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Re: Alfred Rosenberg diary unearthed!

Postby hermod » 6 years 2 months ago (Thu Jun 13, 2013 8:37 pm)

Scotsman wrote:I have a prediction - the reason it wasn't printed in full before was because it would have helped to feed an anti Holocaust position.


That makes me think about Fritz Darges' Memoirs. In October 2009, just after Darges'death, many newspapers were entitled "Memoirs of Hitler aide could finally end Holocaust claims" and "Hitler Aide's Death Could Shed Light On Dictator's Holocaust Role".

It was said at that time (October 2009) "His memoirs will be published now in accordance with his will and "Mainstream historians believe it inconceivable that Hitler did not issue verbal directives about the mass killings in Darges' presence". It was triumphantly announced that "The memoirs of the last SS adjutant to Adolf Hitler are to be published in a move historians say could cast away the last shred of doubt over his personal involvement in the Holocaust" and "Experts say his account of his time as Hitler's direct link to the SS could discount the claims of revisionists who have tried to claim the German leader knew nothing of the extermination programme". What? Mountains of evidence (as claimed by Holocaust believers) and no proved link between Hitler and the Holocaust? :shock:

Before dying Darges had said when interviewed: "As adjutant I was responsible for his day-to-day programme. I must, and was, always there for him, at every conference, at every inter-service liaison meeting, at all war conferences." If there was someone knowing something about the Holocaust, Darges was that person.

But nearly 4 years later i'm still wating for Darges' memoirs...
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Re: Alfred Rosenberg diary unearthed!

Postby borjastick » 5 years 11 months ago (Wed Sep 04, 2013 9:23 am)

I suspect that the story will quietly disappear after no bomb-shells or even evidence of a program to murder Europe’s Jews is discovered within the diary’s pages. There may be a minor discovery based on a tortured translation, but nothing more. The diaries will then likely be sealed up and only allowed review under the watchful eye of the US Holocaust Memorial Museum lest anyone reveal some inconvenient history.

Richard Widmann - Inconvenient History

Well it seems he was correct in his assumption that these so called diaries have revealed nothing. As such they will be locked away so that the great unwashed and that includes us revisionists cannot possible bring a new perspective to the issue. Just like the dna testing and other post mortem tests on Yasser Arafat's body have so far been lacking in any further announcement. Back to the Rosenberg diaries it was baffling to think that the jews under the auspices of the USHMM should have anything to do with them. Conflict of interest should surely have ruled them out. As it should have done in the Nuremberg trials. The problem for the USHMM is that if they declared anything amazing from these diaries many wouldn't believe them.
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Re: Alfred Rosenberg diary unearthed!

Postby Scotsman » 5 years 8 months ago (Tue Dec 17, 2013 8:30 pm)

http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/lon ... story.html

Long-lost diary of Nazi Alfred Rosenberg turned over to Holocaust Museum


On Tuesday the Nazi theorist’s 425-page, handwritten diary, which vanished after the war, was transferred by federal authorities to the U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum, which had been searching for it for years.



Scholars had been eager to see what this longtime Nazi from Hitler’s inner circle had to say in the missing journal. But details of the Nazis’ grand plans for genocide and brutal domination are absent from the pages.

“Rosenberg obsessed a lot about the Jews — just not in his diary,” said Jurgen Matthaus, director of applied research at the museum’s Center for Advanced Holocaust Studies.

“He saw no reason to elaborate on fundamental Nazi goals, as he regarded them as self-evident,” Matthaus said at the museum transfer ceremony.



Yes, he saw not to 'elaborate on fundamental Nazi goals', especially since this 'goal' never existed!

The article claims that the Holocaust museum has been 'searching' for this diary for decades. I will bet it is the opposite - they hoped it would never surface.

Let's continue to hope that more diaries like this are found to weaken the myth.

I look forward to a revisionist analysis on the diary.

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Re: Alfred Rosenberg diary unearthed!

Postby Moderator » 5 years 8 months ago (Tue Dec 17, 2013 8:49 pm)

This was posted to a new, but redundant thread. It has been moved here, below.
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Enlightened Student wrote:Looks like they finally got around to posting the diary online. Only in German and the article states online certain parts will be translated. Interesting in the article though how they state that ICE and The Department of Homeland Security helped the USHMM secure the book with a warrant. Almost unreal how much power the Jews hold in their hands to provoke this type of response from a Government agency...

Article: http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/miss ... m-21254574

Scanned Diary: http://collections.ushmm.org/view/2001.62.14?page=1

Missing for decades, the rediscovered diary of Alfred Rosenberg — a chief Nazi ideologue and one of Adolf Hitler's closest confidants — was officially turned over to the U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum in Washington, D.C., Tuesday (Dec. 17). And with its new acquisition, the museum has made the German-language diary available online for the first time.

Under Hitler, Rosenberg led the Nazi party's foreign affairs department and served as the Reich Minister for the Occupied Eastern Territories. Historians had long known that Rosenberg's diary existed; it was used as evidence in the Nuremberg trials — in which major political and military leaders in Nazi Germany were tried for war crimes and crimes against humanity — some of the papers were published and parts of the diary are even in the collection of the U.S. National Archives.

But the bulk of manuscript, which is more than 400 pages and covers 1936 through 1944, only resurfaced earlier this year. The papers have been authenticated by the museum, and historians hope that the papers might provide new insights on the politics of the Nazi leaders and the mass murder of the Jewish people. [Images: Missing Nazi Diary Resurfaces]

The German-born American lawyer Robert Kempner, who served as a prosecutor during the Nuremberg trials, brought the diary to the United States. According to the Holocaust Memorial Museum, Kempner had received permission from the Office of the Chief of Counsel of War Crimes to keep unclassified documents "for purposes of writing, lecturing and study" after the trials ended and Rosenberg was hanged in 1946.

Kempner held the documents at his home in Lansdowne, Pa., until his death in 1993. In the years that followed, the Holocaust Memorial Museum hashed out a deal with Kempner's heirs to take ownership of the papers. But some of the documents, including Rosenberg's diary, appeared to be missing, according to the museum.

After an extensive investigation by U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement's (ICE) Homeland Security Investigations division, Rosenberg's diary was located and seized at a home in upstate New York earlier this year. The papers had been in the hands of Herbert Richardson, an academic publisher and former professor who had worked for Kempner, according to The New York Times.

The Holocaust Memorial Museum has posted scans of the newly acquired diary pages on its website, with accompanying German transcripts. There is not yet an English translation available, but the museum's catalogue says the diary recounts Rosenberg's meetings with Hitler, political infighting within the Nazi party and bombing raids on Germany, among other topics.
The museum's director, Sara Bloomfield, said the institution tries to get people "to think about why the Holocaust happened and how it was possible in such an advanced society."

"The Rosenberg diary will add to our understanding of the ideas that animated the extremist ideology of Nazism," Bloomfield said in a statement. "We are grateful to our partners at ICE who helped us secure this important piece of history, a significant addition in our urgent efforts to rescue the evidence of the Holocaust."
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Re: Alfred Rosenberg diary unearthed!

Postby Hannover » 5 years 8 months ago (Tue Dec 17, 2013 9:04 pm)

Historians had long known that Rosenberg's diary existed; it was used as evidence in the Nuremberg trials ...
Oh really? In what way was a diary which cannot be shown to have incriminating entries "used as evidence"? Does anyone know how this diary was used at Nuremberg?

"We are grateful to our partners at ICE who helped us secure this important piece of history, a significant addition in our urgent efforts to rescue the evidence of the Holocaust."
But there is no "evidence" for the 'holocaust' storyline in this diary or we would be seeing it. Simple as that.

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Re: Alfred Rosenberg diary unearthed!

Postby JoFo » 5 years 8 months ago (Wed Dec 18, 2013 1:11 am)

What I don't understand is why Kempner or anyone else since him in the holocaust industry would covet the diary if it contains nothing to substantiate the holocaust myth. No news is good news from a revisionist standpoint. Why wouldn't they just destroy it or continue to suppress it?

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Re: Alfred Rosenberg diary unearthed!

Postby Reviso » 5 years 8 months ago (Wed Dec 18, 2013 12:59 pm)

Here :
http://collections.ushmm.org/view/2001.62.14?page=507
Rosenberg speaks of separating Jews from Europe ("diese Rasse aus ganz Europa auszusondern") . Nowhere of killing them (as the Washington Post recognizes).
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Re: Alfred Rosenberg diary unearthed!

Postby ovd1965 » 5 years 8 months ago (Wed Dec 18, 2013 2:46 pm)

Finished ...... all 850 pages ...... here are the results regarding the "jewish question"
not really sensational, Deborah et al will be disappointed ,

(Translation by google translate )

1.............Die Tagung in Frankf. a.M. halte ich für einen Erfolg. Es ist immerhin das erstemal in der europäischen Geschichte, dass 10 europ. Nationen auf einer antijüd. Tagung mit dem klaren Programm vertreten sind,
diese Rasse aus ganz Europa auszusondern.
Und jetzt steht auch die Macht hinter dieser Einsicht in eine geschichtliche Notwendigkeit. Die Dinge, die mein Einsatzstab in Paris beschlagnahmt hat, sind zweifellos einzigartig: Die Bibliothek d. Alliance Isr. Universelle, d. Rabbiner-Akademie, Archiv der Bank Rothschild (1816 – 1925) in 760 Kisten, Bibl. zahlreicher anderer Juden aus Paris, Brüssel, Amsterdam usw. Meinem Tagebuch werde ich den Schlussbericht einfügen. Hinzu [sic] die jüd. Kunstschätze, die kürzlich in Neuschwanstein angekommen sind. Der Wert wird mit 1 Milliarde beziffert. Ich werde sie nächstens dem Führer zur Verteilung an die Museen vorführen.

.......... The meeting in Frankf. q.s. I consider a success. It is after all the first time in European history that 10 Eur. Nations on a antijüd. Conference are represented with a clear program

discard this breed from all over Europe.

And now there is also the power behind this insight in a historical necessity. The things that were seized in Paris my operations staff, are certainly unique: The library d Alliance Isr Universal, d Rabbinical Academy, Archives of Rothschild (1816 - 1925) in 760 crates, Bibl many other Jews from Paris , Brussels, Amsterdam and so my diary I'll include the final report. In addition [sic] the Jewish. Art treasures that have recently arrived in Neuschwanstein. The value is estimated at 1 billion. I'll show next time the leader for distribution to the museums.



25.4.[1936]
2.Mit Vansittart traf ich mich bei Hess nach 3 Jahren...... Über die Neger aus U.S.A. ist er – nebst allen Briten – sehr böse, drücken sie doch die Engländer in Olympia ganz an die Wand....
Ich fragte lachend: „Warum diese ‚Rassenvorurteile‘?“ – Ich versuchte bei seiner Frau inbezug auf die behauptete jüdische Versippung etwas herauszukriegen. Als auch sie über die schwarzen Läufer aus U.S.A. zeterte,
sagte ich, dass diese ja ganz allgemein eine Gefahr für die U.S.A. darstellten: die kommunistische Reserve.
Und dass einst die Juden diese kommunistische schwarze Revolte bezahlen würden. – Ich war erstaunt, als Antwort zu hören: „Sie haben recht.“

3.Heute erfahre ich, warum Hptm. Fürstner, der die Organisation des Olymp. Dorfes durchgeführt hatte, einem „Unglücksfall“ erlitten hatte erlegen war. Es hatte sich seit war vor einiger Zeit erwiesen worden,
dass er jüdisches Blut hatte; er war deshalb wurde [er] zurückgesetzt worden. Er tat noch Dienst bis zum Ende des Olympias, dann hatte er einen Nervenzusammenbruch u. verübte Selbstmord. Einer dieser vielen tragischen Grenzfälle. Er war sicher nach der germanischen Seite ausgemendelt worden – alle Achtung vor seiner Tat.

4.lese eben „Jude u. Arbeiter“ aus dem Institut zum Studium der Judenfrage. Altes Bekanntes, aber doch auch einige neue historische Daten. Immer wieder fasst mich die Wut, wenn ich mir überlege, was dieses jüdische Parasitenvolk Deutschland angetan hat. Hier ist Instinkt und Plan gemeinsam seit vielen Jahrzehnten am Werk gewesen. Jedenfalls habe ich aber eine Befriedigung: hier das meine zur Aufdeckung dieses Verrats beigetragen zu

5.dass die Spanier eine Wut auf die Kirche haben, ist verständlich: denn diese hat das Volk verdummt, ausgesogen u. auf den Himmel vertröstet.
Diese verständliche Wut wird jetzt vom jüdischen Bolschewismus für seine Zwecke ausgeweitet.

6.in Spanien hat General Franco jeden Antisemitismus von sich gewiesen. Ob auf Rücksicht auf seine marokkanischen Juden, die eifrig zahlen müssen, oder weil er wirklich noch nicht begriffen hat, dass das Judentum heute Rache nimmt an Ferdinand und Isabella, ist nicht zu entscheiden

7.Dann ging Suvich plötzlich auf die „Protokolle der Weisen von Zion“ über und sagte: ob sie nun echt seien oder nicht, aber die jüdische Weltpolitik werde in ihnen so dargestellt, wie sie sich in der Tat zeige. Ich war damals sehr überrascht, ausgerechnet von Suvich derartige Ansichten zu hören

8.Phipps glaubt, „in Frankreich gehe es besser“, Blum wolle selbst weg von den Kommunisten, die Radikalsozialisten seien auch in Opposition. Hatte es Zweck, diesem Briten zu erklären, was der Jude Blum zu bedeuten hatte?

9.Gestern u. heute war ich beim Führer zu Mittag u. hatte über diese Dinge Vortrag. Der Führer war sehr befriedigt. Ersuchte mich, die jüdischen Vertretungen unserer Firmen in Rumänien aufzuzeichnen. Er würde dem R.W.M. das ein für allemal verbieten.

10.In diesen Tagen: Interview über Sowjet-Judäa für genannten Angelini von Inst. f. Aussenpolitik in Mailand

11.("Reichskristallnacht")
Die Sache mit dem Judenpogrom war doch ebenso staatsschädigend. Dr. G. hat nur auf Grund einer allg. Anordnung d. Führers gleichsam in seinem Namen die Aktion geboten. Görings Gegenbefehl kam zu spät. Schaden an Volksgut: fast 2 Winterhilfswerke: 600 Millionen!

12.Er (Hitler) wolle das jetzt festgelegte Gebiet (besetztes Polen) in drei Streifen teilen:

1. Zwischen Weichsel u. Bug: das gesamte Judentum (auch a. d. Reich),

sowie alle irgendwie unzuverlässigen Elemente. An der Weichsel einen unbezwingbaren Ostwall – noch stärker als im Westen. 2. An der bisherigen Grenze ein breiter Gürtel der Germanisierung und Kolonisierung.



13.Dr. Gerigk brachte mir die ersten Exemplare d. Lexikons d. Juden i. d. Musik, das er herausgibt. Eine der geplanten Forschungsfragen von Grund auf. Eben werden noch bearbeitet: ein Talmudlexikon, ein Handbuch aller jüd. Schriftsteller, die Nachkommen nur zweier Judenfamilien (Itzig u. Mendelssohn) und die Auswirkungen a. d. deutsche Leben u.a. Das kommende Geschlecht soll alle Voraussetzungen für die Schau unserer Zeit erhalten, sonst wird es garnicht begreifen, wieso wir uns über d. Juden so aufgeregt

14.Der engl. Rundfunk hat – ich traute meinen Augen nicht – den jüdischen Emigranten die Schuld an der kathastrophalen [sic] Lage Englands zugeschoben. Sie hätten London alle Jahre falsch unterrichtet: über die Kraft Deutschlands, über die Zustände im Reich, über den Verfall des N.S. usw. Jetzt stimme das alles garnicht. Das kann ja für Israel heiter werden, wenn derartige Stimmen selbst im engl. Rundfunk durchschlüpfen können.

28.3.41
15.Gestern rief mich der Führer mitten aus der Tagung der Gründung des Instituts für die Erforschung d. Judenfrage aus Fr. am Main nach Berlin.

16.In Berlin erfuhr ich, dass der Führer m. Plan zustimme, das Institut zur Erforschung der Judenfrage zu eröffnen u. entsprechend Ausländer einzuladen. Das Institut hat schon heute die grösste Bibliothek der Welt: 350000 Bände. Alles aus Frankreich, Belgien usw. Es kommen wohl noch 200000 aus Holland. Wer später aus der Welt einmal d. Judenfrage erforschen will, wird nach Frankfurt müssen.

17.Im Lauf d. Unterredung wies L(ammert?). auf ein Gespräch m. Himmler hin: dieser wolle im Osten ganz selbstständig sein u.

hätte von Sonderaufträgen des Führers gesprochen.




18. dass Stalin nun auch die noch verbliebenen 400 000 Wolgadeutschen nach Sibirien verschleppen, d.h. morden lassen wird, ...... Ich gab Anweisung, für eine sehr scharfe Stellungnahme u. sandte sie formuliert an den Führer. Der sie noch verschärfte. Gestern liess ich einen Vorschlag ausarbeiten, durch Rundfunk nach Russland, England u. USA mitteilen zu lassen, dass wenn

dieser Massenmord durchgeführt werden sollte, Deutschland die Juden Zentraleuropas dafür büssen lassen würde.

Dies mit vollster Berechtigung, da soeben noch der Jude Schertok auf einer Palästinakonferenz erklärt habe, an dem Bündnis zwischen Moskau – London – Washington hätten die Juden besonderen Anteil, da sie stets dafür gearbeitet hätten. – Der Vorschlag liegt eben beim Führer.

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25.4. [ 1936 ]
With Vansittart I met at Hess after 3 years ...... He is over the negroes from the United States - together with all British - very angry , but they press the Englishman in Olympia close to the wall ....
I asked with a laugh : " Why these , racial prejudice ? '" - I tried with his wife , RELATING to the alleged Jewish Versippung figure out something . As well as they ranted about the black bishop from the United States ,
I said that this generally yes a danger to the United States represented : the Communist reserve.
And that once the Jews would pay these black communist revolt. - I was surprised to hear in reply : "You're right . "

Today I see why Capt. Fuerstner , the organization of Olympus. Had carried out the village, one " accident " had suffered had succumbed . It had been proved some time ago since was
that he had Jewish blood , and he was, therefore, was [ he ] has been reset. He did not service until the end of Olympias , he had a nervous breakdown and committed suicide . One of these many tragic limiting cases . He had been sure ausgemendelt after the Germanic side - all respect for his act.

just read " Jew and workers" from the Institute for the Study of the Jewish Question . Old -known, but also some new historical data. Again and again touched me the rage when I think about what this Jewish parasites Germany has done to people . Here instinct and plan has been together for many decades at work. Anyway, I have but one satisfaction : here the mean contributed to the discovery of this treason to

that the Spaniards have a rage at the church , is evident: for them hath the people dumbed down , drained and put off the sky.
This understandable anger is now expanded by Jewish Bolshevism for his purposes.

General Franco in Spain has shown any anti-Semitism from him. Whether in regard to his Moroccan Jews who must pay eagerly or because he really has not yet realized that Judaism today takes revenge on Ferdinand and Isabella, is not to decide

Then Suvich suddenly went over to the "Protocols of the Elders of Zion " and said if they were real or not, but the Jewish world policy is represented in them as they show , in fact . I was very surprised to hear of all of Suvich such views

Phipps believes that " in France, it had better go ," Blum wished himself away from the Communists , the Radical Socialists were in opposition. Did it end , this British to explain what the Jew Blum did it mean?

Yesterday and today I was the leader for lunch and had about these things talk. The guide was very satisfied. Asked me to record the Jewish representations of our company in Romania. He would give the R.W.M. that a ban once and for all .

These days : Interview on Soviet Judea for said Angelini Inst of Foreign Policy in Milan

( " Kristallnacht " )
The thing with the pogrom was but equally damaging state . Dr. G. has offered only on the basis of a general arrangement d leader to speak on his behalf the action. Goering counter command came too late. Damage to folklore : almost 2 Winter Relief : 600 million!

He ( Hitler) wanted to share the now fixed area ( occupied Poland) into three strips :

1 Between the Vistula and Bug: the whole of Jewry (also from ALTREICH/Deutschland) ,

as well as all kind of unreliable elements . At the Vistula an indomitable East Wall - even more than in the West. 2 On the previous point, a broad belt of Germanization and colonization .



Dr. Gerigk brought me the first copies lexicon d d Jews id music , which he publishes . One of the planned research questions from the ground . Level are still being processed : a Talmudic Encyclopedia , a handbook of all Jewish . Writers, the descendants of only two Jewish families ( Izzy and Mendelssohn ), and the impact of an ad German life , among other things The coming generation is to get all the prerequisites for the show of our time , otherwise it will not at all understand why we're so excited about d Jews

The engl. Broadcasting has - I could not believe my eyes - the Jewish immigrants to blame for the kathastrophalen [sic ] position of England sent postponed. They would all London years misinformed : on the strength of Germany , about the conditions in the kingdom , about the decline of the NS etc. Now all agree at all. That 'll be fun for Israel , if such voices even in engl. Can slip through broadcasting.

28/03/41
Yesterday I called the leader of the midst of the meeting of the founding of the Institute for the Study d Jewish question from Fr am Main to Berlin.

In Berlin , I learned that the leader m. Agree plan to open the Institute for the Study of the Jewish question and invite accordingly foreigners. The Institute already has the largest library in the world : 350,000 volumes. Everything from France, Belgium, etc. There are probably 200,000 from Holland. Who made ​​the world even want to explore d Jewish question later , will have to Frankfurt.



In the course of conversation that is pointed L (ammert ? ) . on a conversation with . Himmler : Himmler

would be completely independent in the East and had spoken of special orders of the Führer.




that Stalin now the remaining 400 000 Volga Germans to Siberia procrastinate , ie will be murder , ...... I gave instructions for a very sharp statement and sent it formulated to the leader . The still more stringent . Yesterday I let out a proposal to let it be known by broadcasting to Russia , England and USA that if
should be carried out this mass murder, Germany would leave the Jews of Central Europe atone for it.
This met with the full permission , as just the Jew again Shertok have explained on a Palestine conference , the alliance between Moscow - London - Washington Jews have special share , as they had always worked for it . - The proposal is just the leader.

December 44

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Re: Alfred Rosenberg diary unearthed!

Postby hermod » 5 years 8 months ago (Wed Dec 18, 2013 11:26 pm)

Scotsman wrote:http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/long-lost-diary-of-nazi-alfred-rosenberg-turned-over-to-holocaust-museum/2013/12/17/b422b260-6738-11e3-8b5b-a77187b716a3_story.html

Long-lost diary of Nazi Alfred Rosenberg turned over to Holocaust Museum


Alfred Rosenberg joined the Nazis before Adolf Hitler did. He later served as the party’s interim leader. He wrote a virulent, best-selling book about the “Aryan” struggle against Jews...

[...]

Scholars had been eager to see what this longtime Nazi from Hitler’s inner circle had to say in the missing journal. But details of the Nazis’ grand plans for genocide and brutal domination are absent from the pages.

“Rosenberg obsessed a lot about the Jews — just not in his diary,” said Jurgen Matthaus, director of applied research at the museum’s Center for Advanced Holocaust Studies.

[...]

Rosenberg does occasionally raise the issue of Jews. On March 28, 1941, he referred to the opening conference of his brainchild, the Institute for Research into the Jewish Question.

“I regard the conference as a success,” Rosenberg wrote. “It is, after all, for the first time in European history, that ten European nations [were] represented at an anti-Jewish conference with a clear program to remove this race from Europe.

[...]

But little of this is mentioned in Rosenberg’s diary, which, for the period from 1941 to 1942, is “riddled with holes,” Matthaus said.

“If you are looking for shattering revelations about the Nazi era, you’re not going to find them,” he said.

“His diary often seems muted, if not silent, on crucial topics and important events, including the persecution of Jews,” Matthaus said.

[...]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/lon ... story.html


They're cute. They really seem not to understand why the Zio-Allied atrocity propaganda today known as "the Holocaust" was not reported in Rosenberg's diary. After reading tons of Holo-tales, they now sincerely think that was a real event and they can't understand why a Jew-hater "obsessed a lot about the Jews" like Rosenberg didn't talk about it with joy in his private diary. Cute and pretty pathetic in fact... :twisted:
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Re: Alfred Rosenberg diary unearthed!

Postby EtienneSC » 5 years 7 months ago (Sun Dec 22, 2013 3:20 pm)

To be fair, the USHMM deserve credit on this. They have followed Bradley Smith's advice, wittingly or not, and published the diary online - and that within a fairly tight timescale. Perhaps someone should propose a revisionist for their Board of Governors.

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Postby Nap » 5 years 4 months ago (Fri Apr 04, 2014 11:15 pm)

I have downloaded the whole set of HD pictures. Anyway Irving's site published the whole transcript here.
I do not know if the USHMM is going to keep them on-line for ever, so it is better to prevent. I do not know if other sites got the whole set of pics.

If anybody will (in that case) be interested in having the pictures (the text, as I said, is at fpp.co.uk), just PM me.

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Re: Alfred Rosenberg diary unearthed!

Postby Zulu » 5 years 4 months ago (Sat Apr 05, 2014 12:42 pm)

Hannover wrote:
Historians had long known that Rosenberg's diary existed; it was used as evidence in the Nuremberg trials ...
Oh really? In what way was a diary which cannot be shown to have incriminating entries "used as evidence"? Does anyone know how this diary was used at Nuremberg?

In Avalon, I found these occurences related to "Notes" attributed to Rosenberg if assumed from his diary,
Nazi Conspriracy and Aggression, Volume 4

- 1517-PS : Rosenberg's discussions with Hitler, 14 December 1941
I remarked on the Jewish question that the comments about the New York Jews must perhaps be changed somewhat after the conclusion (of matters in the East). I took the standpoint, not to speak of the extermination [Ausrottung] of the Jews. The Fuehrer affirmed this and said that they had burdened the war upon us and that they had brought the destruction; it is no wonder if the results would strike them first.

The Fuehrer further said that he did not deeem it necessary to order forth the other nations to contribute as yet, since they can produce therein a legal claim for later. He does that from time to time in single negotiations. I told him that I, too, had written that down as a question. I would comply with these instructions to edit more carefully the corresponding paragraphs in my speech. The Fuehrer agreed throughout that I had touched upon the Asiatic conflict.
http://avalon.law.yale.edu/imt/1517-ps.asp


- 1520-PS : Notes [Rosenberg] about a discussion with the Fuehrer at the Fuehrer Headquarters on the 8th of May 1942
http://avalon.law.yale.edu/imt/1520-ps.asp

Source: http://avalon.law.yale.edu/subject_menus/nca_v4menu.asp

The 1517-PS evidence is quoted as a footnote in Nazi Conspiracy and Aggression, Volume 1, Chapter XII - The Persecution of the Jews
1517-PS Memorandum from Rosenberg concerning discussion with the Fuehrer, 14 December 1941. (USA 824).....IV 55
However there is no specific indication of that document in the text.
http://avalon.law.yale.edu/imt/chap_12.asp

Another quote of 1517-PS is in
Nuremberg Trial Proceedings Volume 18
ONE HUNDRED AND SEVENTY-FOURTH DAY
Tuesday, 9 July 1946

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On the contrary, the true Rosenberg emerges in the conference of 16 July 1941 when, regarding Hitler's plans, he called attention to the University of Kiev and to the independence and cultural advancement of the Ukraine and when he took a stand against the intended full power of the Police and above all against the appointment of Gauleiter Erich Koch in the Ukraine (Document Number L-221).

One will contend: What is the use of opposition and protests, what is the use of secret reservations and of feigned agreement with Hitler's intentions-Rosenberg did co-operate all the same. Therefore he is responsible too. Later on I will outline in detail how and to what extent Rosenberg took part in the policy in the East, what things he did not do and how he opposed them, what he planned and desired himself in order to defend himself against the
grave charge of being responsible for the alleged exploitation and enslavement of the East. Here I would only like to point out the following: It was in no way a hopeless task to begin by accepting even Hitler's most passionate statements without contradiction in the hope and with the intention of nevertheless attaining a different result later on. In opposition to Hitler's statement: "No other than a German may ever bear weapons in the East," it was not long, for example, before, on Rosenberg's recommendation, legions of volunteers were formed from the peoples of the East; and in opposition to Hitler's wish, an edict of tolerance was issued at the end of 1941 for the churches of the East (Document Number 1517-PS).

http://avalon.law.yale.edu/imt/07-09-46.asp

Concerning the 1520-PS evidence I found this reference
Nuremberg Trial Proceedings Vol. 5
THIRTIETH DAY
Wednesday, 9 January 1946


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"5. The promulgation of laws, decrees, and other legal provisions and the execution of administrative measures and legal judgments shall be suspended if the Reich Protector enters an objection."

As a result of this law, the two Reich Protectors of Bohemia and Moravia and their various deputies were appointed; and then there were committed the various crimes which will be detailed by my Soviet colleague.

Similarly, with regard to the Netherlands on the 18th of May 1940, a decree of the Fuehrer was signed by Ribbentrop concerning the exercise of governmental authority in the Netherlands, and that Document 639-PS, which I put in as Exhibit GB-154, Section 1-says:: "The Occupied Netherlands Territories shall be administered by the Reich Commissioner for the Occupied Netherlands Territories . . . the Reich Commissioner is guardian of the interests of the Reich and vested with supreme civil authority. "Dr. Arthur Seyss-Inquart is hereby appointed Reich Commissioner for the Occupied Netherlands Territories."

On the basis of this decree, the Reich Commissioner-the Defendant Seyss-Inquart-promulgated such orders as that of the 4th of July 1940, dealing with the confiscation of property of those who had, or might have, furthered activities hostile to the German Reich; and tentative arrangements were made for the resettlement of the Dutch population. But all this will also be dealt with fully by my French colleagues.

I simply for the moment put in as a matter of reference the general order of the Defendant Seyss-Inquart, which is GB-155, the document being 2921-PS. I-do not intend to read it. I have summarized the effect of it and it will be dealt with more fully by my French colleagues.

I want the Tribunal to appreciate, with regard to these two matters, Bohemia and the Netherlands, that the charge against this defendant is laying the basis and procuring the governmental structure under which the War Crimes and Crimes against Humanity were directed.

I should also put in formally Exhibit GB-156, the discussion on the question of the Dutch population, which is contained in Document 1520-PS. Again I have explained it generally and I do not want to occupy time by reading it in full now.

http://avalon.law.yale.edu/imt/01-09-46.asp

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Re: Alfred Rosenberg diary unearthed!

Postby Zulu » 5 years 4 months ago (Sat Apr 05, 2014 12:50 pm)

borjastick wrote:
I suspect that the story will quietly disappear after no bomb-shells or even evidence of a program to murder Europe’s Jews is discovered within the diary’s pages. There may be a minor discovery based on a tortured translation, but nothing more. The diaries will then likely be sealed up and only allowed review under the watchful eye of the US Holocaust Memorial Museum lest anyone reveal some inconvenient history.

Richard Widmann - Inconvenient History

Well it seems he was correct in his assumption that these so called diaries have revealed nothing. As such they will be locked away so that the great unwashed and that includes us revisionists cannot possible bring a new perspective to the issue. Just like the dna testing and other post mortem tests on Yasser Arafat's body have so far been lacking in any further announcement. Back to the Rosenberg diaries it was baffling to think that the jews under the auspices of the USHMM should have anything to do with them. Conflict of interest should surely have ruled them out. As it should have done in the Nuremberg trials. The problem for the USHMM is that if they declared anything amazing from these diaries many wouldn't believe them.

After the publication of the diary by the USHMM, Richard A. Widmann wrote that article
No Smoking Gun, No Silver Bullets:
The Real News of Rosenberg's Diary


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While the USHMM was unable to find a “smoking gun” that supports the orthodox narrative, researchers should examine the documents for evidence of the truth of the events of these years. What does the diary reveal, if anything, about programs of mass deportation? What does it say about the epidemics that ran through the camps? Is there evidence that the National Socialist leadership sought to fight such epidemics? What evidence in the diary actually upholds the revisionist position?

I for one expect that honest inquiry would lead to the rightful revision of this dark time in our recent history. And only by correcting the mythology of this time can we move forward to understand the events of our modern history of the past 70 years. Perhaps a “silver bullet” may still be found in the diary’s pages—a bullet that can be aimed at the hateful conspiracy theory that today goes by the name “Holocaust.”
http://inconvenienthistory.com/archive/ ... ullets.php

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Re: Alfred Rosenberg diary unearthed!

Postby Werd » 4 years 4 months ago (Mon Mar 23, 2015 8:04 pm)

The diary offers a loose collection of Rosenberg's recollections from spring 1936 to winter 1944, according to the museum's analysis. Most entries are written in Rosenberg's looping cursive, some on paper torn from a ledger book and others on the back of official Nazi stationary, the analysis said.

So not only do the diaries not contain any hard evidence of the holocaust, but neither do his memoirs that he wrote while incarcerated.
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Re: Alfred Rosenberg diary unearthed!

Postby Mulegino1 » 4 years 4 months ago (Fri Apr 10, 2015 5:01 pm)

Thanks to Inconvenient History blog for these gems:

http://revblog.codoh.com/2013/06/publis ... g-diaries/

“The discovery may even cause embarrassment to the keepers of the orthodox Holocaust story. Rosenberg’s initial thoughts and comments after being shown atrocity films during the Nuremberg trials have long been recorded and published. In fact, Nuremberg psychiatrist G.M. Glibert published these in his Nuremberg Diary in 1961.

Gilbert recorded the reaction of Rosenberg to “recent revelations” as follows:

“Of course, it’s terrible – incomprehensible, the whole business. – I would never have dreamed it would take such a turn – I don’t know. – Terrible!”

And later during the interview:

“I don’t know. I guess it just ran away with him [Hitler]. – We didn’t contemplate killing anybody in the beginning; I can assure you of that. I always advocated a peaceful solution. I held a speech before 10,000 people which was later printed and distributed widely, advocating a peaceful solution. – Just taking the Jews out of their influential positions, that’s all. Like instead of having 90 per cent of the doctors in Berlin Jewish, reducing them to 30 per cent, or something like that – which would have been a liberal quota even then. – I had no idea that it would lead to such horrible things as mass murder. We only wanted to solve the Jewish problem peacefully. We even let 50,000 Jewish intellectuals get across the border.”

Rosenberg continued on the idea of Jewish Lebensraum:

“Well, I knew they were being transported to the East, and understood that they were being set up in camps with their own administration, and eventually would settle somewhere in the East. – I don’t know. – I had no idea that it would lead to extermination in any literal sense. We just wanted to take them out of German political life.”

Comment:

It is interesting that the defendants at Nuremberg appeared to have expressed genuine shock and befuddlement when shown these atrocity films. Being absolutely taken aback by them is a sign that there was no extermination policy at all.
(Goering finally recognized that they were just atrocity propaganda.)

As Reichminister For the Occupied Eastern Territories, Rosenberg could not possibly have failed to have made continued references in his diaries to the mass executions of the Einsatzgruppen allegedly going on in these areas. He would have been getting all types of complaints and protests from lower officials, prominent citizens in the various occupied areas, as well as outraged officers of the Heer.

He would have had massive correspondence regarding these events and would certainly have made some references to them in his personal diaries were they a matter of official Reich policy- even if it was a “secret” program produced by telepathy and verbal hints.


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