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Re: Testimonies on flames from Auschwitz crematorium chimney

Postby Hannover » 5 years 9 months ago (Mon Mar 30, 2015 6:44 pm)

Alan1 wrote:Honestly I don't think it is impossible for flames to exit the chimneys IF bodies were burnt continuously, but lots of oxygen is needed http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Backdraft
Apparently there's something called chimney backdraft.

Hi, Alan.
A chimney fire is an accidental, destructive, serious fire which crematorium operators must strive mightily to prevent.
Was there ever an occasional accident at Auschwitz? Perhaps, but necessarily very rarely.
Note there are no photos of any flaming Auschwitz chimneys, and there are many, many photos of the crematory chimneys at Auschwitz during the period under discussion..
The point being that hordes of "eyewitnesses" claimed that these flaming chimneys were a regular feature at Auschwitz. They were / are obviously lying. They somehow think their tales of flaming chimneys add colorful drama to their stories, but like so many other stupid things these bogus "survivor, eyewitnesses" claim, it exposes them as liars, clowns and fools.

And the simple fact that there are countless so called "survivors" demolishes the dumb 'holocaust' storyline all by itself.

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Flaming Auschwitz chimneys could not have happened.

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Re: Testimonies on flames from Auschwitz crematorium chimney

Postby TheBlackRabbitofInlé » 5 years 9 months ago (Tue Apr 14, 2015 6:18 pm)

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Epic crematorium chimney flames on the cover of this 1945 Dutch booklet.

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Re: Testimonies on flames from Auschwitz crematorium chimney

Postby TheBlackRabbitofInlé » 5 years 9 months ago (Tue Apr 14, 2015 6:42 pm)

This drawing shows us Birkenau as viewed from the west, and in it we see no less than five crematorium chimneys blazing enormous flames; five simultaneous chimney fires!

Perhaps the original drawing includes Krema II with its chimney a-flaming, but the editors of the publication the drawing is taken from had to crop the image.

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Remembering for the Future: Exhibition of Original Drawings and Reproductions, by Victims of the Holocaust from Concentration Camps and Ghettos 1940 - 1945 (pamphlet for an exhibition in 1988), London: MacDonald & Co, 1988.

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Re: Testimonies on flames from Auschwitz crematorium chimney

Postby Brainscan2015 » 5 years 9 months ago (Tue Apr 14, 2015 7:32 pm)

There's also the quote from "One Third of the holocaust" where the old girl says "the chimneys were billowing fire".

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Re: Testimonies on flames from Auschwitz crematorium chimney

Postby Hektor » 5 years 9 months ago (Wed Apr 15, 2015 10:19 am)

TheBlackRabbitofInlé wrote:Image

Epic crematorium chimney flames on the cover of this 1945 Dutch booklet.
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Searching for it I found a real chest of WW2 / Holocaust related info and documents.
But here is the booklet for download:
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https://archive.org/details/AanDeGaskam ... WinterLevy

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Re: Testimonies on flames from Auschwitz crematorium chimney

Postby TheBlackRabbitofInlé » 5 years 9 months ago (Wed Apr 15, 2015 11:48 am)

Hektor wrote:Searching for it I found a real chest of WW2 / Holocaust related info and documents.
But here is the booklet for download:
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https://archive.org/details/AanDeGaskam ... WinterLevy


And in colour here: http://www.geheugenvannederland.nl/?/nl/items/EVDO02:NIOD05_6519
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Re: Testimonies on flames from Auschwitz crematorium chimney

Postby Archie » 1 month 2 weeks ago (Fri Nov 27, 2020 10:19 pm)

TheBlackRabbitofInlé wrote:
The train disappeared momentarily behind the trees that lined the curve of the road behind Birkenau and then reappeared on the other side. Several troops of prisoners headed off toward the first crematorium, came to a halt, and waited there like hungry people in front of a grocery store or the way people stand in line for theater tickets, waiting for the doors to open. The remaining groups continued down the road that ran along the Gypsy camp to Brescinke: they marched between lush green meadows and fields of yellow rapeseed, their stumbling children at their side, and all those baby carriages raising only a slight puff of dust compared to the clouds thrown up by the SS automobiles speeding by. An endless procession of people. We watched these marches day after day. The people were different, but the image remained the same: so many pilgrims on their way. We lost sight of them near the Brescinke Forest, and less than an hour later the flames rose high behind these woods. Two pillars of fire soared to the heavens. And the yard in front of the crematorium, where these people had been standing, where they had been waiting to enter their gas chambers, was deserted except for the flaming glow that never failed to appear punctually one hour after their entry. It shimmered through the otherwise so harmless-looking side windows, so unsuspicious in their blankness, and licked its way up the towering chimneys. Five huge flames burned day and night, and when they were extinguished, more victims arrived to fuel them anew — a reddish-yellow conflagration of wood and humanity. The sky was red from the glow and the stars paled behind it.

German Jew Dr. Lucie Adelberger on Auschwitz II (Birkenau)

Adelsberger, Lucie. trans. Ray, Susan. contrb. Slavin, Arthur Joseph. Auschwitz: A Doctor's Story. Lebanon, NH: Northeastern University Press. 1995 (originally published in German in 1956). p.83.


Staeglich quotes from Adelsberger in his Auschwitz book. Pages 212-214 in the recent Castle Hill edition. Partly overlapping excerpts with a different translation.
Officially, we were not supposed to know anything about the selections, even as the flames mounted into the sky before our very eyes, and when we were practically suffocated by the odor of burning flesh and by dense smoke.

At the Brescinke woods we lost sight of them, and after hardly an hour, flames ascended behind the Brescinke woods. The flames climbed high into the sky in two places. And the area in front of the crematoria where people had stood in line, waiting for entrance to their death chambers, was deserted. There, too, the flames were glowing, through the side windows, which otherwise seemed so innocuous and unsuspicious, exactly one hour after the people had entered, and mounted from the chimney. Five giant flames blazed day and night, and when they died down, new people came to provide them with fresh fuel, those reddish-yellow fires of wood and human substance. The sky was red from the embers, and the stars obscured. The air was polluted by the sweetish odor of corpses and the smell of burning human bodies and singed hair. The suffocating vapor from ashes lay heavy and smoky over the camp. Baal, the fire god of the Assyrians, couldn’t hold a candle to Hitler, the god of the Nazis. Medieval burnings at the stake were sheer amateurism in comparison with the giant fires that were kindled at Auschwitz after the victims had been gassed (but not always killed) in assembly-line fashion. When we awakened during the night – we who had witnessed this, and yet ate and slept like normal people – the barracks were lit brightly within by the lambent reflection of the huge fires. And when I got up, and sneaked through the back door of the block, and looked at the second crematorium, which was located across from the first one, I saw beside it the open fires into which the bodies of children were being thrown, some dead, others still alive. I heard the screams of the children, saw how fire played on their tender bodies, and no metamorphosis of my being, in this life or the next, will ever expunge this vision from my soul.

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Re: Testimonies on flames from Auschwitz crematorium chimneys

Postby Archie » 1 month 2 weeks ago (Sat Nov 28, 2020 12:04 am)

Damn, Black Rabbit was on fire in this thread.

A couple comments, after skimming through this whole thread:

-I think "cross-pollination" is a very delicate way to describe what we see going on here.

-When considered carefully, the issue raised here is actually quite a major one. It compromises not only the huge list of witnesses here but it undermines the entire hoaxer methodology more broadly, which relies so heavily on such "testimony." After all, if an extremely well "corroborated" claim such as this one is false, then it casts doubt on other claims established through such testimony (i.e., basically everything). And remember: their position is not just that these stories are true, but that it's all so well-established that no reasonable person can doubt it. In essence, they are arguing that you are crazy if you don't believe in the flaming chimneys.

-Hoaxers go to great lengths to distinguish between hearsay and "eyewitness testimony" and they accord reverential deference to accounts that claim to be based on direct experience. Many of these flames-from-the-chimney accounts purport to be firsthand accounts and yet we see there's absolutely nothing preventing these people from claiming they saw things that they didn't see.

-To salvage their ridiculous witnesses, hoaxers will try to argue that it is possible under some highly specific set of circumstances to see a flame come out of the chimney. But one only needs to re-read a few of these accounts to see that this explanation doesn't hold up. For example, the one I just posted says "Five giant flames blazed day and night." The ubiquity of these accounts and the vivid descriptions cannot be explained by hypothetical, occasional flare-ups.

-On the question of cremation capacity, the hoaxers will try to claim the ovens were highly efficient. Four bodies per muffle per hour with very little fuel and so on. They do this because they need to get rid of thousands of bodies a day. But then when trying to save these testimonies they say the ovens were emitting flame and smoke and horrible smells, all details that do NOT suggest optimal operation and fuel economy. If the ovens were as efficient as they claim they were, then there weren't giant flames blazing from the chimneys day and night.

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Re: Testimonies on flames from Auschwitz crematorium chimneys

Postby PrudentRegret » 1 month 2 weeks ago (Sat Nov 28, 2020 12:28 am)

What-ever happened to Black Rabbit?

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Re: Testimonies on flames from Auschwitz crematorium chimneys

Postby Breker » 1 month 2 weeks ago (Sat Nov 28, 2020 2:17 am)

PrudentRegret wrote:What-ever happened to Black Rabbit?

It's believed he was threatened / coerced and left revisionism behind, a la Mr. Eric Hunt.
But, as was the case with Hunt, it changes nothing.
The Rabbit's efforts in clobbering "Holocaust" propaganda remain unchanged.
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Re: Testimonies on flames from Auschwitz crematorium chimneys

Postby Lamprecht » 1 month 2 weeks ago (Sat Nov 28, 2020 11:15 am)

PrudentRegret wrote:What-ever happened to Black Rabbit?

I suggest:
viewtopic.php?t=12168
viewtopic.php?t=10729

And of course, use the search function
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Re: Testimonies on flames from Auschwitz crematorium chimneys

Postby HMSendeavour » 1 month 2 weeks ago (Sat Nov 28, 2020 11:48 am)

Lamprecht wrote:
PrudentRegret wrote:What-ever happened to Black Rabbit?

I suggest:
viewtopic.php?t=12168
viewtopic.php?t=10729

And of course, use the search function


Black Rabbit in the first thread there mentions having argued on a skeptic forum about the torture of SS men. Would you happen to know of such threads? Maybe someone else does?

You know a book on Nuremberg would be a great addition to the Holocaust Handbooks. I reckon getting C. Porter to help collaborate with Mattogno would be cool.
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Re: Testimonies on flames from Auschwitz crematorium chimneys

Postby Hannover » 1 month 2 weeks ago (Sat Nov 28, 2020 1:23 pm)

Let’s remember that among other things synthetic rubber was being manufactured and probably didn’t smell to good.

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Re: Testimonies on flames from Auschwitz crematorium chimneys

Postby Lamprecht » 1 month 2 weeks ago (Sat Nov 28, 2020 2:35 pm)

HMSendeavour wrote:Black Rabbit in the first thread there mentions having argued on a skeptic forum about the torture of SS men. Would you happen to know of such threads? Maybe someone else does?

You have to register an account on that forum to view profiles and use the search function.
This is Black Rabbit's account: https://www.skepticforum.com/memberlist ... le&u=16830

I'm sure you could search the term "torture" by username and find what he's talking about.
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