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Re: Fact Checking The N.A.F.H.

Postby Hannover » 7 years 10 months ago (Mon May 20, 2013 1:12 pm)

In a nutshell, there are graves that people like Andrej Kola (at Belzec) claim to have found, but not a single corpse has ever been shown, much less identified and verified. Kola's work has been dismantled at this forum over & over again. He presents drawings, yes, drawings, of claimed core samples, but not a single photograph of the sample, no verification of the alleged content of the core samples is provided, and again, not a single corpse has been excavated and shown. The rational and logically minded must ask 'Why?'

All in all, Kola is an easy exposed fraud. And it's not just Kola. Other alleged "excavations" have not / cannot show a single, verifiable corpse.

So what else is new as far as the laughable 'holocaust' nonsense is concerned. This is much too easy.

The tide is turning.

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Re: Fact Checking The N.A.F.H.

Postby Cayer » 7 years 10 months ago (Fri May 24, 2013 8:57 am)

FYI

Greg Gerdes offered me a $100.00 reward if I could identify one false statement of fact on the N.A.F.H. website.

I will split the reward amount and donate my half to CODOH with the first person who can identify such a statement.

http://www.nafcash.com

Thanks

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Re: Fact Checking The N.A.F.H.

Postby Jerzy Ulicki-Rek » 7 years 10 months ago (Sun May 26, 2013 6:06 am)

"In a nutshell, there are graves that people like Andrej Kola (at Belzec) claim to have found, but not a single corpse has ever been shown, much less identified and verified. Kola's work has been dismantled at this forum over & over again. He presents drawings, yes, drawings, of claimed core samples, but not a single photograph of the sample, no verification of the alleged content of the core samples is provided, and again, not a single corpse has been excavated and shown. The rational and logically minded must ask 'Why?' "

I asked mr.Kola the same question good few years ago .In his (and my) native language good few years ago.
I'm still waiting for answers:)

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Re: Fact Checking The N.A.F.H.

Postby Cayer » 7 years 10 months ago (Tue May 28, 2013 6:01 pm)

A note to Jerzy:

Thank you for your input. I too am looking for answers. But I have been very clear here as to what question I want an answer to. I understand the story. What I want is the answer to this one simple question:

Are there any untrue statements made anywhere on the N.A.F.H. site?

http://www.nafcash.com

Can we please just stick to this point?

Thank you.

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Re: Fact Checking The N.A.F.H.

Postby Moderator » 7 years 10 months ago (Tue May 28, 2013 9:02 pm)

Cayer:
You are putting the cart before the horse and going against our guidelines concerning posting website links and then saying in essence; 'here it is, what do you think?' Please read our guidelines. If you want opinions then please tell us specifically what you want an opinion of.
If you are referring your quoted statement in the OP,
It is a forensically proven fact that not so-much-as one actual grave has ever been located / proven to exist at
Belzec, Chelmno, Sobibor or Treblinka that contains so-much-as - 1 / 1,000 of 1 % - of the alleged buried bodies.
then I believe opinions have been given.
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Re: Fact Checking The N.A.F.H.

Postby Cayer » 7 years 9 months ago (Wed Jun 12, 2013 8:26 am)

Moderator:

If you want opinions then please tell us specifically what you want an opinion of.


This is what I specifically wanted to know:

Are there any untrue statements made anywhere on the N.A.F.H. site?


I have come to the conclusion that there are none.

I would like to thank all the CODOH members for their input.

The Warden:

Greg Gerdes has so many hoops to jump through, no one has ever even tried other than Roberto Muehlenkamp. One of the stipulations of the NAFH challenge is to have it backed by Shermer of Skeptic Magazine, who was never even approached about it, and wants nothing to do with it. The fact that Shermer won't back any of Roberto's attempts says more about Roberto than it does about Shermer or Gerdes, but the whole lot of them are one sandwich short of a picnic.


Have you ever had any personal contact with Gerdes?

Could you please tell us what all those hoops are?

There are only 4 hoops that I see for the challenge:


The rules for laying claim to THE N.A.F.H. CRIME SCENE INVESTIGATION CHALLENGE TM REWARDS


$1,000.00 will be awarded for each one of the 70 fraudulently alleged “graves” that are proven - WITH 100 % CERTAINTY - to exist and to contain the remains of - at least 19 bodies.

To begin the incredibly easy, four-part process of laying claim to each reward:


First - Potential claimants must contact The N.A.F.H. (contact information is at the bottom of this page) and submit a single numeric figure as their answer to The $70,000.00 Question (see below).

Second - After submitting their unequivocal answer to The $70,000.00 question, potential claimants must then again contact The N.A.F.H. and request and confirm receipt of the official posting rules.

Third - After completing all prerequisites, potential claimants must then post their alleged “proof” that the alleged “grave” contains the remains of at least 19 bodies on - SHERMER'S OWN FORUM.

Fourth - If a potential claimant can get Michael Shermer to categorically endorse an eligible posted “proof” (by explicitly stating that said posted “proof” meets his own, “Skeptic” Magazine’s and The “Skeptics” Society’s expressed and implied standards of proof), the claimant will receive a $1,000.00 reward.


NOTE: If Shermer refuses to endorse an eligible “proof,” potential claimants can still receive a secondary reward by getting a judge to rule that their submittal did not contain any errors of stated fact and did in fact meet the proven - WITH 100 % CERTAINTY - qualification and did in fact meet Michael Shermer’s, “Skeptic” Magazine’s and The “Skeptics” Society’s expressed and implied standards of proof. (Potential claimants must contact The N.A.F.H. directly for details.)

Also note that, for those deceitful charlatans who deny the fact that the fraudulently alleged “mass grave / buried remains” claims are vacuous cognitive illusions, yet lack the courage, integrity and character to accept - The C.S.I. Challenge; The N.A.F.H. also offers cash rewards to: anyone who can simply identify the one alleged “grave” in which the most human remains have been actually - physically discovered / tangibly located, and; for simply identifying the single most explicitly endorsed “mass grave / buried remains proof” ever proffered for each of the four camps, and; for simply submitting relevant articles to - Archaeology Magazine. (They don’t even have to get published!) There are other secondary challenges / rewards as well, most notably - the cash reward offered for simply indentifying / proving any untrue statement of fact found on this webpage.

FYI - The National Association of Forensic Historians TM offers over - $100,000.00 - in total reward money for its various “holocaust” related archaeological / forensic challenges - and doubtful potential claimants to any reward amount are also challenged to accept a wager on its ability to make good on any promised payment. To date, no one - including the prevaricators who deceivingly allege that The N.A.F.H. has no “members” supporting its challenges, has dared to accept the wager. (Go figure.)

Remember, all that is being done here, is simply asking to see the actual so-called “proof” that the weak-minded true believers insist is so “undeniable.” (It takes a special kind of self-deceiving coward to interpret such a rational act as - “anti-Semitism,” or maliciously demonize logical, critically thinking people who make such reasonable requests as - “haters” and/or “deniers.”) Also, if the fraudulently alleged asked for “undeniable proof” really does exist - as is sophistically asserted, then the one hundred thousand + dollars in reward money offered by The N.A.F.H. would be claimed in a heartbeat. And that is a fact that only a charlatan or self-deceiving coward would refuse to admit.

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Re: Fact Checking The N.A.F.H.

Postby The Warden » 7 years 9 months ago (Wed Jun 12, 2013 1:47 pm)

Yes, I've contacted Gerdes.
Here's a screen shot of me dismissing him after he changed the link in question on his site: http://i.imgur.com/ddUFeaG.png
Notice the date? May of 2010. This is old news.

You'll notice Gerdes even goes through the trouble of supplying extra hoops since he knows for a fact Shermer won't go near his challenge. If you'd like to see the nature of Gerdes, simply attempt to win the challenge even if you don't believe what you're submitting. If you think it's possible, let me know. Get Shermer, if not, get a judge, if not, get a clue. That entire challenge may just be a way for Holo-believers to gain personal info on "deniers."

Good luck.
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Re: Fact Checking The N.A.F.H.

Postby CWhite » 4 years 1 month ago (Thu Mar 02, 2017 2:17 pm)

The Warden:

Get Shermer, if not, get a judge


Well that shouldn't be too hard for someone to do, if they dare to challenge any statement of fact found on The N.A.F.H. website:

http://nafcash.com/

Fourth - If a potential claimant can get Michael Shermer to categorically endorse their eligibly submitted proof (by explicitly stating that said posted proof meets his own, Skeptic Magazine’s and The Skeptics Society’s expressed and implied standards of proof), the claimant will receive the promised cash reward. And please note that; if Shermer refuses to endorse an eligibly submitted proof - alternative methods for obtaining official endorsement are available - including the option of obtaining an affirmative judgment from a U.S. court of law. (Why are true-believers so afraid of defending their self-deceiving belief in this transparent charade - from a witness stand?)

Note: The N.A.F.H. challenges any doubtful eligible potential claimant to a specific individual reward offer to accept a wager on its ability to prove that it has the ways and means to make good on the promised payment. To date, no one has dared to accept the wager, nor has anyone even made an attempt at laying claim to the monetary reward offered for disproving the reality that - The C.S.I. Challenge is in fact backed by an association of financial supporters. And for those weak-willed true-believers who lack the courage, integrity and character to accept - The C.S.I. Challenge; The N.A.F.H. also offers - a monetary reward for simply identifying / proving any untrue statement of fact found on this webpage.
 
Also note: Potential claimants for these last two monetary reward offers need only to seek endorsement from The N.A.F.H. - and any “huge mass grave proof” need only to meet the “proven beyond a reasonable doubt” standard of proof. Proviso - potential claimants must publicly pledge to take the matter to court - (sans a jury and both sides pro se legal representation) if they disagree with The N.A.F.H. final ruling. Which begs the question: Why do the self-deceiving true-believers, who are so desperate to end “holocaust denial” that they have gotten it criminalized in numerous countries of the world, cravenly refuse to take advantage of this golden opportunity to have their so-called “undeniable scientific proof” for the existence of these illusory “huge mass graves” judicially validated in the U.S. as “proven beyond a reasonable doubt” via this incredibly simple, easy and inexpensive - U. S. Courtroom Challenge?
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Re: Fact Checking The N.A.F.H.

Postby CWhite » 4 years 1 month ago (Thu Mar 02, 2017 2:23 pm)

I would like to see Eric Hunt prove this statement of fact is untrue (see my above post):

BELZEC, CHELMNO, SOBIBOR and TREBLINKA II
 
Are 2 Million People Really Buried In 75 Graves?
 
It is alleged in orthodox historiography that; during WW II - hundreds upon hundreds of thousands of corpses were buried in numerous “huge mass graves” at the four very small, precisely known locations of - Belzec, Chelmno, Sobibor and Treblinka II. (Yad Vashem alleges that over two million people were murdered at these four sites.) However, despite all the deceptive claims / allegations / insinuations to the contrary, the simple truth is; the largest, in terms of both grave volume and quantity of remains, of the - four - so-called “huge mass graves” - ever - located / proven to exist at these four sites - in which actual, verified human remains have literally / truly been physically unearthed / tangibly located by archaeologists / forensic investigators - by means of bona fide, verifiably honest and conclusively documented archaeology / forensic science; contains the remains of - ONLY SIX PEOPLE!

Note: All four of the so-called “huge mass graves” were uncovered at Sobibor and contain a grand total of - only ten skeletons!

Also note: Not only has it been forensically proven that the “huge mass grave” claims / allegations / insinuations made about these so-called “holocausts within the holocaust” are as transparently fraudulent as the “scientists” that made them - it has never been proven that so-much-as ten percent of those fraudulently alleged to be currently buried at these four “sacred” archaeological sites ever even set foot in the so-called “crime scenes” - not ten percent!

http://nafcash.com/


So The N.A.F.H. is now using the P word to go along with their - U. S. Courtroom Challenge.

That pretty much kicks Eric Hunt into the gutter with his new friends.

Get used to the stink Hunt - it will never wash off.


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