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Russia moves to criminalize Holo. denial / letter to Putin

Postby phdnm » 6 years 11 months ago (Tue Mar 26, 2013 8:23 am)

One more country on the list ...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laws_again ... ust_denial


Russia moves to criminalize Holocaust denial

The Russian lower house has received a new bill suggesting up to five years in prison for publicly denying the Holocaust or portraying Nazis as heroes.

The sponsor of the bill is Boris Shpigel, an Upper House member who recently submitted his resignation after being elected president of international rights group 'World without Nazism,' as Russian laws do not allow senators to hold leading posts in foreign or international organizations.

The new bill suggests amending the Criminal Code article on inciting hatred or humiliation of human dignity. The current draft would criminalize the rehabilitation of Nazism, portraying Nazis or their aides as heroes, Holocaust denial and also humiliating the dignity of individuals or groups on the basis of gender, race, ethnicity, language, background, religion or belonging to a social group. These offenses would be prosecuted if committed in public or in mass media.

The amendments would punish such crimes with fines ranging from 100,000 to 300,000 rubles (from $3,300 to $10,000), correctional labor for up to two years or, in severe cases, prison terms of up to two years. If the crime is committed through abuse of office or together with threats of violence, the fines are raised to 500,000 rubles (under $17,000) and a maximum prison term of five years.

Russian law mandates punishment for inciting racial and ethnic hatred, and Nazi movements are outlawed in the country. However, these norms have not been formalized into a single legislative act. Last May, the Parliamentary Assembly of the Russian-led Commonwealth of Independent States (CIS) political bloc approved a model law aimed at countering the glorification of Nazism, prioritizing mandatory punishment for such crimes.

Russian law enforcement has also noted a rise in nationalist sentiment in society, and called for rapid approval of laws to combat this threat.

The CIS model law also suggested the establishment of a special body to counter the rehabilitation of Nazism, which would inform society about the problem and present annual reports. However, this provision was not included in the Russian bill.


http://rt.com/politics/denial-holocaust ... ussia-853/

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Re: Russia moves to criminalize Holocaust denial

Postby Hannover » 6 years 11 months ago (Tue Mar 26, 2013 12:48 pm)

The author of this bill is Boris Shpigel, a racist Zionist, Jewish supremacist .. one & the same actually. He also heads a bizarre organization called World Without Nazism, another source of profit for him and those like him. A World Without Zionist would be a far more healthy and factual endeavor.

Note that the article mentions nationalism as a "threat". I guess some folks have never been to an Olympic event, World Cup, World Baseball Classic, on & on, where nationalism and cultural chauvinism rule the roost. Of course the article conveniently omits the fact that this Boris Shpigel character has close ties to ultra-nationalist and apartheid 'Israel'.

Since there is no proof for the laughable 'holocaust' we get laws and advocacy for laws censoring free speech about the absurd claims. There is no better example of the 'holocaust' story line being a fraud than laws which prevent scrutiny of it. Truth needs no such protection.

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Re: Russia moves to criminalize Holocaust denial

Postby borjastick » 6 years 11 months ago (Tue Mar 26, 2013 3:24 pm)

True indeed but I for one am surprised it has taken Russia so long to get stuck into this one. After all they seem to be the main generators of all the lies and wrongful accusations, against Germany, immediately after the war, and of course at the Nuremburg trials farce.
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Re: Russia moves to criminalize Holocaust denial

Postby Jerzy Ulicki-Rek » 6 years 11 months ago (Tue Mar 26, 2013 7:36 pm)

Hannover:"Note that the article mentions nationalism as a "threat".

Very important point.
That's what I stressed as well commenting this info in our forum.
Holo-protection madness speaks for itself:)
Truth doesn't have to be protected .

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Re: Russia moves to criminalize Holocaust denial

Postby phdnm » 6 years 10 months ago (Fri Mar 29, 2013 12:29 am)

Russian Bill on Holocaust Denial Prompts Anti-Jew Feedbacks

Hatred of Jews is alive and well in Russia. Legislators have proposed that a new law impose harsh punishment for Holocaust denial, but Feedbacks are overwhelming negative: “Jews are cockroaches.”

The Russian lower house is considering a new bill proposing to five years in prison for publicly denying the Holocaust or portraying Nazis as heroes, the Russian RT.com website reported, but Feedbacks revealed overwhelming anti-Jewish hate.

The current Russian law only outlaws Nazi movements and incitement of racial and ethnic hatred.

The sponsor of the bill is Boris Shpigel, who was and Upper House member who had to resign in order to be allowed to served as president of international rights group ‘”World without Nazism,.”

The new bill would also allow for the imposition of a fine from $3,300-$10,000m in addition to jail, for portraying Nazis or their aides as heroes, for Holocaust denial and for humiliating the dignity of individuals or groups on the basis of gender, race, ethnicity, language, background, religion or belonging to a social group.

Judging by a random sample of 328 Feedbacks to the article on the Russian site, there is a lot of hatred of Jews out there.

Some choice comments, with unedited spellings, were:

– I thought Russia is safe from jews now but big surpise the cochraches are all over and moving again;

–as satan the father of lies is hiding from the dark so do the jews of being exposed from the treth;

–My grandfather fought in WW2, and freed a concentration camp, it’s not a lie.

– USA converted jew to christianity Brother Nathaneal fights zionist in america..God bless him

– THE HOLOCAUST ..WITH THIS LIE ,THE JEWS TOOK OVER THE WORLD.

– The Russian people suffered most at the hands of the jews. These laws are being pushed by the jews.


http://www.jewishpress.com/news/russian ... 013/03/28/

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Re: Russia moves to criminalize Holocaust denial

Postby Kingfisher » 6 years 10 months ago (Fri Mar 29, 2013 6:52 am)

Anti-Jewish feeling in Russia was no doubt stoked by the behaviour of the oligarchs and crooks, mostly Jewish, who pretty well bought the country under Yeltsin. Most Westerners have little understanding of this because the oligarchs and mobsters are always described as "Russian", though names like "Abramovich" and "Fridman" do tend to be a giveaway.

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Re: Russia moves to criminalize Holocaust denial

Postby Spect3r » 6 years 10 months ago (Fri Mar 29, 2013 8:44 am)

Being a large part of the Holocaust based in Russian "evidence", this comes as no surprise.
And as this comment puts it (and well):

– The Russian people suffered most at the hands of the jews. These laws are being pushed by the jews.


Jews have been rolling the dices for long time in Russia, so...


What really bothers me in all of this is that meanwhile Lenin, Stalin, Mao, and all the Communist lunatics keep being praised worldwide (just look at the commemorations of the 1st of May, specially in Europe), even knowing that just Stalin killed countless more people than the Nazis ever did.
Go figure :roll:
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Re: Russia moves to criminalize Holo. denial / letter to Put

Postby astro3 » 6 years 6 months ago (Thu Aug 15, 2013 12:47 pm)

Letter to Putin
I got the urge to write to Putin over this, and sent a draft to Paul Eisen, who posted it:
http://pauleisen.blogspot.co.uk/2013/08 ... dimir.html

Dear Vladimir,

We are glad to hear that you have expressed a commitment that “Future generations should know the truth about WWII heroes,” and that ““We must keep and defend the truth about the war,” whereby future generations will be able “to distinguish the truth from blatant and cynical lies.” The best possible way to do that, is to fund Russian university history departments, whereby they can ascertain that truth, so important to all of us. The worst possible way to do that, is to make certain historical views a crime, so that you will have to start putting Russian historians in jail if they reach alleged ‘wrong’ conclusions.

May we request a clarification? In January 1945, the Soviet army liberated the Auschwitz camps, and seized all of its ‘death books’ with the records of all persons who had died there. Then in May 1945 Russia announced its figure of four and a half million deaths at the Auschwitz camp during the war, which became the basis of the ‘six million Jews’ killed by the Nazis. Then in 1989 president Gorbachov made public these Death Book records, which were finally published (in English) in 1995. These volumes record a total of twenty-nine thousand Jews as having died at Auschwitz during the war, and does not record them as having been murdered.

Will it become a crime for Russian citizens to allude to this total figure, of Jewish deaths at Auschwitz, from the Death Books seized by the Red Army in 1945? These volumes record more Catholics than Jews as having died in the Auschwitz camp, will it be a crime to mention this too?

Secondly, concerning the ‘Gas Chamber’ in the main Auschwitz base-camp, which thirty million tourists are supposed to have visited, we trust you will agree that this is a postwar construct, built for tourists by Stalin in 1946? Will it soon become a crime for Russians to discuss this fact? (Sources: David Cole video ‘Auschwitz’ 1991, or Robert Jan Van pelt, 'Auschwitz 1290 to the Present')

You are considering legislation that would give up to five years in prison for Russian citizens “questioning the actions of the allies during WWII.” The Allies dropped two million tons of bombs onto central Europe during WWII, especially on German cities: are you sure it is wise to jail anyone who has doubts about this policy? How will you be able to promote customary international laws of war if you do not permit questioning of that policy?

We do hope you will guard freedom of thought amongst your Russian intelligentsia as a sacred treasure, and that your Russian police will remain in their proper area - whereby they prevent crime involving physical harm, and do not start arresting people for their beliefs. Once you have passed this Thought-crime legislation, it may be hard for others to undo it.

Please accept our great admiration for your fine achievements,

Yours truly, ....

They make it easy to post such a letter http://eng.letters.kremlin.ru/ but I'm not sure if mine got through. (NB the 'We' was because I hoped some others would co-sign it but they didn't in the event)

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Re: Russia moves to criminalize Holo. denial / letter to Putin

Postby k0nsl » 4 years 5 months ago (Fri Sep 04, 2015 3:22 am)

Hm, some [presumably] ordinary Russian do not want to come to terms with their politicians/leaders criminalising 'holocaust'-denial, despite what the law says:

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No relevant replies after that! :roll:

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Re: Russia moves to criminalize Holo. denial / letter to Putin

Postby Hektor » 4 years 5 months ago (Fri Sep 04, 2015 5:23 am)

You just caught a wordist, K0nsl.

I just wonder, whether they're going to drop that "law" anytime soon.


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