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Re: Discovered! Iconic photo in Buchenwald is dishonest phot

Postby Stevia » 6 years 5 months ago (Fri Mar 01, 2013 2:49 pm)

I'll take that as meaning you do believe they are touched up.

Of course a blind man can see that they have been.

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Re: Discovered! Iconic photo in Buchenwald is dishonest phot

Postby Stevia » 6 years 5 months ago (Sun Mar 03, 2013 10:25 am)

Look at the very first post of TheBlackRabbitofInlé on this thread (page 2)

He has the knowledge and ability to isolate and enlarge portions of the photo in question.

Now look at his quote:

This is the kind of thing that plays into the hands of the hoaxers, it allows them to divert attention from the fact this photo was doctored, by asserting that those "Holocaust deniers" claim the strangest things about this photo: this guys eyebrows, this guy's ear, blah blah.


Well TheBlackRabbitofInlé, if you think the hoaxers can prove me wrong, then why don't you do it?

You refuse to answer simple questions and you refuse to debunk something you think the hoaxers can debunk.

Come on TheBlackRabbitofInlé, if you can prove me wrong I will admit that I'm wrong.

Let's see what you've got.

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Re: Discovered! Iconic photo in Buchenwald is dishonest phot

Postby Ilikerealhistory » 6 years 5 months ago (Sun Mar 03, 2013 1:04 pm)

Jerzy Ulicki-Rek wrote:
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This is a staged photo. Most of the guys in the top 2 bunks are Allied soldiers. They are not jews, nor were they prisoners. You will also noted how clean shaven most of them are. Who shaved them? Where did they get the razor blades and shaving soap?

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Re: Discovered! Iconic photo in Buchenwald is dishonest phot

Postby TheBlackRabbitofInlé » 6 years 5 months ago (Sun Mar 03, 2013 8:45 pm)

Stevia wrote:Look at the very first post of TheBlackRabbitofInlé on this thread (page 2)

He has the knowledge and ability to isolate and enlarge portions of the photo in question.

Now look at his quote:

This is the kind of thing that plays into the hands of the hoaxers, it allows them to divert attention from the fact this photo was doctored, by asserting that those "Holocaust deniers" claim the strangest things about this photo: this guys eyebrows, this guy's ear, blah blah.


Well TheBlackRabbitofInlé, if you think the hoaxers can prove me wrong, then why don't you do it?

You refuse to answer simple questions and you refuse to debunk something you think the hoaxers can debunk.

Come on TheBlackRabbitofInlé, if you can prove me wrong I will admit that I'm wrong.

Let's see what you've got.


This is stupid.

Look at the crap you encouraged "Ilikerealhistory" to post.

Here's a big picture (click it to enlarge) of your eyebrows guys. The guy on the left is a 16 year old boy, Miklós Grüner.

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You have no proof that anything was altered in this photo except Simon Toncman. You've just an opinion that their eyebrows look funny, but you expect me to prove their eyebrows don't look funny!
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Re: Discovered! Iconic photo in Buchenwald is dishonest phot

Postby Kladderadatsch » 6 years 5 months ago (Mon Mar 04, 2013 7:31 am)

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Whaddaya mean that eyebrow isn't fake?!?!?!?!?

Come on BlackRabbitofInlé, prove that I'm wrong. Let's see what you've got!!!

:lol:
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Re: Discovered! Iconic photo in Buchenwald is dishonest phot

Postby Stevia » 6 years 5 months ago (Mon Mar 04, 2013 10:04 am)

Thank you TheBlackRabbitofInlé.

I would say that you have proven me wrong.

I'm sorry for having to goad you like I did, but you were being so dismissive about a question that should have been investigated further, not just flippantly dismissed like you did.

TheBlackRabbitofInlé:

You've just an opinion that their eyebrows look funny, but you expect me to prove their eyebrows don't look funny!


Yes. Like I said: "if you think the hoaxers can prove me wrong, then why don't you do it?"

Questions should be investigated and answered fully so they can be put to rest, not flippantly dismissed so as to remain and muddle an issue.

TheBlackRabbitofInlé:

Look at the crap you encouraged "Ilikerealhistory" to post.


Talk about stupid.

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Re: Discovered! Iconic photo in Buchenwald is dishonest phot

Postby Creox » 6 years 5 months ago (Mon Mar 04, 2013 7:54 pm)

Hannover wrote:Christopher Louis:

Your 'The New York Times wouldn't publish nakedness photos' excuse holds no water. Here's 'Occam's razor': 1.The man is not naked. 2.They had no problem in publishing completely naked diseased corpses that Allied troops ordered stacked upon each other and photographed from various angles in attempting to make the numbers appear larger than they were.

The photo was manipulated and there was a reason for it.

'The New York Times wouldn't publish nakedness photos' ... don't make me laugh.

- Hannover



I understand your reasoning here but I'm going to play the devil's advocate for Louis. My interpretation of his post is that the staged photo, in of itself, is not smoking gun. Many of the photos of the camps were staged and the movies directed in some cases...no argument. I think that this was done by the allies more to justify their atrocities then the creation of the Holocaust narrative.

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Re: Discovered! Iconic photo in Buchenwald is dishonest phot

Postby TheBlackRabbitofInlé » 6 years 5 months ago (Tue Mar 05, 2013 12:24 am)

Kladderadatsch wrote:Image

Whaddaya mean that eyebrow isn't fake?!?!?!?!?

Come on BlackRabbitofInlé, prove that I'm wrong. Let's see what you've got!!!

:lol:


Now Kladderdatsch. You know full well that the Nazis were obsessed with a pseudo-scientific ideal of the "Aryan supermen"—with perfectly symmetrical eyebrows.

All over Europe, mono-browed men, women and children, were forced into the Nazis' approximately 6,000,000 concentration camps, and there their monobrows were experimented on by Josef Mengele.

You did well tracking down another version of this photo. Was this one in the USHMM like the Shlomo the Plumber version?
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Re: Discovered! Iconic photo in Buchenwald is dishonest phot

Postby TheBlackRabbitofInlé » 6 years 5 months ago (Tue Mar 05, 2013 2:06 am)

Stevia wrote:Thank you TheBlackRabbitofInlé.

I would say that you have proven me wrong.

I'm sorry for having to goad you like I did, but you were being so dismissive about a question that should have been investigated further, not just flippantly dismissed like you did.

TheBlackRabbitofInlé:

You've just an opinion that their eyebrows look funny, but you expect me to prove their eyebrows don't look funny!


Yes. Like I said: "if you think the hoaxers can prove me wrong, then why don't you do it?"

Questions should be investigated and answered fully so they can be put to rest, not flippantly dismissed so as to remain and muddle an issue.


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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russell%27s_teapot

The hoaxers won't try and prove your eyebrow theory wrong, but they might use it as a reference to their assertion that "Holocaust deniers" claim the most absurd things about the Buchenwald photo, as they shift the emphasis from the fact Simon Toncman was doctored into this photo.

I don't have to prove your theory wrong, you have to prove it's correct. But you can't, because it's stupid.
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Re: Discovered! Iconic photo in Buchenwald is dishonest phot

Postby Kladderadatsch » 6 years 5 months ago (Tue Mar 05, 2013 4:56 pm)

TheBlackRabbitofInlé wrote:Now Kladderdatsch. You know full well that the Nazis were obsessed with a pseudo-scientific ideal of the "Aryan supermen"—with perfectly symmetrical eyebrows.

All over Europe, mono-browed men, women and children, were forced into the Nazis' approximately 6,000,000 concentration camps, and there their monobrows were experimented on by Josef Mengele.


Auschwitz I Stammlager, Auschwitz II Birkenau . . . Auschwitz I:) Monobrow

TheBlackRabbitofInlé wrote:You did well tracking down another version of this photo. Was this one in the USHMM like the Shlomo the Plumber version?

    Bildquelle [picture source]: Archiv des KL-Bertenwald, SS(Sesamstraße)-123ABC.
    (Anmerkung des Archivars: "Dieses Bild wurde Ihnen präsentiert vom Buchstabe L für Lügen und von der Nummer 6.000.000.")

:lol:

More seriously, and setting eyebrows aside for a moment, I really do think that uncovering the fraud in the Standing Man photograph is a victory worth cheering. BlackRabbit mentions a "Shlomo the Plumber version" above. For anyone who hasn't seen it, that refers to yet another version of the picture which BlackRabbit located and posted on the brilliant winstonsmithministryoftruth blog:

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http://winstonsmithministryoftruth.blog ... nwald.html

"Shlomo the Plumber" is just the nickname I gave to the guy sitting on the ground in this version, in place of the Standing Man, when writing a comment on winstonsmith. It feels silly to quote myself, but what I wrote there applies here too, so rather than redo it, this is why I think the fraud matters:

I'm sure this observation has been made before, but I suspect that part of the reason why the naked man was chosen for the cut-n-paste is to suggest a kind of Christ figure. The gaunt, bearded, yet strangely peaceful face; the vulnerable, skeletal nakedness; the shirt held up as a kind of "loin cloth," reminiscent of the tasteful drapery of church crucifixes; the soulful eyes looking up into the distance, past the camera; even the way face and body are overexposed in certain versions, making for a luminous, ghostly effect--it all plays into the meme complex of that greatest of iconic (literally, lol) figures in the West, the Big J. C. himself, re-arisen on the third day at Buchenwald, witness to the New Calvary, not two bunks down from Elie Wiesel.

Shlomo the Plumber sitting on his butt with his coffee cup beside him just can't compare.


In other words, much of the reason the faked Standing Man version of the photo is so famous, and used so often, is that it functions as a kind of religious image. It is literally an iconic picture. You don't even have to assume (as I did in my comment) that the effect was intentional; it could just as easily have been the lucky intuition of a photo editor who wanted to fill in some dark space in the frame and thought that the Standing Man would be a good candidate. Either way, what matters is the final product: an image that speaks on a powerfully emotional level, especially to Christian Europeans and European-descendants who are accustomed from childhood onward to associate such images with the holiest (and most guilt-inducing) of their religious mysteries, the atoning death and resurrection of Jesus Christ.

As such, the picture is pure holopropaganda gold, and it's no wonder that Elie Wiesel, for example, has gone to such laughable lengths to try to "identify" himself in it. If Holocaust orthodoxy is, as many have indeed observed, a kind of new religion ("Holocaustianity"), then the Standing Man picture is its "In the beginning" moment. ("In the beginning was the Fraud, and the Fraud was with God, and the Fraud was God," lol.)

But now it can be shown--positively demonstrated, beyond a reasonable doubt--that that iconic image is in fact a falsified composite. "Jesus" was not there in the flesh in the barracks at Buchenwald: he was copy-pasted in to manipulate your emotions, fellow goyim. Yes, of course, it's only one picture, and of course it "proves" nothing about any of the larger claims of the orthodox holonarrative. And no doubt there will be people who feel no particular religious associations at all looking at the Standing Man picture, or even find such an interpretation of it forced or outlandish. No matter. It's still a coup for revisionism. For to just that extent that the picture was, previously, an effective tool in the hands of the Industry for manipulating the emotions of the public, it now has the potential to become an effective tool in the hands of revisionists for enlightening the public on the scope and nature of that manipulation. And once a person's eyes are opened to that, there's no saying how far they might see.

To quote the skinny guy in the loincloth once more, You shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free. What more could you ask from revisionism?
Der grosse Kladderadatsch war da.

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Re: Discovered! Iconic photo in Buchenwald is dishonest phot

Postby carlo_ch » 5 years 1 week ago (Thu Aug 14, 2014 10:54 am)

Dear colleagues,

is this the "Making Of" of the famous Buchenwald photo forgery (at 15:06 min)??

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80GgRWuXcO8

At that part of the video, Eric talks about other famous Buchenwald forgeries.

Moreover, don't you think that the man standing to the right is exactly the same guy as the one at the bottom center?

I could imagine that they wanted to convey the message: "Look, this guy survived the Buchenwald death camp. He was lying down there and now he stands here". Yet later, they omitted this message and just showed the image as a propaganda piece.

Or else they were simply stupid or bold enough to forge a photo with the same guy TWO times on it?

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Re: Discovered! Iconic photo in Buchenwald is dishonest phot

Postby carlo_ch » 5 years 1 week ago (Thu Aug 14, 2014 11:00 am)

Another "making of" of a forgery: How British media faked the "Serbian death camps" in 1992, to compare the Serbs to the "evil Nazis" and Milosevic to Hitler, and justify a NATO bombing campaign.

http://www.emperors-clothes.com/Film/judge.htm
http://www.emperors-clothes.com/film/judgment.htm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xox7TR1 ... re=related

Looks like the Brits still employ the same techniques. Now they even can relate their modern forgeries to their former forgeries to justify more phoney wars!

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Re: Discovered! Iconic photo in Buchenwald is dishonest phot

Postby carlo_ch » 5 years 1 week ago (Sat Aug 16, 2014 8:19 am)

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left and center from Buchenwald photo, right from Buchenwald filming scene in "Spielberg's Hoax - The Last Days of The Big Lie". Is it the same guy, or perhaps brothers?

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Re: Discovered! Iconic photo in Buchenwald is dishonest phot

Postby HeiligeSturm » 5 years 12 hours ago (Sun Aug 24, 2014 6:03 am)

Buchenwald bunks-1024x830.jpg


It must be authentic. Elie Wiesel was there. At least now we know what that guy on the upper left was smiling about.
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Morris Venezia: Of course I was every day over there.
Carol Stulberg: Can you describe to us what it looked like?
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Re: Discovered! Iconic photo in Buchenwald is dishonest phot

Postby HeiligeSturm » 4 years 11 months ago (Sat Sep 20, 2014 2:38 pm)

More pictures from the same filming and photo sessions

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File: ... _05570.jpg

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File: ... _74606.jpg

It seems that model work is exhausting.



Two other pictures of Buchenwald prisoners which are not
so good in propaganda usage as there's no "living skeletons".

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File: ... _09763.jpg

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File: ... _12074.jpg
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Morris Venezia: Of course I was every day over there.
Carol Stulberg: Can you describe to us what it looked like?
Morris Venezia: It’s nothing to describe


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