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Open Challenge to the ARC site members to debate us here

Postby Hannover » 6 years 7 months ago (Wed Apr 10, 2013 1:15 pm)

Here's an open challenge for debate to those who contribute to the Action Reinhard camps website:
http://www.deathcamps.org
They are encouraged to defend their positions which we have already been addressed in numerous threads here, and attempt to show us that their positions are correct.

Their offer to discuss issues with Revisionists is insincere and manipulative at best.
from: viewtopic.php?f=2&t=7765
Here we are, a debate forum for over a decade, open to all who adhere to very basic guidelines, and they want Revisionists to send an email on a particular position to their 'secretary'. That is not debate. That is picking and choosing which argument to reply to without there being a debate open to others. They will not be compelled to answer logically, rationally, without dodging, obfuscation, and without strawman arguments. IOW, they can simply say 'this is our position and we win'.

And, in every instance of the positions they take on their site regarding the laughable 'holocaust' storyline we have already demolished their claims, one by one. Where are they in trying to respond to what we have already refuted?


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If it can't happen as alleged, then it didn't.

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Re: Open Challenge to the ARC site members to debate us her

Postby Enlightened Student » 6 years 7 months ago (Wed Apr 10, 2013 1:53 pm)

That site is a joke. I have been there a few times. Many fo the links especially in the gas chambers section conveniently dont work. The "witness" testimony is laughable at best. If you read the testimony most if it doesn't make sense meaning it has been altered.

What I would like to know, and this will take some research, is when a thread is posted here crushing their lies if there page is suddenly modified to show something different. For example, and this is strictly an example and not fact, If there is a thread on date April 10 2010 on the construction of the doors on the gas chamber uncovering that it would be impossible to be a gas chamber does there site get modified on date April 10 2010 or a few days or weeks later to cover up the original lie. You can do this once you are on their site by right clicking and then clicking on view page info it will show the date the site was modified. Does this make sense...

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Re: Open Challenge to the ARC site members to debate us her

Postby Jim Voss » 6 years 7 months ago (Wed Apr 10, 2013 2:03 pm)

Nice. This is exactly what I was planning to post today.

Hannover

Their offer to discuss issues with Revisionists is insincere and manipulative at best.


If they were men of character, they would defend their claims by answering all relevant questions related to the "information" found on their website.

The fact that they run from honest debate says it all.


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That site is a joke.


Obviously.

How can anyone take it seriously when the people who run it don't have the character to defend its content?

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Re: Open Challenge to the ARC site members to debate us her

Postby borjastick » 6 years 7 months ago (Thu Apr 11, 2013 4:40 am)

Strangely where they come up short is in the big questions. They are very good at extrapolating data and witness statements and the small stuff but hate being questioned on the big stuff, like where are the bodies, where are the gas chambers, where was the material to cremate the hundreds of thousands, where exactly are the claimed mass graves of the 1-2 million jews shot by the einsatzgruppen?

They preach to the stupid or those who only want reinforcement of their own existing beliefs.

I love the thought of a proper open debate because they will lose, which is why they won't do it, sadly.
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Re: Open Challenge to the ARC site members to debate us her

Postby Jim Voss » 6 years 6 months ago (Fri Apr 12, 2013 2:32 pm)

borjastick

where exactly are the claimed mass graves of the 1-2 million jews shot by the einsatzgruppen?


We know where the 70 alleged graves of Belzec, Chelmno, Sobibor and Treblinka that allegedly contain the remains of approximately 2 million jews are claimed to be:


The thing that has to be done now, so that everyone is on the same page, is to identify each one of the 70 fraudulently alleged “graves” that are spuriously claimed to exist at Belzec, Chelmno, Sobibor and Treblinka:


Belzec - 33 alleged “graves.” Each of the fraudulently alleged “graves” (#1/1 though #33/33 of the alleged 70) are identified and numbered on the maps shown on pages 117 & 118, and the alleged dimensions of the fraudulently alleged 33 “graves” can be found on page 73, in this link here:

http://www.onethirdoftheholocaust.com/belzec.pdf


Chelmno - 15 alleged “graves.” Each of the fraudulently alleged “graves” (#1/34 though #15/48 of the alleged 70) are allegedly identified on this map here:

http://www.deathcamps.org/occupation...lmnoforest.jpg

Alleged “grave” #1/34 is claimed to be - “irregular in shape; the width of the northern part 8 meters and narrows by 3 meters towards the south. Its length equals 62 meters.” Alleged depth? - “Unknown.”

Alleged “grave” #2/35 is claimed to be - “total length equals 254 meters.” Alleged width? - “Unknown.” Alleged depth? - “3 meters.”

Alleged “grave” #3/36 is claimed to be - “length 174 meters, width 8 meters.” Alleged depth? - “Unknown.”

Alleged “grave” #4/37 is claimed to be - “Its actual width equals 10 meters, while its length is 182 meters.” Alleged depth? - “Unknown.”

Alleged “grave” #5/38 is claimed to be - “from 9 x 7.5 meters to 15.50 x 8.50 meters.” Alleged depth? - “About 4 meters.” It is the most southerly of the 11 alleged “mass graves” in an alleged line of “mass graves” that make up what is fraudulently called “grave # 5.”

Alleged “grave” #6/39 is claimed to be - “from 9 x 7.5 meters to 15.50 x 8.50 meters.” Alleged depth? - “About 4 meters.” It is the 2nd alleged “mass grave” (moving south to north) in the line of the 11 alleged “mass graves” that make up what is fraudulently called “grave # 5.”

Alleged “grave” #7/40 is claimed to be - “from 9 x 7.5 meters to 15.50 x 8.50 meters.” Alleged depth? - “About 4 meters.” It is the 3rd alleged “mass grave” (moving south to north) in the line of the 11 alleged “mass graves” that make up what is fraudulently called “grave # 5.”

Alleged “grave” #8/41 is claimed to be - “from 9 x 7.5 meters to 15.50 x 8.50 meters.” Alleged depth? - “About 4 meters.” It is the 4th alleged “mass grave” (moving south to north) in the line of the 11 alleged “mass graves” that make up what is fraudulently called “grave # 5.”

Alleged “grave” #9/42 is claimed to be - “from 9 x 7.5 meters to 15.50 x 8.50 meters.” Alleged depth? - “About 4 meters.” It is the 5th alleged “mass grave” (moving south to north) in the line of the 11 alleged “mass graves” that make up what is fraudulently called “grave # 5.”

Alleged “grave” #10/43 is claimed to be - “from 9 x 7.5 meters to 15.50 x 8.50 meters.” Alleged depth? - “About 4 meters.” It is the 6th alleged “mass grave” (moving south to north) in the line of the 11 alleged “mass graves” that make up what is fraudulently called “grave # 5.”

Alleged “grave” #11/44 is claimed to be - “from 9 x 7.5 meters to 15.50 x 8.50 meters.” Alleged depth? - “About 4 meters.” It is the 7th alleged “mass grave” (moving south to north) in the line of the 11 alleged “mass graves” that make up what is fraudulently called “grave # 5.”

Alleged “grave” #12/45 is claimed to be - “from 9 x 7.5 meters to 15.50 x 8.50 meters.” Alleged depth? - “About 4 meters.” It is the 8th alleged “mass grave” (moving south to north) in the line of the 11 alleged “mass graves” that make up what is fraudulently called “grave # 5.”

Alleged “grave” #13/46 is claimed to be - “from 9 x 7.5 meters to 15.50 x 8.50 meters.” Alleged depth? - “About 4 meters.” It is the 9th alleged “mass grave” (moving south to north) in the line of the 11 alleged “mass graves” that make up what is fraudulently called “grave # 5.”

Alleged “grave” #14/47 is claimed to be - “from 9 x 7.5 meters to 15.50 x 8.50 meters.” Alleged depth? - “About 4 meters.” It is the 10th alleged “mass grave” (moving south to north) in the line of the 11 alleged “mass graves” that make up what is fraudulently called “grave # 5.”

Alleged “grave” #15/48 is claimed to be - “from 9 x 7.5 meters to 15.50 x 8.50 meters.” Alleged depth? - “About 4 meters.” It is the most northerly of the 11 alleged “mass graves” in an alleged line of “mass graves” that make up what is fraudulently called “grave # 5.”


Sobibor - 11 alleged “graves.” Each of the fraudulently alleged “graves” (#1/49 though #10/58 of the alleged 70) are allegedly shown on this map here:

http://www.deathcamps.org/Sobibor/pic/sobibor.jpg

Alleged “grave” #1/49 is claimed to be - “20 x 20 meters with a depth of up to 4.30 meters.”

Alleged “grave” #2/50 is claimed to be - “irregular in shape, measuring at least 20 x 25 meters with a depth of up to 4 meters.”

Alleged “grave” #3/51 is claimed to be - “irregular in shape, measuring around 20 x 12 meters with a depth of up to 5.80 meters.”

Alleged “grave” #4/52 is claimed to be - “70 x 20 - 25 meters with a depth of around 5 meters.”

Alleged “grave” #5/53 is claimed to be - “irregular in shape, measuring at least 10 - 12 meters with a depth of up to 4.90 meters.”

Alleged “grave” #6/54 is claimed to be - “irregular in shape, measuring at least 15 x 25 meters with a depth of up to 3.05 meters.”

Alleged “grave” #7/55 is claimed to be - “at least 10 x 3 meters with a depth of up to 0.90 meters.”

Alleged “grave” #8/56 is the fraudulently alleged “ash mound” / monument.

Alleged “grave” #9/57 is the fraudulently alleged western-most so-called “forest grave.”

Alleged “grave” #10/58 is the fraudulently alleged eastern-most so-called “forest grave.”

Alleged “grave” #11/59 is the fraudulently alleged “mystery grave” claimed to have been discovered by Yoram Haimi “sometime in early 2011” - Alleged size and location is - a mystery!


Treblinka - 11 alleged “graves.” Each of the fraudulently alleged “graves” (#1/60 though #11/70 of the alleged 70) are allegedly shown on this map here:

http://forum.codoh.info/download/file.php?id=622&t=1

Alleged “grave” #1/60 is claimed to be - the northernmost of the 5 pits in a row on the eastern edge of the camp.

Alleged “grave” #2/61 is claimed to be - the 2nd northernmost of the 5 pits in a row on the eastern edge of the camp.

Alleged “grave” #3/62 is claimed to be - the 3rd northernmost of the 5 pits in a row on the eastern edge of the camp.

Alleged “grave” #4/63 is claimed to be - the 4th northernmost of the 5 pits in a row on the eastern edge of the camp.

Alleged “grave” #5/64 is claimed to be - the southernmost of the 5 pits in a row on the eastern edge of the camp.

Alleged “grave” #6/65 is claimed to be - the single, small rectangular trench in the north central area of the camp.

Alleged “grave” #7/66 is claimed to be - the northernmost of the two small pits in the south central area of the camp.

Alleged “grave” #8/67 is claimed to be - the southernmost of the two small pits in the south central area of the camp.

Alleged “grave” #9/68 is claimed to be - the single, large pit in the area that is claimed to be the former reception area of the camp.

Alleged “grave” #10/69 is claimed to be - the northernmost of the two large pits in the south eastern area of the camp.

Alleged “grave” #11/70 is claimed to be - the southernmost of the two large pits in the south eastern area of the camp.

http://nafcash.com/



This is so simple.

How hard would it be for the ARC members to come here and answer questions about these alleged graves?

Why are they so afraid to share with us the knowledge that they claim to have about these alleged graves?


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