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Re: Caroline Sturdy Colls publishes

Postby Kingfisher » 6 years 9 months ago (Mon Sep 16, 2013 8:14 am)

The Express strapline:
A POWERFUL, disturbing TV documentary about the Nazi death camp Treblinka is set to silence the “lies” of those who deny the Holocaust.
Notice the quote marks. Do we have a mole inside the Express subeditors? :wink:

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Re: Caroline Sturdy Colls publishes

Postby friedrichjansson » 6 years 9 months ago (Mon Sep 16, 2013 8:29 am)

It's interesting that most of the quotes of Sturdy Colls that appear in the article are not new, but appeared already in her BBC interview in early 2012, as discussed here by Thomas Kues. In particular the quote “Another five pits of varying sizes are located nearby. Given their size and location, there is a strong case for arguing that they represent burial areas” is taken from that interview.

One would suspect that if Sturdy Colls had found anything spectacular since early 2012 it would be mentioned here. The fact that nothing new is mentioned suggests that she has not found very much beyond what she reported in early 2012 - or that if she has she's keeping it well under wraps. But I would tend to imagine that if she had found something spectacular then she would not be presenting it as part of a "groundbreaking new season of Channel 5 documentaries about the Nazi regime which also includes the real-life quest for the Holy Grail, which inspired the film Indiana Jones And The Last Crusade, and a secret plan by Adolf Hitler to fly German planes into Manhattan skyscrapers in an eerie portent of the 9/11 attacks on the World Trade Center."

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Re: Caroline Sturdy Colls publishes

Postby EtienneSC » 6 years 8 months ago (Thu Oct 24, 2013 10:21 am)

Sorry folks, but the "lies" (in quotes in the article, interestingly) of those who deny the holocaust are about to be silenced after 70 years by a new TV documentary featuring early career academic Caroline Study Colls:
http://www.express.co.uk/entertainment/tv-radio/429454/Unearthed-the-horrors-of-Hitler-s-WW2-death-camp-in-Treblinka
Due out on UK Channel 5. Unbeknownst to us, she has found "five pits of varying sizes", about which she says "Given their size and location, there is a strong case for arguing that they represent burial areas." (this quote comes from a 2012 interview cited above)

(sorry this is from September 2013 - we've already seen it)

She does refer to bone fragments, which although not news, does confirm that there are human remains buried there.

The documentary is one of a series about the "absurd, mind-boggling, incomprehensibly evil things" that the Nazis did. (Killing the workforce their war effort depended on, breaking the laws of physics by cramming 32 people into 2 cubic meters, using diesel exhaust to suffocate their victims, etc)

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Re: Caroline Sturdy Colls publishes

Postby EtienneSC » 6 years 7 months ago (Sun Nov 24, 2013 7:42 am)

The latest in this long-running but thin-on-facts saga is that the documentary featuring Caroline Sturdy Colls that we previously identified is to be aired on the UK's Channel 5 on Wednesday 27 November 2013.
http://www.channel5.com/shows/treblinka-inside-hitlers-secret-death-camp
The blurb says that it is a "Documentary following a team of British archaeologists who have been granted unprecedented access to investigate and excavate Hitler's most notorious death camp, Treblinka in north east Poland, where more than 800,000 people were killed between 1942 and 1943. Caroline Sturdy Colls and her team carry out the first ever comprehensive forensic investigation of Treblinka."

Interestingly they use the word "comprehensive", whereas non-revisionists have suggested that it was only preliminary and not exhaustive owing to the limited number of "pits" identified. Unfortunately, I won't be able to see it, but perhaps a UK viewer will be able to give us a review. I have however, seen three of the other episodes of this five part series. It seems to be a pretty low budget affair with various British scholars and commentators dragooned in to badmouth "the Nazis" for various real or imagined misdeeds, including their part in the search for the holy grail (it's in the South of France apparently), the Lebensborn project of "breeding" and caring for "pure Aryan" children and the "Seven Days that made the Führer" (which did not include the Night of the Long Knives on 30 June 1934). There was also reference to a skeleton collection of Jews which I think made a claim of "gassings" at a little known concentration camp.

The TV advert for the 90 minute documentary has no actual information on Treblinka, though Dr Sturdy Colls describes it as a "whole landscape of death".

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Re: Caroline Sturdy Colls publishes

Postby borjastick » 6 years 7 months ago (Sun Nov 24, 2013 9:29 am)

Thanks for the tip EtienneSC I'll be sure to tune in and watch this bundle of fun. No doubt it will be packed to the rafters with gas chamber proof, body parts and bones and of course millions of teeth thus, once and for all, proving the claims of Treblinka being a Devil inspired killing ground of 800,000 jews and a few others thrown in for ethnic balance...

It won't mention the reality of it being a transit camp, that it sits close to the Bugg River and by the railway line gauge change, but it will use as exhibit A the Hoefle telegram which as we all know, is all the proof any sane person needs to be convinced of the inhumane activities carried out there. She will of course dismiss the lack of structural evidence as a minor detail and expect to carry all the viewers to her nonsensical conclusions. Though she will show cooking and eating utensils, found in every location where humans cluster.

That the Polish borders were traded by Russia and Germany, that millions of Poles and others were moving through the region during the war, that millions went east into Russia or were left stranded behind the Iron Curtain at the war's end is of course irrelevant.

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Re: Caroline Sturdy Colls publishes

Postby Charles Traynor » 6 years 7 months ago (Mon Nov 25, 2013 4:11 pm)

Holohoax enthusiasts living outside the UK who want to watch this show live can head over to http://www.filmon.com From the menu on the left click on UK TV Live >>>Channel 5. Double click on the small video screen to bring up full screen mode with no adverts. The video quality whilst not quite up to HD standards is acceptable.

There is also an Android app for this site so streaming video can be viewed on most mobile devices.
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Re: Caroline Sturdy Colls publishes

Postby Hektor » 6 years 7 months ago (Tue Nov 26, 2013 5:23 pm)

Please make videos available as mp4, avi or any other commonly used format.

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Re: Caroline Sturdy Colls publishes

Postby EtienneSC » 6 years 7 months ago (Thu Nov 28, 2013 4:10 am)

I watched the Channel 5 program on 27 Nov 2013 on Caroline Sturdy Colls' (CSC) excavations at Treblinka. It is viewable until 27 Nov 2014. The program is 1.07.02 hours long (excluding adverts) and times relate to this. I took the following rough notes on the content:

The program starts with an aerial survey of the area around Treblinka 1 and 2 camps. This produces "LIDOR" [?] images of the area, which show the ground without tree cover. As a result, CSC decides to excavate two trenches in the labor camp Treblinka 1 (as opposed to the reputed death camp Treblinka 2). This unearths (uncremated) human remains, one of which is a child. A Pole is interviewed in connection with them. CSC concludes that these indicate previously unknown mass graves and concludes the digging in this location.

In the next section, CSC is judged to be "a very pure soul" by a Rabbi and given permission for limited digging, unless a mass grave is found, in which case she is required to stop. If she is any doubt, she is told to consult him.

She then identifies human remains, including charred bone fragments on the ground by the symbolic cremation pit. Testimony was cited to the effect that human remains were strewn around the local area rather than buried in a particular place. Valery Grossman was cited saying that he heard wailing from the ground as he drove over the area after the Soviets took over the area. Typically of the series, no scepticism is expressed about this in the voiceover.

27.00 The LIDOR image is shown again: a screen shot would be useful for researchers.
31.40 Initial excavations yield no evidence of the foundation of the second gas chambers. It is suggested that the Nazis had concealed their crimes. CSC stops the dig and concludes that "At the end of the day, we just keep on looking."
34.00 There is a meeting with historians, including Robert van der Leys [?]. CSC refers to "denier arguments", indicating for the first time that she is aware of them. She says that the surviving maps of the area are contradictory. This does not lead her to question their authenticity.
It is decided to excavate the area of the first gas chambers. Jewelry is found and the suggestion made that those who took it there could not have known they were going to be killed. This leads to a long section on the Warsaw ghetto
41.00 There is reference to an order for deportation. Deportations happened "in complete secrecy, with few records, known only through a few eyewitnesses."
48.20 Samuel Willenberg is interviewed. He says that "We thought deportees were taken East." He then tells the story about surviving as he was told to say he was a mason.
56.00 There is another dig looking for the first gas chambers. This unearths tiles with "Stars of David" (they are 6 pointed, with a dot in the middle), and larger masonry and bricks. It is stated that the ground 70 years ago was several feet below the current ground level. CSC believes this is because the Nazis covered the area with sand to conceal their crimes.
1.02.00 The bricks are to be tested chemically. It was not said for what. It was also stated that CSC believes Treblinka 2 was 10% larger than previously believed. One of the researchers says he doesn't think excavations are inappropriate.

Other witnesses cited were the Jewish Mr Zrzepicki and Ukrainian Pavel Leliko.

All in all, the remains of at least three people were discovered in the mass grave at Treblinka 1. There was no evidence that they were Jewish. There were human bone fragments on the ground, though no indication of their extent. The remains of a building supposed to have been the initial gas chambers were identified in Treblinka 2. There is limited permission to dig. Further work is planned for 2014.

In conclusion, I found nothing in the new archaeological data to fundamentally challenge the conclusions of either side. The most striking point was that the "pit" previously identified in Treblinka 2 as perhaps being a burial pit was not excavated - a dog that did not bark. It seemed that the theory that the ashes were scattered over a wide area may be stressed as this would explain the absence of cremated remains in a single area. This would not of course address the argument that there is insufficient space in Treblinka 2 for the initial burial of gassed victims. Hence perhaps, the vague reference to a "whole landscape of death".

As time passes and further work of a similar nature is done, Mattogno's arguments may gain wider credibility.

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Re: Caroline Sturdy Colls publishes

Postby Mkk » 6 years 7 months ago (Thu Nov 28, 2013 11:27 am)

There was no evidence that they were Jewish.

They werent supposed to be AFAIK. The narrator mentions that the prisoners at Treblinka 1 included Poles. We already know that they dont excavate Treblinka 2 because they're forbidden to disturb a Jewish burial site, so that means they must have assumed any remains in the grave in the forest was of Poles.
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Re: Caroline Sturdy Colls publishes

Postby Hannover » 6 years 7 months ago (Thu Nov 28, 2013 11:38 am)

There is no proof they were "Poles".

And why can't they "disturb a Jewish burial site", it's done all the time.
see:
The Big Excuse: 'excavation & exhumation of Jews forbidden'

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Re: Caroline Sturdy Colls publishes

Postby Moderator » 6 years 7 months ago (Thu Nov 28, 2013 2:56 pm)

For more on the Colls / Treblinka creative TV drama see:
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and:
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=7298&start=60
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Re: Caroline Sturdy Colls publishes

Postby Hektor » 5 years 1 month ago (Tue May 26, 2015 9:57 am)

borjastick wrote:I have recently done some rudimentary research, call it a casual google search and subsequent reading, into the mass murder by the Khmer Rouge. The point being to look at the differences between the acceptance of these crimes and those claimed to have happened in the holocaust. The Sturdey Colls report and Wilf's assessment of it highlights some of the major differences.

Cambodia is what I think of, when I hear Holocaust claims. Some funny discrepancies there.
borjastick wrote:The issue of the KR crimes seems to be in little doubt. The numbers are wide ranging from 500,000 - 2,500,000 but no one doubts the acts themselves as there are sites, excavations, and plenty of human remains. This is entirely different to the holocaust. Sturdey Colls' proposed method of holocaust archeology is quite extraordinary. She seems to be saying that one can stand at a site claimed as a site of mass murder, in this case Treblinka, and carry out zero invasive research and yet arrive at an acceptable definitive conclusion.
Yet the whole affair doesn't get remotely the attention (or promotion) the Holocaust narrative gets. Is there any special reason for this?

borjastick wrote:If I go to the killing fields I can see with my own eyes the skeletons by the tens of thousand and yet there appears to be no revisionist activity concerning this part of history, I guess there's no money to be chased, or land to be thieved from the locals!

Well, there is some "denial" and "minimizing" by leftist intellectuals. Noam Chomsky comes to mind. Yet he doesn't get any bad rep for this, like he i.e. got for defending Holocaust revisionists right to free speech.

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Re: Caroline Sturdy Colls publishes

Postby Atigun » 3 years 2 months ago (Sat Apr 22, 2017 5:44 pm)

At some point, CS-C states that she will return to Treblinka to definitely locate the giant mass graves. That was after her 2012 and last session at Treblinka. I have not been able to locate that statement by CS-C. Can anyone help me with that?

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Re: Caroline Sturdy Colls publishes

Postby Atigun » 3 years 2 months ago (Sat Apr 29, 2017 12:36 pm)

Geez, no help from anyone?

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Re: Caroline Sturdy Colls publishes

Postby cold beer » 3 years 2 months ago (Sat Apr 29, 2017 6:01 pm)

With the jews in control of Ukraine expect them to pull all kinds of stunts.


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