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Re: 'Boots' of the D Icke forum / 'gas chambers'

Postby borjastick » 7 years 2 months ago (Fri Apr 12, 2013 3:08 am)

This Boots character posting on David Icke's website is a bit like the blind leading the stupid is it not. He is obviously posting there because he feels it is a soft touch and that he will get an easy ride from an uninformed audience.

Most of us on Codoh Forum are at the very least reasonably well read on the key points of the holocaust claims and the counter claims and scientific analysis of them such as the Leuchter Report. I also find the standard argument against us fatally flawed too. This argument as used by Boots is that we are all nazis, jew haters, neo nazis etc etc. This is designed to tar us with the same brush as another argument that we are all anti semitic, fascist loving heathen bastards.

The beauty of this forum is that we are required to think, to present our thinking and arguments from a position of at the very least considered thought and having applied some intelligence. As for our politics, this is private. We are all different people, from different countries and backgrounds and intellect and education. No doubt some of us are right wing fanatics, some are centre, some will even be socialist,left wingers. It doesn't matter and isn't an issue. I neither know the politics of Hannover, astro3 and hermod nor do I consider it important. I am very open about my politics because I have nothing to hide and also sadly because I am very traditonal and boring.

If Boots thinks he has a solid argument, a reasoned argument that can influence the holocaust debate then bring it here and state the case. But the bar is somewhat higher here than it may well be on Mr Icke's site or RODOH etc. This is because we don't believe the traditional narrative of the holocaust story and want it proved to us. When we look we do not find pure and logical proof and evidence that stacks up. They on the other hand come to the argument so bent out of shape with prejudice and anger that they are unable to take a step back and look afresh at what they see.

So I ask Boots to come here, drop your faux anger and present your case for debate and response. I suspect though that these Boots aren't made for walking...
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Re: 'Boots' of the D Icke forum / 'gas chambers'

Postby Mortimer » 7 years 2 months ago (Fri Apr 12, 2013 3:43 am)

georgesmiley wrote:thanks for the reply which i have reposted the the icke forum

i expect him to ask me to go on rodoh or nizkor to debate

to diffuse the argument

it will be interesting if he appears here but i doubt it

Boots is making a big deal about Fred Leuchter not being a registered engineer. But what about the Luftl Report? http://codoh.com/library/document/2383 Walter Luftl was the head of the Austrian engineers association and a court recognised witness in many legal cases. Ask Boots if he can try and debunk the Luftl Report.
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Re: 'Boots' of the D Icke forum / 'gas chambers'

Postby Bob » 7 years 2 months ago (Fri Apr 12, 2013 6:28 am)

Mortimer wrote:Boots is making a big deal about Fred Leuchter not being a registered engineer.


This demonstrates common double standard, hypocrisy and bad faith of exterminationists, they complain about it when they need it, but they are completely silent and they have no problem when it comes to Pressac (not a historian nor engineer), Hilberg (not a historian nor engineer nor chemist), Pelt (historian of architecture, not an engineer nor chemist) and so on.

The reason for this approach is easy to understand, when exterminationist cannot attack a message then one needs to attack a messenger.

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Re: 'Boots' of the D Icke forum / 'gas chambers'

Postby blake121666 » 7 years 2 months ago (Fri Apr 12, 2013 8:44 am)

Bob's posting reinforces this "Boots" person's position. Apparently Boots is saying that there is little Prussian Blue in the alleged homicidal gas chambers because there is little cyanide needed to kill a person versus killing a bug. Bob comes back with a difficult to understand: "traces of cyanide can be present without any blue pigment". Even if this were true (cyanide is not a stable element and of course most likely would not be found 50 years later), this position reinforces the contention that people were killed with Zyklon-B in these alleged HGCs. So Bob reinforces Boots position and behaves like he has done otherwise. A refutation of Boots would be to show that Prussian Blue would in fact show up on the alleged HGC walls - which is one of Leuchter's arguments in the Leuchter report and Rudolf's contention as well. Bob is the one who needs to straighten out his reasoning here.

Per Mortimer's post, Boots waves away the Luftl report as well in that Icke thread. Boots' arguments are skin-deep denialism of valid views which are corroborated by the physical evidence at hand. Boots should realize that the Holocaust storyline is the one that requires evidence backing it up, not the denial of that storyline which is the obvious position to take on its face given the physical impossibility of its key elements, the proven falsity of so many of its claims even within the standard view, and the public hysterical lies of world Jewry both historically and nowadays.

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Re: 'Boots' of the D Icke forum / 'gas chambers'

Postby Bob » 7 years 2 months ago (Fri Apr 12, 2013 10:05 am)

blake121666 wrote:Bob's posting reinforces this "Boots" person's position. Apparently Boots is saying that there is little Prussian Blue in the alleged homicidal gas chambers [...][/b]


And I pointed out that contrary to what Boots claims, there aren´t any traces of Prussian Blue as is clear since the lack of Prussian Blue is one of the most known and discussed issue. Prussian Blue is a name for specific iron cyanide compounds which are notable for their extremely stable and visible blue pigment. Prussian Blue is not a name for all cyanide compounds detected in the walls as this "Boots" believe. So there are little traces of cyanide (mainly in the form of iron cyanide, albeit the levels are so low that are in the order of magnitude of places like washroom, bavarian house or inmate barracks) and there is no Prussian Blue.

blake121666 wrote:Bob comes back with a difficult to understand: "traces of cyanide can be present without any blue pigment". Even if this were true (cyanide is not a stable element and of course most likely would not be found 50 years later)


When I spoke of "cyanide" I of course spoke about cyanide obtained from the compounds formed in the walls and not that they obtained cyanide itself directly from the wall.

I am lost how I allegedly reinforced his position when I pointed out this flaw about allegedly presented "little traces of Prussian Blue." This flaw is similar to the others like this for instance: "suitability of the brickwork to the formation of HCN"

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Re: 'Boots' of the D Icke forum / 'gas chambers'

Postby Turpitz » 7 years 2 months ago (Fri Apr 12, 2013 11:32 am)

The David Icke website is a hot-bed of Marxist fondlers, who are always going to need the Jewish myth of the Industry as a crutch to use, to portray themselves as the goodies and give a reason for the hideous butchery and murder they carried out in Europe for the Jewish Banking System. Without the Industry horseshit there is only one bad guy and it isn't the Nazis and don't the lefties know it. Oh yes, and once again, as usual, they shout: Murder! Murder! But cannot produce a body.

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Re: 'Boots' of the D Icke forum / 'gas chambers'

Postby Hannover » 7 years 2 months ago (Fri Apr 12, 2013 12:20 pm)

Blake,
You are barking up the wrong tree. Bob has explained the matter to you.

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Re: 'Boots' of the D Icke forum / 'gas chambers'

Postby georgesmiley » 7 years 2 months ago (Fri Apr 12, 2013 12:44 pm)

Thank all for taking an interest in this topic.

i will take a closer look at the thread Hannover suggested. But a brief question - does it exonerate the Leuchter and Rudolf from the implied deficiency in what was posted at Icke?

I need to be careful as my invitation to Boots to come here (plus the tone in which i did It , has resulted in a minor discplinary action from the moderators at the icke forum

thanks again

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Re: 'Boots' of the D Icke forum / 'gas chambers'

Postby Hannover » 7 years 2 months ago (Fri Apr 12, 2013 12:59 pm)

georgesmiley wrote:Thank all for taking an interest in this topic.

i will take a closer look at the thread Hannover suggested. But a brief question - does it exonerate the Leuchter and Rudolf from the implied deficiency in what was posted at Icke?

I need to be careful as my invitation to Boots to come here (plus the tone in which i did It , has resulted in a minor discplinary action from the moderators at the icke forum

thanks again

Leuchter and Rudolf are more than 'exonerated', they are irrefutable when real science, logic, and rational thought are applied. Read the threads I posted.

'Boots' will never come here and debate, he knows he's beat and simply can't handle the truth, and probably doesn't really care about truth. I fail to see how such persons can look at themselves in the mirror when they know they are living a lie. But then, Jewish supremacism is not about the truth. The lack of pride and honor in some people is simply astounding.

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Re: 'Boots' of the D Icke forum / 'gas chambers'

Postby georgesmiley » 7 years 2 months ago (Fri Apr 12, 2013 1:14 pm)

I have just finished reading Atzmon's "The Wandering Who"

and he had a paragraph about revisionism: i have some comments in parentheses

To a certain extent, history revisionism is the true essence of historical thinking for it reshapes the past through animaginary future perspective and vice versa. (i am not sure here what he is saying) Revisionism is imbued in the deepest possible undertanding of temporality, (by temporailty he means- being in time and wishing ones past and future actions are ethical - my paraphrase is a bit crude but you see what iut is implying), and therfore inherent yo humanity and humanism, It is obvious that those who oppose histirical revisionism are, in practice, operating against the foundations of humanism.

This philosophical outlook is not very flattering to Jewish discourse and identity politics. Jewish ideology and political discourse openly opposes revision and revisionism.

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Re: 'Boots' of the D Icke forum / 'gas chambers'

Postby Moderator » 7 years 2 months ago (Fri Apr 12, 2013 1:21 pm)

GeorgeSmiley:
You need to start some new threads per 'holocaust' topic, or post to existing threads on the same topic. Please read the guidelines. Do not use this one thread for an all purpose 'what about this and now what about that?' approach.
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Re: 'Boots' of the D Icke forum / 'gas chambers'

Postby georgesmiley » 7 years 2 months ago (Fri Apr 12, 2013 1:28 pm)

thanks

understood


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