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More Catholics than Jews died at Auschwitz

Postby astro3 » 4 years 9 months ago (Thu Jan 31, 2013 12:10 pm)

More Catholics than Jews died at Auschwitz, in the three years 1941-43, according to 'The Death Books of Auschwitz.'

The so-called 'Death Books' released by Gorbachov in 1989 have the archive material captured by the Russians as they liberated the Auschwitz camp in 1945. They were finally published in three volumes in 1945. No-one seemed to know anything about them but I finally realised that there was a copy in the British Library, and that it had a convenient chapter in English summarising the statistics. So here is a page of data http://www.whatreallyhappened.info/decr ... hwitz.html on the new British Revisionist website. There is also an Excel spreadsheet of that page of data, which you can download.

Of the 68.8 thousand total deaths recorded in the Death Books for Auschwitz, 29.1 thousand were Jewish and 31.8 thousand were Roman Catholic.

In the year 1943, more than twice as many Catholics died than Jews! 24% of total mortality was Jewish (6.9 thousand died), as compared to 69% of total mortality that was Roman Catholic (17.0 thousand).

There are so many I-was-there and it-was-Hell books by Jews who claim to have been at Auschwitz, perhaps Catholics should try their hand at this profitable literary genre? Or build their own Holo-temple museums, showing wicked Nazis, I don't know, trampling on rosaries or something? I'm sure it would boost church attendance.

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NB, the Death Book records for 1942 also show, just like the British Intelligence decrypt data, http://www.whatreallyhappened.info/decr ... 942_v3.pdf a tremendous peak in August-September 1942 as the great typhus epidemic struck. After that, mortality then sharply dropped down again to its former level in the following months, as it was brought under control.


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Death Books from Auschwitz (1995) are in three volumes, of which the second has a chapter ‘Computer-Aided Analysis of the Death Book Entries’ (Grotum & Parcer), The data here used is from a table on p.223.



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Re: More Catholics than Jews died at Auschwitz

Postby Renewal » 4 years 9 months ago (Thu Jan 31, 2013 3:36 pm)

astro3 wrote:There are so many I-was-there and it-was-Hell books by Jews who claim to have been at Auschwitz, perhaps Catholics should try their hand at this profitable literary genre? Or build their own Holo-temple museums, showing wicked Nazis, I don't know, trampling on rosaries or something? I'm sure it would boost church attendance.


One would expect everyone to be happy, when it turns out that less people died than it was thought. But somehow, a certain group can only be happy when everyone dies. This is what makes their "suffering" special and different from others. Only death and destruction can make them happy. Unless everyone is "exterminated", their "suffering" will never end.

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Re: More Catholics than Jews died at Auschwitz

Postby Haldan » 4 years 9 months ago (Thu Jan 31, 2013 5:59 pm)

This is positive news...for the Jews, in any case. Sure, it might inflict on their semi-religious Holocaust claims as Renewal notes, but for normal folks this would be considered "positive news".

Example: 5000 Basques are alleged to have been murdered in vicious condition.

Truth: Only 950 Basques actually died; most from natural death.

Conclusion: Basques all over the world rejoices over this positive message!

But with the Holocaust story the ones profiting from these stories goes into defensive (almost a rage like) mode when something similar happens.. :cry:

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Re: More Catholics than Jews died at Auschwitz

Postby TheBlackRabbitofInlé » 4 years 9 months ago (Thu Jan 31, 2013 6:29 pm)

THREE MILLION Catholics died at Auschwitz!

According to Phillip J. Chesser, writing in the Cumberland County's (TN) Crossville Chronicle any how:

It is also worth noting here that Jews were not the only targets of Nazi genocide. At Auschwitz alone, three million Polish Catholics were systematically murdered, “including thousands of priests, 20 percent of Poland’s entire clerical class (or ‘priest swine,’ as the Nazis called them).”

January 18, 2010, "STUMPTALK: Some writers need to read better history"
http://crossville-chronicle.com/opinion ... d=topstory


Love the title he gave his article!
Nazis tried to create super-soldiers, using steroids ... they sought to reanimate the dead—coffins of famous Germanic warriors were found hidden in a mine, with plans to bring them back to life at the war’s end.
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Re: More Catholics than Jews died at Auschwitz

Postby Kingfisher » 4 years 9 months ago (Thu Jan 31, 2013 6:33 pm)

This puts the Carmelite convent controversy of 1990 (or thereabouts) in a new perspective.

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Re: More Catholics than Jews died at Auschwitz

Postby Hannover » 4 years 9 months ago (Thu Jan 31, 2013 7:00 pm)

Haldan:
But with the Holocaust story the ones profiting from these stories goes into defensive (almost a rage like) mode when something similar happens.. :cry:

That type of reaction is a dead give away that Jewish supremacists have no proof. Merely shallow, desperate attempts to bluff their way through. People do not behave like that when they have truth on their side.

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Re: More Catholics than Jews died at Auschwitz

Postby Renewal » 4 years 9 months ago (Thu Jan 31, 2013 7:18 pm)

TheBlackRabbitofInlé wrote:THREE MILLION Catholics died at Auschwitz!


Auschwitz is something like a black hole, it seems. Everyone who can not be found in Auschwitz has been murdered there. It's like that magic place where all the lost items go, but with a twist. Lost your gold watch and your cat? Did not find them in Auschwitz? The cat has been gassed and Nazis took the watch, obviously. You never know, maybe this has been going on much longer than everyone thinks, and if someone is going to look hard enough, they just might find some 100 million American natives there.

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Re: More Catholics than Jews died at Auschwitz

Postby borjastick » 4 years 9 months ago (Fri Feb 01, 2013 4:22 am)

This data gives the lie to the claim that the holocaust was all about Jewish pain and suffering. One would have to ask why so many catholics in Auschwitz? We know that the claim of almost equal suffering by jew and non jew was made up by Lipstadt and Wiesenthal, so as to inveigle us all into the con.
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Re: More Catholics than Jews died at Auschwitz

Postby Balsamo » 4 years 9 months ago (Fri Feb 01, 2013 8:19 am)

the article said

It has been averred that ‘Up to 175,000’ Jews were deported to Auschwitz by the end of
1942 7. That is impossibly high, because less than forty percent of all inmates were Jewish: a
figure of fifty or sixty thousand would be more reasonable.


I love those kind of declarations:

- Impossibly high...why?
- less that 40% were Jews...as a rule? all the time?

EDIT : SORRY HAVE NOT SEEN THAT FOOTNOTES

In the only "Umlaufplan" i have for the 3 last weeks of January 1943, it shows that 16000 people were sent to Auschwitz, among them 2000 Poles and 14000 Jews (10000 from Theresienstadt)
Do you have population statistics for this months of January 43? Seems that the data available only concerns Auschwitz 1 and 3 for that period.

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Re: More Catholics than Jews died at Auschwitz

Postby Horhug » 4 years 9 months ago (Fri Feb 01, 2013 4:03 pm)

Balsamo wrote:the article said

It has been averred that ‘Up to 175,000’ Jews were deported to Auschwitz by the end of
1942 7. That is impossibly high, because less than forty percent of all inmates were Jewish: a
figure of fifty or sixty thousand would be more reasonable.


I love those kind of declarations:

- Impossibly high...why?
- less that 40% were Jews...as a rule? all the time?

EDIT : SORRY HAVE NOT SEEN THAT FOOTNOTES

In the only "Umlaufplan" i have for the 3 last weeks of January 1943, it shows that 16000 people were sent to Auschwitz, among them 2000 Poles and 14000 Jews (10000 from Theresienstadt)
Do you have population statistics for this months of January 43? Seems that the data available only concerns Auschwitz 1 and 3 for that period.


The Auschwitz inmate statistics published on our site are described in the introduction article here: http://www.whatreallyhappened.info/decr ... rypts.html

A quick glance at the inmate tables linked to on that page does indeed show notations Auschwitz "1" and Auschwitz "3", formerly "VPA" in September 1942 only. As explained in the introduction article, these were notations used by the analysts at Bletchley Park.

The inmate tables showing arrivals and departures for two datasets at Auschwitz in January 1943, are here: http://www.whatreallyhappened.info/decr ... y_1943.JPG

and here: http://www.whatreallyhappened.info/decr ... y_1943.JPG

An Excel file containing the transcribed numbers, with a sheet for each month at Auschwitz, is here: http://www.whatreallyhappened.info/decr ... _1943.xlsx

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Re: More Catholics than Jews died at Auschwitz

Postby truth » 4 years 9 months ago (Sun Feb 03, 2013 12:17 am)

Ultimately, people never were to inspired by the story of the Jews - as human suffering, sure - YES, and of course - as a dogmatic propaganda - NO=boring. What can they give to humanity if there no love for humanity?

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Re: More Catholics than Jews died at Auschwitz

Postby Barrington James » 4 years 9 months ago (Sun Feb 03, 2013 12:00 pm)

So there were actually 69 , 000 deaths at Auschwitz. This, of course, is a terrible number of deaths and I do not want to make light of the number in view of this horrible event, but it does throw my math off. I thought that I had read several years ago that the number of deaths at Auschwitz was 75, 000 , and , for some reason I just thought that the number of the these poor lost souls would be Jewish, perhaps as many as 40, 000. I thus went on to figure , using the same reasoning, that the number of Jews who died so horribly at Bergen-Belsen , by far the worst camp in all of Germany, would be about 30, 000.…and so on until I thus figured ( guessed) that the average number of Jews who died in the 22 concentration camps would be between 10, 000 and 15, 000. However in view of this new information and other considerations, I now will have to reduce my numbers of Jewish deaths by the above 25% reduction in the number of Jewish deaths at Auschwitz. Thus my guess average number of Jews who died in the camps would now be between 7, 500 and 11,250. Therefore , in view of all of the above, I now think that the number of Jews who died in the camps during the Holocaust would be between 22 times 7,500 and 11,25 or between 165 , 000 and 250, 000. I still don’t know how to calculate the number who died otherwise.

Finally, in reply to your question or comment about the number of Christians who have not come forward to tell their tale of the Holocaust, although a great number of Christians were interned at Auschwitz and the other camps, and although what they have to say would be very interesting, I think the examples of what happened to Ernst Zundel, David Irving and his lawyer Sylvia Stolz, Prof.Staglich, Graf, David Cole, Prof.Paul Rassinier, Arthur Butz, Fred Leuchter and the thousands of lesser known truth tellers might have something to do with this seemingly lack of monetary ambition.
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Re: More Catholics than Jews died at Auschwitz

Postby astro3 » 4 years 9 months ago (Sun Feb 10, 2013 2:55 pm)

Here is a bar-chart showing that excess of Catholics over Jews, in Au. Mortality over two and a half years:Image

Here is that same data, broken down month by month: Image

you can see there is a big drop in Jewish deaths reported around March 1943, and does this mean that not all Jewish deaths were reported after that date? This is not clear and most accounts, eg the chapter in the ‘Death Books of Auschwitz’ (1995) giving the statistical evaluation make no such suggestion. But that drop in Jewish deaths does need explaining.

If I may reply to Balsamo, he asks about the statement ‘less than 40% of all inmates were Jewish’ (which I made here: http://www.whatreallyhappened.info/decr ... 942_v3.pdf) – that comes from a different data-source, namely the British Intelligence decrypts. These record day by day how many people lived in Auschwitz (and other camps) and these intercepted messages gave four categories: Poles, Jews, Russians and ‘political prisoners’ sometimes alluded to as ‘Germans.’ Image
and if you want to see that % varying through the year, as Jews flooded into Auschwitz, comparing with Poles and Russians:Image
If you want to see the numbers ‘behind’ these graphs and where they come from, click the ‘Excel’ pages here http://www.whatreallyhappened.info/decr ... rypts.html

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Re: More Catholics than Jews died at Auschwitz

Postby Balsamo » 4 years 9 months ago (Sun Feb 10, 2013 8:33 pm)

Very Well Atro3,

But again those numbers and stats seem to only concern Auschwitz 1, i had no time to double check recently, but yes my 16.000 jews (sent to Auschwits in the 3 last weeks of January 1943 alone) do no seems to have been counted in the documents provided...So they should have been sent to Birkenau directly...This alone should raise some question about what could be concluded from those very documents. I am not saying they are fake or something, just that there are crucial gaps in them.

I am personnaly not one of those who prentend that Auschwitz 1 and 3 were mass kiling centers...

Still we have 16.000 jews transfered to this place and no trace of them...any explanation?

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Re: More Catholics than Jews died at Auschwitz

Postby Carto's Cutlass Supreme » 4 years 9 months ago (Sun Feb 10, 2013 10:56 pm)

68,000 deaths couldn't just be Auschwitz 1. It must include Birkenau.


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