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Alfred Rosenberg diary unearthed!

Postby borjastick » 6 years 2 months ago (Mon Jun 10, 2013 11:55 am)

In today's Huffington Post and I dare say on various other media outlets is this story about Alfred Rosenberg's diary suddenly being found. This could be a hoax of course but it should be absolutely fascinating as to the content if any that relates to the confirmation of the holocaust. Notice the intro paragraphs proclaiming the holocaust and murder of millions of Jews blah blah blah.

Notice also the fact that the holocaust museum has got their teeth into this so my suspicions are immediately raised. Finally it is written by a certain John Shiffman...

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Alfred Rosenberg Diary Found: U.S. Finds Long-Lost Documents Of Top Nazi Leader And Hitler Aide

Reuters | Posted: 06/09/2013 6:00 pm EDT | Updated: 06/10/2013 8:15 am EDT



By John Shiffman

WASHINGTON, June 9 (Reuters) - The U.S. government has recovered 400 pages from the long-lost diary of Alfred Rosenberg, a confidant of Adolf Hitler who played a central role in the extermination of millions of Jews and others during World War Two.

A preliminary U.S. government assessment reviewed by Reuters asserts the diary could offer new insight into meetings Rosenberg had with Hitler and other top Nazi leaders, including Heinrich Himmler and Herman Goering. It also includes details about the German occupation of the Soviet Union, including plans for mass killings of Jews and other Eastern Europeans.

"The documentation is of considerable importance for the study of the Nazi era, including the history of the Holocaust," according to the assessment, prepared by the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum in Washington. "A cursory content analysis indicates that the material sheds new light on a number of important issues relating to the Third Reich's policy. The diary will be an important source of information to historians that compliments, and in part contradicts, already known documentation."

How the writings of Rosenberg, a Nazi Reich minister who was convicted at Nuremberg and hanged in 1946, might contradict what historians believe to be true is unclear. Further details about the diary's contents could not be learned, and a U.S. government official stressed that the museum's analysis remains preliminary.

But the diary does include details about tensions within the German high-command - in particular, the crisis caused by the flight of Rudolf Hess to Britain in 1941, and the looting of art throughout Europe, according to the preliminary analysis.

The recovery is expected to be announced this week at a news conference in Delaware held jointly by officials from the U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement, Department of Justice and Holocaust museum.

The diary offers a loose collection of Rosenberg's recollections from spring 1936 to winter 1944, according to the museum's analysis. Most entries are written in Rosenberg's looping cursive, some on paper torn from a ledger book and others on the back of official Nazi stationary, the analysis said.

Rosenberg was an early and powerful Nazi ideologue, particularly on racial issues. He directed the Nazi party's foreign affairs department and edited the Nazi newspaper. Several of his memos to Hitler were cited as evidence during the post-war Nuremberg trials.

Rosenberg also directed the systematic Nazi looting of Jewish art, cultural and religious property throughout Europe. The Nazi unit created to seize such artifacts was called Task Force Reichsleiter Rosenberg.

He was convicted of crimes against humanity and was one of a dozen senior Nazi officials executed in October 1946. His diary, once held by Nuremberg prosecutors as evidence, vanished after the trial.

A Nuremberg prosecutor, Robert Kempner, was long suspected by U.S. officials of smuggling the diary back to the United States.

Born in Germany, Kempner had fled to America in the 1930s to escape the Nazis, only to return for post-war trials. He is credited with helping reveal the existence of the Wannsee Protocol, the 1942 conference during which Nazi officials met to coordinate the genocide against the Jews, which they termed "The Final Solution."

Kempner cited a few Rosenberg diary excerpts in his memoir, and in 1956 a German historian published entries from 1939 and 1940. But the bulk of the diary never surfaced.

When Kempner died in 1993 at age 93, legal disputes about his papers raged for nearly a decade between his children, his former secretary, a local debris removal contractor and the Holocaust museum. The children agreed to give their father's papers to the Holocaust museum, but when officials arrived to retrieve them from his home in 1999, they discovered that many thousands of pages were missing.

After the 1999 incident, the FBI opened a criminal investigation into the missing documents. No charges were filed in the case.

But the Holocaust museum has gone on to recover more than 150,000 documents, including a trove held by Kempner's former secretary, who by then had moved into the New York state home of an academic named Herbert Richardson.

The Rosenberg diary, however, remained missing.

Early this year, the Holocaust museum and an agent from Homeland Security Investigation tried to locate the missing diary pages. They tracked the diary to Richardson, who was living near Buffalo.

Richardson declined to comment. A government official said more details will be announced at the news conference. (Reporting by John Shiffmann in Washington and Kristina R. Cooke in San Francisco; Editing by Blake Morrison and Leslie Gevirtz)
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Re: Alfred Rosenberg diary unearthed!

Postby borjastick » 6 years 2 months ago (Mon Jun 10, 2013 12:34 pm)

The sheeples and shills are at it. Get stuck in to the debate please, urgent help required.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/0 ... =webmail11
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Postby Hannover » 6 years 2 months ago (Mon Jun 10, 2013 2:02 pm)

The story is pure desperation and is filled with so much nonsense that it's difficult to stop laughing.

The article makes a big deal out of 'finding' a diary that was found long ago. Why wasn't it's contents published then? Why aren't it's contents published now?*
A preliminary U.S. government assessment reviewed by Reuters asserts the diary could offer new insight into meetings Rosenberg had with Hitler and other top Nazi leaders, including Heinrich Himmler and Herman Goering. It also includes details about the German occupation of the Soviet Union, including plans for mass killings of Jews and other Eastern Europeans.

"Could offer new insights"? What, they don't know by now? It either does or it doesn't. IOW what they are really saying is that they are going to need time to find a way to spin what is surely information which does not support the story line.

... plans for mass killings of Jews and other Eastern Europeans

IOW, any mention of deportations / resettlement will be treated as "mass killings".

*They could easily publish images of relevant pages of the diary and let everyone see for themselves. But no, that would expose the 'interpretations' made by those that benefit and prosper from the false story line.

And there's the provenance of the diary, suspicious at best. A diary as important to the storyline as Rosenberg's, if factual according to spin put on it, would be a major piece of legal evidence, but here we read that it went from various ownerships with part said to be missing, etc.

And why is Homeland Security involved in all this?

We must thank this article for mentioning the shady Kempner and the Wannsee Conference. See all that nonsense shot down here:
Wannsee Conference minutes debunked

Laughable is the only way to describe this tall tale. The more they try, the worse it gets for the 'holocaust' Industry.

The tide is turning.

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Re: Alfred Rosenberg diary unearthed!

Postby borjastick » 6 years 2 months ago (Mon Jun 10, 2013 2:13 pm)

Totally agree but help me and a few others fight this nonsense on the comments pages. I am doing my best as are several others that I think i recognise, but the stupidity of the hard of understanding is breathtaking.
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Postby Hannover » 6 years 2 months ago (Mon Jun 10, 2013 2:24 pm)

Just invite them to a real debate, here. Let's see how they do when they can't behave like indoctrinated sheeple. Arguing at those sites, while every bit helps, are usually nothing more the name calling contests.

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Re: Alfred Rosenberg diary unearthed!

Postby Jerzy Ulicki-Rek » 6 years 2 months ago (Mon Jun 10, 2013 10:19 pm)

"After the explosion of the second bomb during the Boston marathon a part of the front wall to Abraham's Bomba hairdresser salon collapsed.
While removing the debris owner of the shop come across a steel safe hidden inside the wall destroyed by explosion.
Experts from yad vashem called at once to the scene managed to disarm the self-distracting devise attached to a safe.
Inside the steel vault the memoirs of Alfred Roseneberg were waiting to be finally presented to the world.


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Re: Alfred Rosenberg diary unearthed!

Postby borjastick » 6 years 2 months ago (Tue Jun 11, 2013 1:46 am)

Really jerzy? Did I miss something where did this quote come from? If this is true then the diary clearly cannot contain anything which proves mass murder etc from the holocaust. If it did it wouldn't be locked up in a safe but displayed to the world. This becomes more murky and interesting.

The whole diary story seems odd and unreliable to me. Why would it have been hidden for so long if it had explosive facts able to prove extermination? Why would it have been ripped apart? Is it even genuine?
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Postby Jerzy Ulicki-Rek » 6 years 2 months ago (Tue Jun 11, 2013 2:19 am)

" where did this quote come from?"
From Elli Wiesel memoirs :lol:


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Re: Alfred Rosenberg diary unearthed!

Postby Reviso » 6 years 2 months ago (Tue Jun 11, 2013 3:15 am)

Interesting passage about Kempner in the quoted paper :

"A Nuremberg prosecutor, Robert Kempner, was long suspected by U.S. officials of smuggling the diary back to the United States.
Born in Germany, Kempner had fled to America in the 1930s to escape the Nazis, only to return for post-war trials. He is credited with helping reveal the existence of the Wannsee Protocol, the 1942 conference during which Nazi officials met to coordinate the genocide against the Jews, which they termed 'The Final Solution.'
Kempner cited a few Rosenberg diary excerpts in his memoir, and in 1956 a German historian published entries from 1939 and 1940. But the bulk of the diary never surfaced."

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Re: Alfred Rosenberg diary unearthed!

Postby Jerzy Ulicki-Rek » 6 years 2 months ago (Tue Jun 11, 2013 3:48 am)

Reviso:"But the bulk of the diary never surfaced."

You are right :)
Not before and not now :)
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Postby Reviso » 6 years 2 months ago (Tue Jun 11, 2013 4:00 am)

That the man who "is credited with helping reveal the existence of the Wannsee Protocol" was also "suspected by U.S. officials of smuggling" a.s.o., is an element in the assessment of the Wannsee Protocol.
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Re: Alfred Rosenberg diary unearthed!

Postby borjastick » 6 years 2 months ago (Tue Jun 11, 2013 8:21 am)

After literally dozens of posts from me on Huff Post concerning the above I have to stop or I'd blow my brains out. Thanks to those of you who got your feet in the stirrups.

I was mostly calm and decided to ask for proof and support for the claims of the holocaust. I outlined in detail various aspects which the average reader might not know and I tried to be balanced and fair by conceding that the jews were persecuted and died in large numbers, from typhus not gas. But I never once got a detailed, proof laden reply from any of the left wing brain dead that inhabit these type of story forums. All I got was abuse ranging from the 'you must be a low life scum filled neo nazi whose best ever job was a cleaner in a burger bar' to the usual denier, peasant, truther, arse, etc. heard it all before and not bothered but was surprised by how many hard line holocaustians were posting. I guess the Israeli truth Police were not busy killing Palestinians over the last 24 hours.

Anyway, we tried to put our ten penneth and if it made a few people question the holohoax I would say that is a good day's work done.

I'm off now for a second argument with the farmer next door who is one of those luddites who says 'get off my land'. Ah france, don't ya just luv it...
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Re: Alfred Rosenberg diary unearthed!

Postby The Warden » 6 years 2 months ago (Tue Jun 11, 2013 10:49 am)

Big deal. A diary.

They can "find" all the books and trinkets they want, but they'll never be able to make sense of all their previous claims over the years about gas chambers and cremations. It doesn't matter how many diaries they find because they've already tried to defy math and science by misinterpreting and misrepresenting everything else they've found. In all honesty, the more things they find, the more they screw up their story. Let 'em find more.
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Re: Alfred Rosenberg diary unearthed!

Postby Scotsman » 6 years 2 months ago (Tue Jun 11, 2013 2:09 pm)

I have a prediction - the reason it wasn't printed in full before was because it would have helped to feed an anti Holocaust position. Wasn't Rosenberg in favor of nationalism in the Baltic states, having had an Estonian wife? That alone doesn't fit part of the Holocaust story that Hitler would have exterminated everyone in the East. I wouldn't be so quick to call this a forgery - it could be a win for our side (= the truth).

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Re: Alfred Rosenberg diary unearthed!

Postby Hannover » 6 years 2 months ago (Tue Jun 11, 2013 4:09 pm)

Scotsman:

I don't think anyone is calling it an outright forgery, especially since they have not actually seen it and Jewish supremacist gatekeepers will not allow it to be seen.

What seems to be the most common views are that it's history is very peculiar & suspicious from the beginning and it does not contain information to confirm the 'holocaust' story line (which you also suggested), hence it will be kept out of sight and 'interpreted' by those who benefit from a particular 'interpretation'. All those interested in truth should demand seeing the actual diary.

I definitely believe it is another win for Revisionism.

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