):

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What a shock to see only an empty dark space, and in the New York Times no less!


Continue reading:
http://www.eliewieseltattoo.com/discove ... to-fakery/


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Re: Discovered! Iconic photo in Buchenwald is dishonest phot

Postby Goethe » 6 years 8 months ago (Wed Dec 19, 2012 11:43 pm)

Nice one, Jerzy U.R. And kudos to Carolyn Yeager and Black Rabbit. "Holocaust" fakery can only mean the story is propaganda. Why else would fakery be employed?

At first you don't see him
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now you do, it's magic
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Here's more on Buchenwald fakery. viewtopic.php?f=2&t=5800&p=54208
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Re: Discovered! Iconic photo in Buchenwald is dishonest phot

Postby Jerzy Ulicki-Rek » 6 years 8 months ago (Wed Dec 19, 2012 11:54 pm)

One more interested fact:author of the piece in NYT is talking about the nationality of prisoners in camp:"French,Belgian,Dutch,British,Norwegians,Czech,Russian,Polish as well as German".

What about the jews ? :)


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Re: Discovered! Iconic photo in Buchenwald is dishonest phot

Postby Eric Hunt » 6 years 8 months ago (Thu Dec 20, 2012 12:37 am)

Someone needs to find a microfilm version of this issue, which might be of better quality than this version.
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Re: Discovered! Iconic photo in Buchenwald is dishonest phot

Postby Hektor » 6 years 8 months ago (Thu Dec 20, 2012 1:21 am)

Jerzy Ulicki-Rek wrote:One more interested fact:author of the piece in NYT is talking about the nationality of prisoners in camp:"French,Belgian,Dutch,British,Norwegians,Czech,Russian,Polish as well as German".

What about the jews ? :)

They may not have been listed separately; just country of origin.
The Wiesel is a Hungarian or Romanian Jew, isn't he?

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Re: Discovered! Iconic photo in Buchenwald is dishonest phot

Postby Kladderadatsch » 6 years 8 months ago (Thu Dec 20, 2012 3:03 am)

It's a fascinating discovery, and I too say hats off to Black Rabbit, Further Glory and Carolyn.

That said, and while I agree that the Standing Man image shows clear signs of cut-and-paste fakery, I think that we shouldn't dismiss the possibility that the original NYT image was tampered with as well.

The problem is the contrast between the background darkness and the woodwork of the bunks on one side, and the square pillar on the other. If you look at the high-res (Standing Man) image, the contrast is clear on both sides, with the bunks and pillar standing out about equally well. In the NYT image, however, while the woodwork of the bunks is in high (even overexposed) contrast with the background darkness, the pillar on the right is so dark itself that it all but disappears: no contrast.

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Even if we allow for a slight difference of contrast levels between bunk/background and pillar/background in the high-res image, it's pretty clear that that difference wouldn't be enough to account for the difference in the NYT image. In other words, if the contrast is sharp on the bunk side in the NYT picture, it should be about as sharp on the pillar side as well. Instead, we have the bright woodwork against a black background on the bunk side, and the pillar disappearing into the darkness on the other. Since the pillar clearly was there in the barrack (I think we can trust the high-res image to tell us that much) and exposed to the same light source, the natural conclusion is that in the NYT version it has been deliberately obscured.

In other words, you could just as easily make the case that something (the Standing Man?) was removed from the NYT image, and that the photo manipulator then darkened that side of the print in some way to hide the traces of tampering. After all, if someone had been standing in front of the pillar and you cut his image out, it would be much easier to cover up the hole which that would leave in the picture if you put the pillar in deep darkness.

As for why the paper might have resorted to such a trick, one can only speculate, but assuming (for the sake of argument) that it was indeed the Standing Man that got rubbed out, it seems reasonable that an editor might have worried about how readers would react to seeing a naked "Mussulman" staring out at them from page 2. Later, when other actors in the disinformation/media complex realized the potential propaganda value of such a "shocking" image, that one-time decision could then have been reversed, such that the unretouched (or re-retouched?) image was put back into circulation as we have it today.

Of course it could be objected that excising the figure by the pillar and then darkening the print on that side is a lot of bother when the photo editor could simply have cropped the image. But if you try it, you get a rather truncated image: it looks obviously cut off.

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So rather than spoil the "frame" of the picture, the decision could well have been made to simply eliminate the offending element(s) from it, and then cover up the traces with black.

As I said above, I actually agree that the Standing Man image looks faked. The blurry edging along his left arm seems clear evidence of tampering, and his toes are in line with or even behind the front side of the pillar while his arm and shoulder are in front of it. (Kind of an awkward way to stand, don't you think?) So yes, there's something fishy with that picture too, no doubt about it. I just raise the question of tampering in the NYT version because I know that if I wanted to defend the exterminationist interpetation that's the tack I'd take: I'd say that Standing Man really was there all along, and was blacked out by the NYT out of respect for the sensibilities of its readers. And frankly, I think the evidence for some kind of tampering is indeed there: the difference in contrasts tells the tale.

So how to respond to that argument?
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Re: Discovered! Iconic photo in Buchenwald is dishonest phot

Postby Jerzy Ulicki-Rek » 6 years 8 months ago (Thu Dec 20, 2012 3:23 am)

Hektor wrote:
Jerzy Ulicki-Rek wrote:One more interested fact:author of the piece in NYT is talking about the nationality of prisoners in camp:"French,Belgian,Dutch,British,Norwegians,Czech,Russian,Polish as well as German".

What about the jews ? :)

They may not have been listed separately; just country of origin.
The Wiesel is a Hungarian or Romanian Jew, isn't he?


Yes.But even the ICRC speaks about jews and other NATIONAL groups separately:)

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Re: Discovered! Iconic photo in Buchenwald is dishonest phot

Postby PotPie » 6 years 8 months ago (Thu Dec 20, 2012 12:36 pm)

It's an irrational photo. We have a guy standing there naked while the ones in the bunks have shirts on. So it's not out of bounds to think off-hand that the photograph was either a hoax of some sort... Or the guy standing there is some exhibitionist. Either way, don't expect questions or honesty from the exterminationist crowd. This is a propaganda photo that has been used to manipulate emotional responses out of three consecutive generations of suckers. Why stop now? Pass the human skin lamp shades.

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Re: Discovered! Iconic photo in Buchenwald is dishonest phot

Postby john boner » 6 years 8 months ago (Thu Dec 20, 2012 2:38 pm)

Isnt NYT owned by the Jews? Why were they publishing this photo, were they not in same Hoax with all other?

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Postby Goethe » 6 years 8 months ago (Thu Dec 20, 2012 4:49 pm)

john boner wrote:Isnt NYT owned by the Jews? Why were they publishing this photo, were they not in same Hoax with all other?

What, you think Jews don't make blunders? Look at the "Holocaust", one blunder after the other in which they have been caught. I think you are giving those folks more credit than they deserve.
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Re: Discovered! Iconic photo in Buchenwald is dishonest phot

Postby Eric Hunt » 6 years 8 months ago (Fri Dec 21, 2012 2:07 am)

There are photos of that same guy sitting in the next photo in the series from Buchenwald.

Right now, I don't think it's a forgery. "Posed" - sure.

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This is labeled 203648.

The one with him standing up is 203647-s

Most people who claim "forgery" so quickly have never spent any time in a dark room developing film, forgeries back in the day were and are still very hard to do.

Either he was edited out of the Times photo, or the Times photo is so low quality, he actually is in there, if a higher quality version is accessed.

Someone needs to get a print of the microfilm...
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Postby Zulu » 6 years 8 months ago (Fri Dec 21, 2012 6:33 am)

Eric Hunt wrote:Right now, I don't think it's a forgery. "Posed" - sure.

That' is my opinion. The photo published by the NYT was retouched to be maybe less offensive regarding the exposition of nudity.
However, the genuine photo shows evidences of having been a careful 'mise en scène' by the operator/s. For instance, the shadows don't seem to be resulting from a unique source like the simple flash of a camera as expected. Look the shadow on Gruner, the first people below on the left. The projection of the vertical wooden pillar on his face and neck doesn't come from the camera. It seem that a spotlight had been installed behind the operator and on his left side. However, the shadow of the legs of the guy standing at right doesn't correspond to that light but from a light coming from the right, probably from another spotlight. The exceptional quality of that picture, the general enlightenment, the contrast are not the result of a simple shot of a reporter. The presence of the personage on the right is simply a complement of a good composition like on a old painting. Many photos taken after the liberation of the camps are the result of "mise en scène" like that one for an obvious propaganda purpose.

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Postby Zulu » 6 years 8 months ago (Fri Dec 21, 2012 7:42 am)

Zulu wrote:Many photos taken after the liberation of the camps are the result of "mise en scène" like that one for an obvious propaganda purpose.

As another example I would mention the photo published by the press while the Senator Barkley visited Buchenwald in order to prepare a report on the "Atrocities and other conditions in concentration camps in Germany". This Report was presented to the 79th Congress 1st Session as the Document No.47, May 15 (legislative day, April 16), 1945. The document supports the existence of a homicidal gas chamber at Dachau.

The photo released to the Press during the visit of Senator Barkley at Buchenwald.

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The making off of the photo with the help of former prisoners.

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Postby Kingfisher » 6 years 8 months ago (Fri Dec 21, 2012 9:50 am)

Jerzy Ulicki-Rek wrote:Yes.But even the ICRC speaks about jews and other NATIONAL groups separately:)

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The ICRC working in the East European context, where most of the states were new and multi-ethnic, would see nationality and citizenship or geographical origin as different, whereas Americans would probably only consider the latter.

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Re: Discovered! Iconic photo in Buchenwald is dishonest phot

Postby Reviso » 6 years 8 months ago (Fri Dec 21, 2012 9:56 am)

Zulu wrote:As another example I would mention the photo published by the press while the Senator Barkley visited Buchenwald in order to prepare a report on the "Atrocities and other conditions in concentration camps in Germany". This Report was presented to the 79th Congress 1st Session as the Document No.47, May 15 (legislative day, April 16), 1945. The document supports the existence of a homicidal gas chamber at Dachau.

The photo released to the Press during the visit of Senator Barkley at Buchenwald.

Dachau_Senator_Barkley_Press .jpg


The making off of the photo with the help of former prisoners.

Dachau_Senator_Barkley_Preparation.jpg


Very interesting ! Wherefrom do the photos of the making off come ?
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