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Re: Oskar Groning - 'I saw the gas chambers...'

Postby Jurgen » 4 years 11 months ago (Tue Apr 21, 2015 3:22 pm)

What gets me, is what does this little quote have to do with what this man is or is not guilty of?

He recalled how a fellow guard discovered a baby abandoned among luggage and bashed it against a truck to stop its crying.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=11436256

A unprovable atrocity story near the beginning of the article designed to shock and infuriate the reader? To cause outrage? When the comment has nothing to do with the topic of the article?

I am also pretty sure that the Germans had some very strict rules on their code of conduct? I recall reading somewhere about a number of their soldiers who were executed for rape and/or murder. I cannot find the reference though. So I would imagine that if an Auschwitz guard was seen (and hopefully reported!) doing this, he would (or should) have been disciplined.
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Re: Oskar Groning - 'I saw the gas chambers...'

Postby Jurgen » 4 years 11 months ago (Tue Apr 21, 2015 4:51 pm)

Even look at the title of the article on the front page....nothing to do with the actual trial..
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Re: Oskar Groning - 'I saw the gas chambers...'

Postby Hektor » 4 years 11 months ago (Tue Apr 21, 2015 5:28 pm)

Maly Jacek wrote:Not very likely he will be allowed to talk to anyone specially revisionists. I would not expect a lot from this orchestrated, mock -trail - he will simply recite what they want to hear in hope of light sentence. What it does show is how desperate they have become....

It would be worth a try.

But I'm certain that any interview will only be allowed to be published after his death. Just as in the case of the Spiegel interview with Martin Heidegger.

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Re: Oskar Groning - 'I saw the gas chambers...'

Postby Hannover » 4 years 11 months ago (Tue Apr 21, 2015 6:21 pm)

He recalled how a fellow guard discovered a baby abandoned among luggage and bashed it against a truck to stop its crying.

Right. Mass murder at Auschwitz was supposedly a top secret government operation, but here we allegedly have a baby being killed in the open for all to see.

Groening, 93, is clearly a senile elder that was easily brow beaten into saying some utterly impossible tales.

Reminds me of the absurd statements by Jew "survivors" such as:
the endlessly repeated process swallowing diamonds and crapping them out every day, a Jew saved himself by breathing through a keyhole, a Jew stood inside a gas chamber but was not gassed because the Germans miraculously ran out of gas, the SS made sausages in the crematorium, SS held bicycle races in the 'gas chambers', a Jew woman jumped a nine foot fence and then killed the armed guards pursuing her, a Jew said he had a kidney removed without anesthesia, Jews were killed with delayed action poison gas so they could walk themselves to the mass graves, on & on & on.
And how about the tens of thousands of "witnesses", "confessions", & "survivors" of witchcraft & sorcery ... all of which was proven in courts of law.

No verifiable excavations of alleged enormous mass graves and the enormous remains of Jews contained can be shown, therefore no 'holocaust' as alleged. Rational thinking 101.

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Re: Oskar Groning - 'I saw the gas chambers...'

Postby Inquisitor » 4 years 11 months ago (Tue Apr 21, 2015 7:54 pm)

This is all such obvious "post-holocaust" political theater. This old man is clearly just saying what he thinks he must, or has been explicitly instructed to say - just as he apparently has for decades. The bashing of baby heads is a particularly transparent example of lazy, unoriginal atrocity-propaganda and stands out as an obvious red-flag to any Revisionist-minded person.

This "trial" serves one true purpose - and that is to get another "confession" of a "genuine Nazi" on the record and disseminated uncritically to the world. "See...he ADMITS it," the usual-suspects will thunder, as if the possibility/probability of his "confessions" being totally scripted and calculated never occurred to them. And the media just repeat these "admissions" again and again, and the gullible and unsuspecting lap it all up. The average person has no idea that those like Groening must, for all intents and purposes, "confess" in this fashion by law, and for his own personal defense. This "Yes it happened - I saw it myself...but I had nothing to do with it" is the go-to defense strategy - if you can even really call it that. But they haven't much choice in the matter - since you can't legally deny it happened and so forth, what else can one do BUT "confess?"


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Re: Oskar Groning - 'I saw the gas chambers...'

Postby Hektor » 4 years 11 months ago (Tue Apr 21, 2015 9:14 pm)

Except for being a grotesque, cliche-like theme of atrocity propaganda. There is obvious no advantage for him in telling this, unless it is a priori agreed on.

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Re: Oskar Groning - 'I saw the gas chambers...'

Postby hermod » 4 years 11 months ago (Tue Apr 21, 2015 10:47 pm)

I won't believe in Gröning's bashed babies until I hear the daughter of the Kuwaiti ambassador to the United States talk about it publicly... :roll:






Ditto for Gröning's gas chambers: I need to see a headline in The Jewish Press...at least.

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Re: Oskar Groning - 'I saw the gas chambers...'

Postby borjastick » 4 years 11 months ago (Wed Apr 22, 2015 1:27 am)

I can't help thinking that Groening's so called confession of guilt by association is being coerced out of him by use of threat. IOW they have threatened his family or made some other squeeze on him. Why on earth would a man of his age roll over and say what he knows isn't true. He was there but was not involved in anything that has since been re-engineered into the holocaust.

If it were me at his age in a similar situation I would go public and say 'F--k you and f--k the horse you rode into town on. It didn't happen and in any case I wasn't involved. What are you going to do that in any way hurts me?'.
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Re: Oskar Groning - 'I saw the gas chambers...'

Postby Inquisitor » 4 years 11 months ago (Wed Apr 22, 2015 2:08 am)

Not to beat this matter to death - but I also wouldn't totally rule out a simple type of "false/made up memory" syndrome that could be at work here as well. While I suspect the true reasons for these admissions have mostly been covered already, it is certainly not beyond the realm of possibility that this man, even as early as the mid 1980's (when he would already have been getting on a bit in age no less) had been heavily influenced by decades of propaganda, threats, fear, "denazification" and the like. I suspect more than a few that "were there" have questioned their own actual memories and recall at some point, in the face of the withering campaign of "holocaust/evil-Nazi" agitprop. How long before one's imagination starts to get the best of them? How long before you start to believe you saw various things via power of suggestion that you never have?

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/26/scien ... .html?_r=0

The vagaries of human memory are notorious. A friend insists you were at your 15th class reunion when you know it was your 10th. You distinctly remember that another friend was at your wedding, until she reminds you that you didn’t invite her. Or, more seriously, an eyewitness misidentifies the perpetrator of a terrible crime.

Not only are false, or mistaken, memories common in normal life, but researchers have found it relatively easy to generate false memories of words and images in human subjects. But exactly what goes on in the brain when mistaken memories are formed has remained mysterious.


And either way, as has already been noted, this is yet again one man's claim with nothing whatever tangible/physical to support it. Anyone who looks at at this "trial" objectively has to concede that his reasons/motivations for making these claims are highly suspect, given the legal situation that rigidly defines what can or cannot be said in one's defense, etc. standing the very concept of fair, Western jurisprudence on its head!

In other words, it's all just more of the same old same old...

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Re: Oskar Groning - 'I saw the gas chambers...'

Postby Kingfisher » 4 years 11 months ago (Wed Apr 22, 2015 3:58 am)

The bashed baby may possibly be true but even if it is, a random act of brutality by one man proves nothing one way or the other. It's much more important for it's psychological value. It's a kind of "warm-up act". It establishes the "evil Nazis" image right from the start so the readers or viewers are primed to believe whatever they are told that fits this image.

Standard propaganda technique. Applied psychology a la Edward Bernays. The media have all bought into the story and just play along unquestioningly. After all, if they did question it, goodbye career.

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Re: Oskar Groning - 'I saw the gas chambers...'

Postby unsubscribe » 4 years 11 months ago (Wed Apr 22, 2015 12:16 pm)

It's cherry picking at its finest. If a story about a "bashed baby" can prove the Holo happened, then a story about an act of kindness should prove it didn't. Standard hypocrisy lives on.

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Re: Oskar Groning - 'I saw the gas chambers...'

Postby Hannover » 4 years 11 months ago (Wed Apr 22, 2015 12:26 pm)

the Groening quote was:
He recalled how a fellow guard discovered a baby abandoned among luggage and bashed it against a truck to stop its crying.

The storyline states that all children, elderly, sick, anyone unable to work were 'placed on a ramp and selected for immediate gassing'. So how does this baby find itself "abandoned among the luggage"? Luggage which camp staff placed and stored. And since the storage area was an enclosed facility, how does a "truck" find itself among the luggage?
The lie is not even possible according to the marketed storyline.
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Re: Oskar Groning - 'I saw the gas chambers...'

Postby borjastick » 4 years 11 months ago (Thu Apr 23, 2015 3:03 am)

It's interesting how the press are developing this story as the days go by.

They, some at least, are manipulating and speculating the reasons behind his recantation and supposedly truthful admission. They seem to have zero problems with him claiming what he says because he was there. That somehow, at least for the uninformed, is good enough.

One paper, Huff Post, I think says that he wants to stop deniers and his time in court will strengthen the holocaust story because he was there and knows what happened.

Of course no one, including those on the message boards, wants to acknowledge, let alone confront and deal with the science and evidence, or lack of. They all assume that the Hungarians jews, the deaths of which he is accused of being complicit in, were definitely killed on arrival, there is no doubt. They, the message board warriors, spout witness statements as though they are Gospel. They will not listen to reason when asked why the numbers dropped, the witness claim crazy things, the bodies and remains have never been shown and there is no gas chamber in Auschwitz. When asked to show evidence they immediately call me a Nazi, holocaust denier and jew hater. That's ok then because why answer a question when you can simply abuse the other party and walk off for a bagel and coffee?

I sense this story on Oskar's trial has some way to run and could open up in directions that we haven't anticipated.
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Re: Oskar Groning - 'I saw the gas chambers...'

Postby Hannover » 4 years 11 months ago (Thu Apr 23, 2015 6:13 am)

borjastick:
I sense this story on Oskar's trial has some way to run and could open up in directions that we haven't anticipated.

What's obvious is the fact that there IS debate going on. Granted, the hasbara Jewish supremacist liars use underhanded tactics and name calling which in the end is being recognized as the trash and desperate intimidation that it is. The dodging of real debate and the shouting down of the growing body of skeptics is backfiring.
Realize that just a short time ago there were few openly voiced contrary opinions in the blogosphere, now it's everywhere.

Defending contradiction filled, scientifically impossible propaganda reminds me of this rule:

'Always tell the truth, it's easier to remember.'

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Re: Oskar Groning - 'I saw the gas chambers...'

Postby Hannover » 4 years 11 months ago (Thu Apr 23, 2015 7:49 am)

also note in the BBC article:
I was on the ramp when the selections [for the gas chambers] took place.

The bracketed "gas chambers" has been added by the BBC.

Only lies require text manipulation.

For more on the scientifically impossible gas chambers see:
Cyanide Chemistry at Auschwitz

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