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Re: David Cole resurfaces?!

Postby Charles Traynor » 6 years 9 months ago (Mon May 06, 2013 8:16 am)

I’m glad to hear that David is alive and well. It was his Auschwitz documentary that first opened my eyes to the vile holocaust lie back in 2007.

It is truly remarkable (given their vast resources) that even after all these years the exterminationists have never been able to satisfactorily answer David Cole’s very straightforward questions about the gas chambers. As far as I am concerned this is just further proof that the holocaust ideology is fundamentally flawed and cannot be defended, even by fanatics.
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Re: David Cole resurfaces?!

Postby astro3 » 6 years 9 months ago (Mon May 06, 2013 10:50 am)

Return of the Hero - ?!

It may be time to put up a Wiki site about the mercurial Mr Cole.

Ideally one would like a statue of him at Auschwitz as a young man, with inscribed beneath it his recent words: 'My views haven't changed.'

Or, no wait, the David Cole walk, with 46 slabs of stone at regular intervals, and one of his Questions inscribed upon each.

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Re: David Cole resurfaces?!

Postby Carto's Cutlass Supreme » 6 years 9 months ago (Mon May 06, 2013 11:10 am)

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What is astonishing, perhaps, is that the ADL issued a death threat against this man.

The JDL, not the ADL. Two very different organizations.

100's, 1,000's? of people on Facebook must have found the David Cole video just to see the young David Cole and what the Repubublican Party Animals brouhaha was all about. There they would have been exposed to some of the best logic why the Auschwitz gas chambers are a myth. But I bet it didn't change the mind of a single one.

I think if society overwhelmingly believes something, then that trumps logic.

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Re: David Cole resurfaces?!

Postby Engel » 6 years 9 months ago (Mon May 06, 2013 8:58 pm)

Carto's Cutlass Supreme wrote:100's, 1,000's? of people on Facebook must have found the David Cole video just to see the young David Cole and what the Repubublican Party Animals brouhaha was all about. There they would have been exposed to some of the best logic why the Auschwitz gas chambers are a myth. But I bet it didn't change the mind of a single one.

I think if society overwhelmingly believes something, then that trumps logic.


I wouldn't be so sure, I believe much of the hostility towards the revionist viewpoint is because of a simple lack of understanding. If you think about it, many of the "standard" works on the Holocaust, Hillberg's work for example, don't even mention the other side of the argument. I know for myself that Cole's Auschwitz video is what made me question the story, simply by seeing it on Youtube and saying to myself, "Let's see what this is all about."

Kudos to Cole for holding onto his views concerning Auschwitz, I'm a little anxious to see how the JDL will respond though, they were not known for their open-mindedness previously.
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Re: David Cole resurfaces?!

Postby The Warden » 6 years 9 months ago (Tue May 07, 2013 9:58 am)

Agreed. The exposure of Cole's work would most likely bring in more curiosity which inevitably leads to more doubt, but the underlying problem is the Cole story really isn't getting as much coverage as Revisionists would like. We all know who controls the information, and we know they don't want more exposure too Mr. Cole's work considering how much damage it did before. What I'm more curious about than anything when it comes to Mr. Cole resurfacing is what's in store for the future. He's not going to be able to scurry into the woodwork again, so it's either time to get back to his work or prepare to live out the life he once left behind.
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Re: David Cole resurfaces?!

Postby Turpitz » 6 years 9 months ago (Tue May 07, 2013 2:38 pm)

The JDL, not the ADL. Two very different organizations.


Same ideology, just employ different methods.

I don't think the Industry had any other option with Cole as he took them apart by actually going to the locations and ripping to shreds their hastily contrived, post-war, chuck-up theme park, there wasn't any pie-charts where he was coming from. Deadly, absolutely deadly angle to take a poke at the industry from, on site and just good, honest, practical, common sense. I used to spray that video of his all over the torrent sites and the peer to peer networks, used to have a lot of takers as well.


I think if society overwhelmingly believes something, then that trumps logic.


I think it goes deeper than that. I think people, even if they don't actually believe in something will still cling to it if it makes them feel better for it. I think it is termed a 'security blanket'. People mostly live a lie and create a delusional view of the world in their heads, a view they are happy with and one that makes them feel at ease, a sort of selfishness. This self appointed delusion they will protect at all costs, they almost loathe enlightenment as it frightens them.

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Re: David Cole resurfaces?!

Postby Carto's Cutlass Supreme » 6 years 9 months ago (Tue May 07, 2013 3:51 pm)

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...a view they are happy with and one that makes them feel at ease, a sort of selfishness.


I agree and especially if there is good/evil angle with them of course on the good side.

Back to Cole: it's hard to know if over the years he was trying to get certain revisionist concepts in, by connecting them with other mainstream notions.

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Re: David Cole resurfaces?!

Postby Kingfisher » 6 years 9 months ago (Tue May 07, 2013 7:05 pm)

I had a look at the list of his films and only the one on Auschwitz seems to be directly related to the Big H.

I haven't been able to find anything on YouTube (by "Stein" I mean, not Cole as Cole). Does anyone have any knowledge of the films, or even links?

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Re: David Cole resurfaces?!

Postby Haldan » 6 years 9 months ago (Wed May 08, 2013 5:22 am)

Here's an update from CODOH on this topic:

David Cole unmasked as notorious Holocaust revisionist

The conclusion is that his production:

David Cole interviews Dr. Franciszek Piper
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is just as valid today as it was in the 1990s :wink:

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Re: David Cole resurfaces?!

Postby Spect3r » 6 years 9 months ago (Thu May 09, 2013 6:42 am)

Hannover wrote:Curious. Why would someone change their name to avoid harassment and persecution, but then tell the world that 'David Stein' is really David Cole? The whole point of the name change has now been negated.


Exactly my thoughts.

Either way, this is a big twist on this story and will be interesting to see how Mass Media and all the Jewish organizations are going to deal with it.
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Re: David Cole resurfaces?!

Postby diaz52 » 6 years 8 months ago (Sat May 25, 2013 4:20 pm)

Engel wrote:
Carto's Cutlass Supreme wrote:100's, 1,000's? of people on Facebook must have found the David Cole video just to see the young David Cole and what the Repubublican Party Animals brouhaha was all about. There they would have been exposed to some of the best logic why the Auschwitz gas chambers are a myth. But I bet it didn't change the mind of a single one.

I think if society overwhelmingly believes something, then that trumps logic.


I wouldn't be so sure, I believe much of the hostility towards the revionist viewpoint is because of a simple lack of understanding. If you think about it, many of the "standard" works on the Holocaust, Hillberg's work for example, don't even mention the other side of the argument. I know for myself that Cole's Auschwitz video is what made me question the story, simply by seeing it on Youtube and saying to myself, "Let's see what this is all about."

Kudos to Cole for holding onto his views concerning Auschwitz, I'm a little anxious to see how the JDL will respond though, they were not known for their open-mindedness previously.


Certainly the vast majority of the population simply follows the norms of belief established by, well, the establishment, regardless of the evidence.

Those with the ability and- more likely- the inclination to make the effort to think for themselves are in the minority. Even so, in the West among academicians there is a strong tendency toward group think, with few willing to risk total ostracism and a loss of reputation by even considering revisionist evidence. In addition, among the thinking minority, those of a religious inclination are also overwhelmingly predisposed to not give off even the slightest whiff of disbelief in the establishment's holohoax story. Christianity may not have failed in this regard but certainly Christian men and women have. Or perhaps there is something in the faith as it is practiced today that "primes the pump" for "gullibility to believe in evil," to steal a line from one of Denierbud's great movies. Or just plain old gullibility to believe even the most ludicious and vicious lies about their own in-group, even when spread from an 'out-group' known for their lies, and with every reason to lie. Its this whole 'we're all wicked and need salvation' thing which primes the pump.

So even among the small-ish thinking minority, both the academy and the religious are utterly devoted to maintaing the big H lie. And the wealthy certainly have no reason to rock the boat. They have the luxury of time, money and an education to draw upon, and many likely know the big H is a load of nonsense, but those on top economically do not want to rock the boat or anger the Jews. Its the status quo they want to maintain.

Really that leaves only individuals among the thinking minority who've come to revisionism thru this way or that- outsiders- to advance the ball down the field. The David Cole video had a lot to do with my realization that the establishment's holocaust story is nonsense, so I know minds can be changed. But again it seems to just be- among the thinking minority- individuals here and there that are reached. Anyways, very interesting to see David has resurfaced, I always wondered what became of him.
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Re: David Cole resurfaces?!

Postby Jerzy Ulicki-Rek » 6 years 8 months ago (Mon May 27, 2013 6:10 am)

Very interesting voice on the subject.
Worth reading.

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“Holocaust expert” David Cole Stein: Quintessentially Jewish – with a shred of integrity

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David Cole, who used to make revisionist Holocaust documentaries, changed his name to David Stein, and started “giving mainstream audiences what they want.”
by Kevin Barrett

Nobody can say that professional Holocaust expert David Stein, née David Cole, lacks even a shred of integrity.

He definitely has a shred. Maybe even a couple of shreds.

Which is more than can be said of his detractors.

The West Coast Republican Party establishment is howling with rage, livid that many of its leading figures were “tricked” by David Stein – the founder of “Republican Party Animals” – who turned out to be the kinder, gentler incarnation of Jewish Holocaust revisionist David Cole.
The thought of all those Hollywood Republican bigwigs and neocon poobahs making “Holocaust denier” David Cole their go-to guy for socializing has them all rolling around on the floor convulsing in rage. The rest of us are rolling around convulsing in laughter.
As The Guardian explains:
“Over the past five years Stein’s organisation, Republican Party Animals, drew hundreds to regular events in and around Los Angeles, making him a darling of conservative blogs and talkshows. That he made respected documentaries on the Holocaust added intellectual cachet and Jewish support to Stein’s cocktail of politics, irreverence and rock and roll. There was just one problem…”
The problem was that the Republican Party was partying with one of the world’s leading “holocaust deniers.”
David Cole Stein’s parties must have been a gas. I understand the bedroom closet with the tank of nitrous oxide was called the “gas chamber,” and you could sometimes find Fred Leuchter in there sucking the hose and chipping away at the drywall with his hammer and chisel.
I’m kind of sorry I missed those parties.
But the best part about the whole story is – get this – David Cole, under his new name “David Stein,” has been earning a living making mainstream Holocaust documentaries…which he apparently doesn’t believe a word of! His explanation: “I gave mainstream audiences what they wanted.”

Too much! David, you have just earned yourself a Larry Silverstein Award for Chutzpah Above and Beyond the Call of Duty.

And you have proved that chutzpah is not just for assholes like Silverstein. It’s also for guys like you who are too cool for words, and who somehow retain a shred or two of integrity under seriously difficult circumstances.
I don’t know whether David Cole is right about the Holocaust. But the more I study the issue, the more I think that Cole and my friend Nick Kollerstrom and others like them are raising legitimate questions. It’s disgusting how Dr. Kollerstrom was witch-hunted out of University College of London for publishing a scholarly article that nobody there could refute. And it’s disgusting how the Jewish Defense League terrorists silenced David Cole for all these years with their death threats.

The Republicans who were partying with David Cole yesterday, and falling all over themselves to disown him today, are even more disgusting.
These people apparently have no arguments. So they bleat like terrified sheep, or howl like rabid jackals, as they scramble to distance themselves from the one intelligent human being in their midst – the one guy with the ability to think for himself, the one guy with a shred of integrity.

This is the sort of thing that happened to the prophets, when they spoke truths the corrupt society around them didn’t want to hear.
I submit that not only is David Cole something of a genius – he’s also quintessentially Jewish. Which makes the people who don’t like him – dare I say it – anti-Semites. (There – that will shut them up!)

David Cole is a walking, talking embodiment of what Douglas Rushkoff identifies as the core of Judaism: iconoclasm. According to Rushkoff, Jews take the spirit of “nothing sacred” to extremes, smashing tribal idols of all varieties – which is one reason they’re always getting themselves in trouble with their neighbors.

David Cole’s revisionist work aims to smash one of the biggest, ugliest tribal idols of our time: The Holocaust religion, which seems to have replaced Judaism and Christianity as the idolatrous new faith of the West. Just standing up in public as the leading Jewish Holocaust revisionist is a courageous act of ultimate iconoclasm…which makes David Cole one of the greatest Jews of our time, maybe even of all time. (That may or may not get him a standing ovation in LA’s B’nai David Judea synagogue…)

Rushkoff also credits Judaism with the invention of “abstract monotheism.” And abstract monotheism – the notion that the same ineffable, abstract God created and presides over the entire universe, and cares about human ethics – leads to abstract, universal morality…which is a huge advance over concrete, tribal moralities (“my tribe right, your tribe wrong.”) By stepping outside the emotional logic of the tribal consensus, and applying a universalist historical methodology to Holocaust studies, David Cole has proven himself an outstanding exemplar of the best kind of Judaism.

Rushkoff also points out that this best kind of Judaism has always evinced a strong concern for social justice. (Of course, you wouldn’t know it by looking at the Zionists’ behavior…maybe that’s because Holocaustian Zionism is a completely different, idolatrous pseudo-religion that is incompatible with Judaism.)
David Cole’s Holocaust revisionism is deeply rooted in this traditional Jewish notion of justice. If indeed the Holocaust Religion is based on falsehoods and exaggerations, as Cole maintains, then justice requires some serious idol-smashing.

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Kinky Friedman, lead singer of the Texas Jewboys, tells us “they ain’t makin’ Jews like Jesus any more.”

“They ain’t makin’ Jews like Jesus any more.” Maybe not – but David Cole has enough integrity to endure media crucifixion, and thumb his nose at the JDL.

Maybe not. But like Jesus, David Cole is willing to stand up and speak the truth as he sees it, even if it earns him the vilification of the Empire and the Pharisees – maybe even a chance at martyrdom.
But wait a minute here…let’s not get carried away!

After dropping out of revisionism and changing his name due to ADL terrorist threats, Cole supposedly began to sincerely evince “fervour for a hawkish foreign policy, a strong Israel and conservative social policy.”
To convincingly play the role of Zionist hawk and mainstream Holocaust expert, Cole presumably had to do some method acting. And as Kurt Vonnegut said: Be careful what you pretend to be, because one morning you might wake up and find out that’s what you are.


“I gave mainstream audiences what they wanted.” That’s what the Hollywood schlockmeisters and pornographers and war-sellers and 9/11-coverup-propagandists are going to have to explain to God, and their own consciences, when they shuffle off this mortal coil.

Which brings us to another, less endearing, quintessentially Jewish trait: The chameleon-like ability to blend into just about any potentially profitable niche, and to lie shamelessly in service to money and power.

Yes, Virginia, Jews do sometimes show negative traits as well as positive ones…like anybody else, only more so.
So I guess my plan to nominate David Cole as the Messiah needs to be put on hold.
But somehow, I still love the guy. He obviously has not just a shred of integrity, but several shreds. It would have been easy for him to disown his revisionism – but he won’t do it. That’s impressive.
I wonder what percentage of the American population today has that kind of courage to stand by their beliefs, even if it’s going to get them crucified by the media.

I’ve been through the media-character-assassination thing too; I know what he’s going through.

So if anybody has David Cole’s phone number, please pass it on. I imagine he could use some tea and sympathy right about now.

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2013/05/04/cole-stein/

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Re: David Cole resurfaces?!

Postby spaceboy » 5 years 11 months ago (Mon Feb 24, 2014 1:56 pm)

I saw Charles Kraft post this on Facebook:

Holocaust Movie Survivors Mark Weber and David Cole Honored at Institute for Historical Review Event.

David Cole, the Revisionist from the 1990's who was targeted by the JDL was the Speaker. The JDL attacked David at UCLA and placed a $25K bounty on him. David Cole exposed the Auschwitz Fraud on video. He left the Revisionist Movement for 18 years and became a film maker and Republican activist to earn a living. He was outed last year by an ex-girlfriend and promptly dropped by "friends" and Republicans, but refused to disavow his revisionist positions when asked to do so. He has a book coming out in May entitled REPUBLICAN PARTY ANIMAL. In his forthcoming book, David Cole addresses the fraud of the Hungarian Jewish Deportation for purposes of "extermination"
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Re: David Cole resurfaces?!

Postby Carto's Cutlass Supreme » 5 years 11 months ago (Mon Feb 24, 2014 3:07 pm)

I would have made this a new thread if I had posted it. Eventhough it does involve Cole resurfacing, it's enough of a new event to be it's own thread I think.

It's touching to see him and Weber together after all these years. I recently re-looked at Weber and Cole on the Montel Williams show, and Weber's first answer to a big question that starts off the show is extremely good.

Plus because Cole disappeared the whole story of back then might not have been told. I read on biginfidel.com that Cole had his nose broken back then.


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