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Re: War Against Syria and the 2010s' Pop-Narrative of WWII

Postby phdnm » 7 years 4 months ago (Thu Sep 05, 2013 3:27 pm)

Abe Foxman: Jewish Responsibility to Act When People Gassed

After a coalition of Jewish and pro-Israel organizations came together yesterday and endorsed President Barack Obama’s request for congressional authorization to attack Syria, Abraham Foxman, national director of the Anti-Defamation League, called it a “moral imperative” to act.

Foxman said he wished the world had responded 70 years ago when Jews were being gassed in Nazi concentration camps.

Our people have been exterminated by the use of gas,” Foxman said. “We cannot stand by without a reaction when we see gas being used to kill others.”

Others talked about the need to send a signal to other rogue states that the use of poison gas or other weapons of mass destruction would not be tolerated. The U.S. has warned Iran against developing nuclear weapons, just as it warned Syria about using chemical weapons.

“The implications are much broader when you have Iran watching this,” said Malcolm Hoenlein, executive vice chairman of the Conference of Presidents of Major American Jewish Organizations.

A leader of the Christian right, Gary Bauer, expressed concern that without U.S. action, Syria’s chemical weapons could fall into the hands of al-Qaida or other Islamic terrorist groups now operating in Syria. That’s the argument Obama needs to make in order to galvanize public support for an attack.

“He makes an international law argument,” said Bauer, president of American Values. “The polling shows people aren’t going to buy that. You can make a strong case that the existence of those weapons in the middle of civil war risks another 9/11 down the road.”

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Re: War Against Syria and the 2010s' Pop-Narrative of WWII

Postby phdnm » 7 years 4 months ago (Thu Sep 05, 2013 3:41 pm)

Rabbis urge Congress to back Obama on Syria

WASHINGTON — Leading rabbis covering the religious and political spectrum urged lawmakers in Congress to support President Obama’s plans to strike Syria to stop its use of chemical weapons.

We write you as descendants of Holocaust survivors and refugees, whose ancestors were gassed to death in concentration camps,” said the letter sent Wednesday, on the eve of Rosh Hashanah. “We write you as a people who have faced persecution for many centuries, and are glad to have found a safe refuge where we can thrive in the United States.”

The 17 signers included Rabbi Eric Yoffie, a past president of the Union for Reform Judaism; Rabbi Yosef Blau, the rosh yeshiva at Yeshiva University; leaders of the Conservative movement; and essayists such as Leon Wieseltier and Rabbi Joseph Telushkin.

They called on Congress “with great urgency to authorize the President to use force in Syria ‘in connection with the use of chemical weapons or other weapons of mass destruction,’ as outlined in his August 31st draft legislation.

“Through this act, Congress has the capacity to save thousands of lives,” the letter said.

The authors noted that the letter was timed for before the Days of Awe between Rosh Hashanah and Yom Kippur.

“May this coming year be one of life and creation the world over, in which we cease to witness the deaths of so many innocent human beings,” it said.

http://www.jta.org/2013/09/04/news-opin ... z2e3KePrha

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Re: War Against Syria and the 2010s' Pop-Narrative of WWII

Postby Kingfisher » 7 years 4 months ago (Thu Sep 05, 2013 5:05 pm)

There are historical reasons for the particular phobia about gas above all the other nasty ways of killing people such as high explosive, napalm, shapnel, bayonets, cluster and splinter bombs which, apparently are acceptable, but I have long thought that the distinction could not be justified objectively and logically.

Paul Eisen found the following in the Occidental Observer:
The Gas Cloud of Western Intervention
This appeared in The Occidental Observer and reminds me of the absolutely wonderful "The Gas-Chamber of Sherlock Holmes" from which I derived most of my "But how could the Holocaust not be true?"

“Gas! Gas! Gas! Nasty, wicked pois’nous gasssssssssss!!!!!!!”

There, is your knee-jerking yet? Have you started to salivate and get sweaty palmed and developed the requisite insatiable craving for moralistic war against the media designated demons responsible for such unbelievable, unique, and unprecedented evil?

No? Then, your conditioning will have to be continued, the voltage upped, so that, whenever necessary, your leaders and betters will be able to sell you another ugly little war in which the mighty hollow West can bomb some destabilized little patch of naturally-occurring chaos or tyranny back into tyranny or chaos again.

But why has gas been ascribed this holy, sanctifying, incense-like role in the lustrations of war? A little history is perhaps in order.

Although there may have been crude forerunners in more primitive times, its use in modern warfare and mass moral hysteria dates from WWI and the German attack on the French trenches at Ypres on April 22, 1915, when a cloud of creeping green gas, released from cylinders, caused thousands of casualties and created a four-mile gap in the front, which the Germans, alas, were unable to exploit due to a lack of reserves.
This of course was a war that was not short on ways of killing vast swathes of humanity, but for some reason this relatively novel method was greeted with particular opprobrium. As the war historian and my partial namesake,

Captain Basil Liddell-Hart put it in his history of the Great War:

The chlorine gas originally used was undeniably cruel, but no worse than the frequent effect of shell or bayonet, and when it was succeeded by improved forms of gas both experience and statistics proved it the least inhumane of modern weapons. But it was novel and therefore labeled an atrocity by a world which condones abuses but detests innovations. Thus Germany incurred the moral odium which inevitably accompanies the use of a new weapon without any compensating advantage.
~ The Real War 1914–1918, p. 129

The introduction of gas by the Germans was a mistake as the British and French were more than capable of retaliating while enjoying a meteorological advantage — the wind generally blows from the West in that part of the world. But, more importantly, gas fitted into the dominant British propaganda narrative of the war, with its music hall version of the “dastardly Hun,” forever raping nuns and spearing infants on his bayonet.

The fact that Britain devised its own terrible novelties, like the starvation blockade, creeping barrage, and the mass explosive mining of entire sectors, as at Messines, was neither here nor there. Their propaganda was much better.

After the war, the stench of propaganda hung so heavily around this particular method of killing that it was banned by the Geneva Protocol, whereas aerial bombing, massed artillery, barbed wire, and machine gunning weren’t — a ban surprisingly that lasted throughout WWII, which added area-bombing, fire-bombing, and nuclear bombing to the mix, along with ethnic cleansing, and mass rape, all methods of war that made localized gas attacks seem rather innocuous by comparison.

The fact that the Germans refrained from using gas in WWII must have come as something of a disappointment for the propagandists of the West, as an aura or atrocity continued to hang around the method that could easily be converted into moral capital. This is more or less what happened after the war when the narrative of the Nazis gassing 6 million Jews was developed.

This association, whether based on facts or not, continued to maintain the extreme moral odium of gas well above all other methods of warfare into the post-war period. This can be demonstrated by the part that Saddam Hussein’s gas attack on the Kurdish village of Halabja played in his subsequent demonization.

There are historical and associational reasons why gas is so abhorred, but, in a world in which many other and worse horrors exist, the particular moral odium reserved for gas remains something of an absurdity.
The special emotions that poison gas evokes also make it a convenient trigger for war-mongers, so any appearance of gas in a situation like the present one in Syria, combined with calls for war, should be treated with the same kind of circumspection and doubt we would show if Secretary of State Kerry had declared that the Syrian army was adorned with pointy tails and raping nuns and bayoneting babies.

But even if the Syrian army is using gas instead of US Special Forces or Syrian rebels doing so in order to create an incident to justify NATO aggression, would this really be any more evil than what America has been doing in recent years? Why is a whiff of Syrian gas any worse than shock and awe or thousands of drone attacks in which countless civilians have also been killed.

The projectile weapons (shells, missiles, bullets, etc.) that the pseudo-moralistic West prefers to employ differ from gas in that, in theory, they can be targeted, whereas gas by its very nature acts in a more nebulous and indiscriminate way.

Even if it is used with careful attention to local weather conditions and for precise military reasons, gas, once it is released, can be said to take on a life of its own, as unexpected gusts of wind and other hard to calculate factors take effect. Its inherent unpredictability was probably the main reason the Germans avoided using it in World War II.

Yes, unpredictability of consequence is definitely a good moral reason not to use something or to do something. So why, then, are Western leaders pushing for yet another war that will have a hard-to-predict outcome?

After Afghanistan, Iraq, and Libya, and after supporting the stupidity of the Arab Spring, the lesson is clear: no matter how precise the West’s weapon systems may be, the effect of their use, in destroying local power structures and destabilizing relationships in the nations affected, is tantamount to releasing a giant, nebulous, and unpredictable cloud of death, and one that could blow back on us at some time in the future.


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Re: War Against Syria and the 2010s' Pop-Narrative of WWII

Postby hermod » 7 years 4 months ago (Thu Sep 05, 2013 8:00 pm)

I do not understand the squeamishness about the use of gas. I am strongly in favour of using poisonous gas against uncivilised tribes.
- Winston 'The Greatest Briton' Churchill, writing as president of the Air Council in 1919.
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Re: War Against Syria and the 2010s' Pop-Narrative of WWII

Postby borjastick » 7 years 4 months ago (Fri Sep 06, 2013 4:44 am)

The possibility of an attack on Arabs in the middle east is a gift to the jews and zionists that keeps on giving. They are now in hyperdrive pushing all of their favoured sons and daughters in the halls of political influence, to invoke the Holocaust at all opportunities as a reason to bomb Assad. Look at the way they connect the invisible dots to associate the chemical attack in Syria to the gas chambers and mass murder of jews in WW2. They don't call the attack a chemical warfare horror but a gas attack, in this way they can connect it to the claims they make about the holocaust.

Personally if Assad did use chemical weapons against civilians he deserves a good kicking but the jews jumping on the bandwagon and urging warfare is sickening. I wouldn't be surprised if the attack was carried out by Mossad.
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Re: War Against Syria and the 2010s' Pop-Narrative of WWII

Postby Kingfisher » 7 years 4 months ago (Sat Sep 07, 2013 1:50 am)

jeremy Bowen has a very good, objective and analytical article on Syria in this week's New Statesman.

Some extracts:
The other day, I went to the office of Faisal Mekdad, Syria’s deputy foreign minister. He picked up on the theme. Mekdad asked why it was that Barack Obama wanted to attack the Syrian regime when it was fighting al- Qaeda. Syria and the west, he said, shared a common enemy. It made no sense to fight but President Obama, he said, was determined to attack Syria.

When I asked Mekdad about the evidence that the Americans had come up with for the use of chemical weapons, he looked back into history, too. He explained that he had been Syria’s ambassador at the UN and remembered when the then US secretary of state, Colin Powell, gave his infamous briefing about weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. The new evidence, he said, was just as useless.

The amiable, extremely well-connected Mokhtar Lamani, who is the head of the office of the UN peace envoy in Damascus, recalled what he had seen at the UN during the Rwandan and Bosnian genocides in the 1990s. The humanitarian situation here is already a near catastrophe, he said, but if sectarian hatred in Syria continues to increase, there could be a huge genocide.

All of Syria’s minorities are in danger, he warned, but the most threatened are President Bashar al-Assad’s Alawites.

Damascus is groaning under the weight of two million displaced people and is at the centre of a civil war that has developed into a regional proxy fight. The Saudis, Iranians, Qataris, Iraqis, Turks, Jordanians, Lebanese and Israelis all have a big stake in what is happening. So do Russia and the US and its western friends. The war is now about much more than Syria alone. That is why it’s the greatest foreign policy, strategic and humanitarian crisis of our time.

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Re: War Against Syria and the 2010s' Pop-Narrative of WWII

Postby astro3 » 7 years 4 months ago (Sun Sep 08, 2013 12:17 pm)

]Jews try to start WW3 by re-playing holohoax card
“We write you as descendants of Holocaust survivors and refugees, whose ancestors were gassed to death in concentration camps,
– The same fake narrative is being re-used, and will it work again? (Rabbis urge Congress to back Obama on Syria http://www.jta.org/2013/09/04/news-opin ... z2eJxWME8B)

Veterans Today:
some 250 Jewish leaders and the so-called activists affiliated to the American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC) will be reportedly flocking into the halls on Capitol Hill early next week in order to “persuade lawmakers that Congress must adopt the resolution or risk emboldening Iran’s efforts to build a nuclear weapon.” According to the report, they will be lobbying virtually every member of Congress to persuade them into believing that if they launched an attack against the “barbaric Assad regime”, they would practically hold Iran back from treading on the path of producing nukes…t should be noted however that the AIPAC is not the only functioning Zionist lobbying organization in the US and that which is spearheading a military strike against Syria but there are others such as the Anti-Defamation League (ADL) and the Republican Jewish Coalition (RJC) actively involved in the crisis.

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2013/09/06 ... -zionists/
For how Jewish groups in the US took it to war in Iraq see Michael Collins Piper, ‘The High Priests of war.’

By bombing Syria, the Rabbis claim to hope, “May this coming year be one of life and creation the world over, in which we cease to witness the deaths of so many innocent human beings.” This is a very profound level of inner dishonesty.

Let's quote Gilad Atzman:
In the next few days and completely against the will of the American people, hundreds of AIPAC activists will raid the American Congress to push for a war. Nothing new in that but still, one question bothers me: How many of these pro-war Jews have sent their own sons and daughters to serve in the American military?

Bearing in mind that pretty much the same Lobby pushed for the invasion of Iraq in 2003, one might wonder whether Jews were fairly represented in the military forces or in the casualty statistics of that military blunder. I’d guess they were not. It seems that the enthusiasm of the Lobby in pushing for wars for America doesn’t translate much into patriotism or sacrifice. The Lobby indeed pushes for wars, but somehow it’s always the gentiles who do the killing and the dying.http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/?p=79398

It is clear that Assad has not been gassing his own people - very clear, after all it was he who invited in the UN inspectors to investigate three sites of earlier gassing events (http://terroronthetube.co.uk/2013/08/22 ... #more-4078). Clearly, the Empire has created this 'false-flag' gassing event precisely to stop these 20 UN investigators from doing their stuff, and reaching the conclusion we all know they would have reached.

The Assad-gassing story has been well decribed by Putin as 'unimaginable nonsense.'

This is an apocalyptic moment - on the 12th anniversary of 9/11 - and if this Jewish war-drive fails then with luck people will become allowed to discuss the original WMD gassing hoax.

Nothing could show more clearly the tremendous warmaking potential of the poisonous Holo-myth.

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Re: War Against Syria and the 2010s' Pop-Narrative of WWII

Postby Hannover » 7 years 4 months ago (Tue Sep 10, 2013 7:38 pm)

Something that is obvious to all but the blind:
According to two polls reported this weekend by the Jerusalem Post, Israelis by 7-1 do not want Israel to go to war with Syria. But two-thirds of Israelis favor the United States going to war with Syria.

http://original.antiwar.com/buchanan/20 ... ltway-war/

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If it can't happen as alleged, then it didn't.

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Re: War Against Syria and the 2010s' Pop-Narrative of WWII

Postby phdnm » 7 years 4 months ago (Wed Sep 11, 2013 1:08 am)

Reid compares Assad’s attacks to Nazi gas chambers

Senate majority leader tries to drum up support in Congress for American military actions against Syria


Harry Reid

Harry Reid, the majority leader in the US Senate, compared Syrian President Bashar Assad’s alleged chemical weapons attacks against his citizens to the Nazi gas chambers.

“Millions and millions of civilians and prisoners of war were murdered by gas in Nazi death camps, Treblinka, Auschwitz. ‘Never again,’ swore the world. Never again would we permit the use of these poisonous weapons of war,” Reid (D-Nev.) said during debate on the Senate floor on Monday, The Hill reported.

Reid is working to convince at least 16 Republican senators to vote for a resolution authorizing a US military strike against Syria in retaliation for an alleged chemical attack last month in north Damascus that killed more than 1,000 people, including hundreds of children.

The Nevada lawmaker also cited an inscription found on the wall of the US Holocaust Memorial Museum from Dante’s “Inferno.”

“The hottest places in hell are reserved for those who, in times of great moral crisis, maintain their neutrality,’” he told the Senate Foreign Relations Committee.

Reid compares Assad?s attacks to Nazi gas chambers | The Times of Israel

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