The Warden wrote:
Balsamo wrote:But it should not be that important. Census in general are reliable ( as a minimum presence of a minority), the problem is to keep tracks with those population between the census, especially when times are rough.
Absolutely one of the most ridiculous statements I've read on this site.
Are you implying that counting Jews (hard enough to do as it is) in ghettos (poor people who couldn't care less about being counted for some government checklist) was easy as 1, 2, 3? More off is the idea that the only difficult part was keeping track of people in between. There's no way they could keep track of them during the counts; Why would they be able to keep track of them in between the counts?
Balsamo is basically stating the term "herding cats" is a misunderstood cliche.
Re-reading the statement, i agree...
But what is the point of using some religious laws. Do you think that the nationalist AS regime of Poland would care of what is acceptable to Jews or not? Counting Jews in a census was not an difficult task, about half of them spoke only yiddish, most lived gathered in cities, in their traditional quarter. They wore distinctive dresses, went to the synagogue, etc. In a Census you are counted whether you like it or not.
What i wanted to stress is that the Polish census was held in a context of assimilation of new annexed territories, therefore, the Polish government did everything it could to downplay the size of the new national minorities, especially in those southeastern new territories. It affected the counting of Jews, BUT also of ukrainians, etc.
In this sense, if the Government admits the presence of 2.880.000 Jews, this should be considered as a minimum.
In reality, this census focused more on the language to define the "nationality", Jews who spoke perfectly Polish were indeed counted as Poles, others who spoke a ukranian dialect, and were indeed of ukranian origine, were not counted as Ukranians, but put in a new cathegory called "Local", undefined...their number reach 700.000 !!!!
It is now accepted that the number of Polish Jews in 1931 reached around 3.100.000, and that Ukrainians and Russians were 3% more than counted in the census and represented 20% of the population, and not 17%.
Now knowing how many Jews were in Poland in 1939 is only a matter of approximation and should be regarded as such.
How many managed to reach the east before getting caught by the Germans, also...estimates go from 50 to 500.000... again a big ?
How many of them would be caught again after June 41 ? Again a big ?
And when i said
the problem is to keep tracks with those population between the census, especially when times are rough.
That meant that it was almost impossible to do so...
But there is another point, German did not have the same definition of what is a Jew...So this makes things even more complex.