Bob wrote:Pa Gromheizer wrote:Roberto 'Rhinotillomania' Muehlenkamp accepted a challenge but nobody is willing lay their credentials on the line to back him up. Good grief.
-Man who does not know what is "Prussian Blue"...
-Man who believes that HCN can be formed in the brickwork...
-Man who claims that it takes two days for Prussian Blue to be formed...
-Man who claims that delousing chambers using Zyklon B in A-B were used approx. 10 times or less/or more during their entire period of existence...
Roberto Muehlenkamp wrote:Homicidal gas chambers may have been exposed for the same or longer times in total than delousing chambers because the total duration of homicidal gassing operations was higher than the total duration of delousing operations, even if the duration of an individual homicidal gassing operation was lower than the duration of an individual delousing operation. (according to claims in this thread some 166 hours for homicidal gas chamber in crematorium II)
Or less, if we assume that the IFFR (new window) was correct when mentioning that "the duration of disinsectization was relatively long, about 24 hours for each batch of clothes (probably even longer)"
Or more, if we take the lower time [16 hours]
mentioned in the Directives (new window): http://forum.rodoh.com/viewtopic.php?f= ... =120#p1256http://forum.rodoh.com/viewtopic.php?f= ... =130#p1262http://forum.rodoh.com/viewtopic.php?f= ... =130#p1266
-Man who claims that Zyklon B did not change and was the same during the years...
Roberto Muehlenkamp wrote:Unless, of course, the Zyklon B used in 1933 was different from the Zyklon B used in 1942, as Lambrecht apparently claims. But Irmscher’s curves for 15º Celsius suggest otherwise.[…]http://forum.rodoh.com/viewtopic.php?f= ... t=70#p1062If, as Lambrecht claims, there were considerable differences in evaporation speed according to carrier material, one would have expected Peters to have pointed this out. If he did not, he must have considered that there was no significant carrier-dependent difference in evaporation speed.
As I pointed out in post 176, Bob’s source Lambrecht provides no evidence that 1942 Zyklon B out-gassed more slowly than Zyklon B in 1933.http://forum.rodoh.com/viewtopic.php?f= ... t=70#p1077
-Man who believes that samples cannot exhibit high cyanide concentrations without visible blue pigment...
Roberto Muehlenkamp wrote:Where Prussian blue formed in a building exposed to hydrogen cyanide, it would remain present at high concentration while other compounds of cyanide would gradually weather away. This means that samples with Prussian blue originally exposed to the same amount of HCN as samples without Prussian blue would necessarily contain a much higher concentration of cyanide residues than the latter and that comparing one and the other could therefore provide no telling results as to the extent to which either had been exposed to HCN.http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=18782
Is that so? (reaction to this information)
And I would like him to post photos of those control samples, on which it can be seen that they do not contain Prussian Blue. http://forum.rodoh.com/viewtopic.php?f= ... =110#p1195How do you know these were samples without blue pigmentation? Please quote the exact description of these samples, if you cannot provide a photograph. http://forum.rodoh.com/viewtopic.php?f= ... =110#p1214
-Man who claims that HCN is able to 100% evaporate in 17 minutes in temperature of 30C (leaving aside all delaying factors)...
-Man who claims that evaporating HCN is able to produce pressure so big that canisters were constructed to withstand pressure up to 6 bars!...
-Man who claims that alleged wire columns worked like a "vapor pressure cooking pan" thanks to pressure produced by evaporating HCN...
Roberto Muehlenkamp wrote:A smaller opening [in the wire mesh column]
only means more vapor pressure and the vapor coming out of the opening with more force and speed, like when you let the vapor out of a pressure cooking pan. It doesn’t slow down the evaporation process, as Bob would have it.http://forum.rodoh.com/viewtopic.php?f= ... t=70#p1064
-Man who claims that unstable CN compounds are able to correctly tell us what happened some 50 years ago (50 because of dates of known reports)
Roberto Muehlenkamp wrote:Unstable compositions behave similarly under ambient conditions over those 70 years, so their traces after 70 years in homicidal gas chambers on the one hand and in controls on the other allow for determining whether both were exposed to comparable amounts of hydrogen cyanide at a given time. http://forum.rodoh.com/viewtopic.php?f= ... =110#p1195I wasn’t referring to stable cyanide compositions like Prussian Blue, but to the more unstable and thus more relevant ones examined here (new window). http://forum.rodoh.com/viewtopic.php?f= ... =110#p1185
-Man who is able to add in the respect to previous statement that these unstable cyanide compounds were affected by weathering and elements...
Roberto Muehlenkamp wrote:b) why, taking into consideration all relevant factors (delousing chamber walls were exposed to hydrogen cyanide for hours at a time as opposed to half an hour at most per occasion in the homicidal gas chambers, washing of bodies/gas chambers may have diluted cyanide concentrations below the minimum necessary to form stable cyanide compositions that didn’t wither with time, walls of homicidal gas chambers were more exposed to elements after the war than walls of delousing chambers, etc.) one should necessarily expect the kind of traces that Bob claims should be there. http://forum.rodoh.com/viewtopic.php?f= ... =100#p1164
-Man who claims that stable cyanide compounds distort analysis of samples conducted 50 years later...
Roberto Muehlenkamp wrote:(which were correctly left out of the comparison, as Prussian Blue is much more stable than other cyanide compositions and would thus distort the comparison)http://forum.rodoh.com/viewtopic.php?f= ... =110#p1185Including parts of the delousing chambers' walls in which cyanide penetrated and remained under conditions radically different than in the walls of the homicidal gas chambers, in that it formed stable iron cyanide compositions, would have distorted the comparison.http://forum.rodoh.com/viewtopic.php?f= ... =130#p1302
-Man who believes that Leuchter and Rudolf somehow conducted analysis of taken samples themselves...
-Man who believes that alleged homicidal gas chambers are made only of bricks...
Roberto Muehlenkamp wrote:3. The washing of the walls [of alleged gas chambers]
is only one factor inhibiting the reaction that produces iron blues. Others were the comparatively small quantity of HCN not inhaled by the victims and the reduction of pH due to the exhalation of CO2, as explained. Still another conditioning was the suitability of the brickwork to the formation of HCN. http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=18782
-Man who claims that Poles from IFFR in Krakow excluded samples exhibiting Prussian blue pigment from their analysis...
-Man who thought that Robert Jan Van Pelt was played by an actor in the movie "Mr. Death"...
-Man who claims that they installed protective grills to windows in crematoria from inside and that they had hemispherical (my mistake, better words for his device are - "hat" or "cone") shape...
Roberto Muehlenkamp wrote:Err, they put the windows inside the wooden frames, installed the windows with the wooden frames in the building and then fastened the protection grills to the frames with screws from the inside. What am I supposed to be missing here? I’m hypothesizing a protection grill fastened to the window frames on the inside, shaped sort of like a very flat square hat, with the "brim" of the "hat" fastened by screws to the wooden window frame and the "cone" of the "hat" protruding away from the window towards the inside of the chamber, thus creating a certain amount of space between the window and the grid that was surrounded by the grid, barring access to the window. http://forum.rodoh.com/viewtopic.php?f= ... t=80#p1101
-Man who claimed that Central Sauna was place for shooting of Soviet PoWs...
Roberto Muehlenkamp wrote:So what is Charlie's [he calls Mattogno "Charlie"]
ground-breaking argument here? That because "special treatment" may have been used in a non-homicidal sense in another context (and his convoluted argumentation in this sense doesn't exactly convince me, for even if his conjectures about the place for this particuar Sonderbehandlung being the Central Sauna are correct, it is quite possible that Soviet POWs earmarked for liquidation were meant to be bumped off in or near the Central Sauna, by a simple shot in the back of the head without any need for gassing facilities)http://www.skepticforum.com/viewtopic.p ... 40#p272807His explanation of this document recently contradicted here:
Not clear at all insofar as in the Central Sauna document it can be deducted from the evidence context that nothing sinister was meant by "special treatment"http://forum.rodoh.com/viewtopic.php?f= ... t=20#p1224
-Man who claims that Germans wanted to use alleged undressing rooms simultaneously as showers for camp inmates during "no gassing" days...
Roberto Muehlenkamp wrote:In 1943 the Birkenau crematoria were not exactly in constant use for the purpose of homicidal gassing, so it may have been intended to use them for another purpose (like showering inmates in the undressing room) at times when no transports were arriving. http://forum.rodoh.com/viewtopic.php?f= ... t=20#p1216
-Man who claims that victims inhaled Zyklon B
Roberto Muehlenkamp wrote: According to the statements of both perpetrators and surviving witnesses, only those standing next to the introduction columns inhaled a quantity of Zyklon B high enough for immediate death[...]http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=18782
-Man who claims that poisoning through the skin is slight poisoning in the respect to expose to HCN.
Roberto Muehlenkamp wrote:We see that poisoning through the skin was considered slight poisoning.http://forum.rodoh.com/viewtopic.php?f= ... rt=50#p901The directives state that the symptoms of poisoning through the skin are "Symptoms as for 1.", "1." being "Slight poisoning". And they state that poisoning through the skin is to be treated in the same manner as slight poisoning, so one cannot help concluding that the authors of this directive didn't consider the possibility of poisoning through the skin being severe poisoning.http://forum.rodoh.com/viewtopic.php?f= ... rt=50#p936
-Man who claims that during summer, when the Zyklon B canister was opened - "a sizable quantity of the poison out-gassed as soon as the cans were opened"
Roberto Muehlenkamp wrote:Most of the gassing in Krema V was done in the summer of 1944, in very warm weather, well above the boiling point of hydrogen cyanide. A sizable quantity of the poison would thus out-gas as soon as the cans were opened, and enough would be in the air by the time the pellets were thrown in to kill the people closest to the point of introduction.http://forum.rodoh.com/viewtopic.php?f= ... rt=30#p751
-Man who believes that the CN content detected by Poles in samples from AHGCH (up to 0,6 mg/kg) was significant and values detected in Leuchter/Rudolf samples (up to 7.9mg/kg) probably not...
Roberto Muehlenkamp wrote:As we have an expertise (new window) showing traces of cyanide in the homicidal gas chambers that are significant, according to the authors of that expertise, in comparison with traces of cyanide in delousing chambers other than those contained in Prussian Blue formations (which were correctly left out of the comparison, as Prussian Blue is much more stable than other cyanide compositions and would thus distort the comparison)http://forum.rodoh.com/viewtopic.php?f= ... =110#p1185
-Man who does not know what it means to measure total cyanide content of the samples...
-Man who claimed that victims were believed to get a shower in place (crematoria IV-V) without the "fake" showers according to Filip Müller and judgment of Auschwitz Trial in Frankfurt...
-Man who suggested as one of the explanation that victims were dwarves and not able to reach openings in alleged gas chamber/s in crematoria IV-V placed 1.7 m or 1.6 m or probably 1.4 m (it depends on the reported dimensions of the openings) to 2.1 m above the floor...
-And finally - Man who claims that even despite the missing introduction holes for Zyklon B the evidence for homicidal gassings in these places would still be conclusive!...
Roberto Muehlenkamp wrote:If you could prove that there were never any introduction holes in Krema II and Krema I, this would mean a major inaccuracy in testimonies describing introduction of Zyklon B through such holes. The evidence to homicidal gassing in those facilities (if not by introducing the Zyklon B through introduction holes in the roof) would still be conclusive. http://www.skepticforum.com/viewtopic.p ... 60#p276550
(And much more...)
...such man will always fail in debate with informed revisionists, this man is alone as he contradicts even claims of his own sources like Green and he obviously had never visited this place. I had opportunity to debate with him on two occasions, one of the most weirdest experiences ever.
*feel free to request source for every claim of this gentleman. (edit - I provided sources as requested and added more claims, there are so many errors that list would have been very long and I missed to address some in the threads mentioned above.)