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“Resettlement to the East”: Thermar's Jews

Postby hermod » 6 years 1 month ago (Mon Oct 21, 2013 7:01 pm)

The Holohoaxsters always explain us that "resettlement to the East" was just a Nazi codeword meaning "deported and gassed in Poland's Death camps".

The website of the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum (USHMM) states:

In order to hide the killing operation as much as possible from the uninitiated, Hitler ordered that the killings not be spoken of directly in German documentation or in public statements. Instead, the Germans used codenames and neutral-sounding terms for the killing process. In Nazi parlance, for example, [...] “resettlement to the East” (Umsiedlung nach dem Osten) referred to the forced deportation of Jewish civilians to killing centers in German-occupied Poland

http://www.ushmm.org/wlc/en/article.php ... d=10007273


But for the few dozens of Jews from the small German city of Themar, it seems that "resettlement to the East" didn't mean "gassed in Poland" but resettled to the East - Minsk, Riga, Therezienstadt, etc. (see the map below)

Themar sits more or less in the middle of the state of Thüringen and also more or less in the middle of Germany.

a centre of 3,000 people

Themar is 120 km to the southwest of Erfurt

between 1865-1943 more than 30 families made their home in Themar.

http://www.judeninthemar.org/?page_id=4
http://www.judeninthemar.org/?page_id=6


Deportations of Themar’s Jewish Families, 1941-1945

On January 1, 1941 there were approximately 145 members of Themar’s Jewish families in Europe

The map below indicates the sites from which and to which the people were deported.
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http://www.judeninthemar.org/?page_id=4309
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Re: “Resettlement to the East”: Thermar's Jews

Postby Hannover » 6 years 1 month ago (Mon Oct 21, 2013 7:51 pm)

Well done, hermod.

Tons more debunking of the ever so desperate claim that 'resettlement meant extermination' here:

Where did they go? Killed?

Just added in that thread:
http://winstonsmithministryoftruth.blog ... -jews.html

Also recommended, from the British decrypts:
Concentration Camp Vital Statistics

see 'related topics' linked below

This really is too easy.

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Re: “Resettlement to the East”: Thermar's Jews

Postby Werd » 6 years 1 month ago (Tue Oct 22, 2013 1:07 am)

Oh I don't think Muehlenkamp and co are going to like this. Seems like this is just another beating to be added on to the one already taken here.
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Re: “Resettlement to the East”: Thermar's Jews

Postby laapatti » 6 years 1 month ago (Tue Oct 22, 2013 2:07 am)

Werd wrote:Oh I don't think Muehlenkamp and co are going to like this.


To be honest, I don't think it will come to them as a surprise that German Jews were sent to Minsk and Riga in 1941-1942. Rest of the destinations seem not to be "over the Bug".

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Re: “Resettlement to the East”: Thermar's Jews

Postby Hannover » 6 years 1 month ago (Tue Oct 22, 2013 10:00 am)

laapatti wrote:
Werd wrote:Oh I don't think Muehlenkamp and co are going to like this.


To be honest, I don't think it will come to them as a surprise that German Jews were sent to Minsk and Riga in 1941-1942. Rest of the destinations seem not to be "over the Bug".
laapatti,
May I suggest that you actually read the links I included. It's rather obvious that Jews were resettled deep into the USSR.
i.e.: http://winstonsmithministryoftruth.blog ... 98af3d7373

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Re: “Resettlement to the East”: Thermar's Jews

Postby borjastick » 6 years 1 month ago (Tue Oct 22, 2013 11:35 am)

May I suggest people read what I think was one of the most enlightening threads this year. It comes from a jewish guy whose own parents were resettled way out in the east far beyond Moscow. It's a fascinating read and proves, that whether by own choice, Russian coercion or of course German expulsion the mass movement of Jews out of German sphere of control is a fact.

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Re: “Resettlement to the East”: Thermar's Jews

Postby hermod » 6 years 1 month ago (Wed Oct 23, 2013 2:08 am)

laapatti wrote:
Werd wrote:Oh I don't think Muehlenkamp and co are going to like this.


To be honest, I don't think it will come to them as a surprise that German Jews were sent to Minsk and Riga in 1941-1942. Rest of the destinations seem not to be "over the Bug".


They denied Western Jews were deported over the Bug for decades, as the Reinhardt camps along the Bug river were supposed to be "death camps", deadly last stops for Western Jews on their road to the allegedly deceitful "resettlement to the East". I didn't claim I was the first to bring a proof of Western jews being deported to the East of the Bug river. I've just brought an additonal one, from a Kosher source.

How do you think those Western Jews arrived at Minsk and Riga? By trains of course. And as the European and Russian rail gauges were different, those Jews had to stop at transit points. Where were the rail junctions between Russia and Europe located, even long before WW2? Or in other words, where was the former border between the Prussian and Russian empires located? On the Bug river, precisely where the Germans built their Reinhardt camps. What a perfect place to build transit camps in order to deport people to the Soviet Union, isn't it? What an amazing coincidence the Reinhardt camps were built in that area, isn't it? :wink:
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Re: “Resettlement to the East”: Thermar's Jews

Postby laapatti » 6 years 1 month ago (Thu Oct 24, 2013 12:23 pm)

hermod wrote:How do you think those Western Jews arrived at Minsk and Riga? By trains of course. And as the European and Russian rail gauges were different, those Jews had to stop at transit points.


According to this travel report from October 1942 for a deportation from Wien to Minsk, there was a change at Wolkowitz:

http://ausstellung.de.doew.at/popup.php?t=img&id=649

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Re: “Resettlement to the East”: Thermar's Jews

Postby Hannover » 6 years 1 month ago (Thu Oct 24, 2013 12:50 pm)

What's your point, laapatti?

Verbatim, please translate this German text.

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Postby hermod » 6 years 1 month ago (Thu Oct 24, 2013 5:37 pm)

laapatti wrote:
hermod wrote:How do you think those Western Jews arrived at Minsk and Riga? By trains of course. And as the European and Russian rail gauges were different, those Jews had to stop at transit points.


According to this travel report from October 1942 for a deportation from Wien to Minsk, there was a change at Wolkowitz:

http://ausstellung.de.doew.at/popup.php?t=img&id=649


As Wolkowitz (German) or Wolkowyje/Wolkowyja (Polish) is located in the southwest of Lviv/Lvov (which was under Austrian administration during the 19th century, when most rail lines were built - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lviv#Habsburg_Empire - http://germanhistorydocs.ghi-dc.org/ima ... ng_590.jpg), I doubt there existed a junction between the European and Russian rail lines anywhere in the Wolkowitz area (http://www.gomapper.com/travel/where-is ... cated.html).

Anyway after propagandizing the farcical Treblinka steam chambers and Belzec electrocution chambers for years, the Russians probably made any document proving the Reinhardt camps were transit camps disappear as soon as they captured Poland and Eastern Germany, as you can easily imagine... :wink:

Note the Germans didn't wait for the beginning of Aktion Reinhardt to build transit stations along the Bug river. They had build such stations even before the beginning of Operation Barbarossa. When they got new territories at their disposal in the Soviet Union, they just built camps in the vicinity of those transit stations.

The German conquest of Soviet and formerly Soviet-annexed territory following Operation Barbarossa in June 1941 meant that the German railway administration had to face certain transport problems caused by the fact that Germany and the USSR employed different widths for their railway gauges. While the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact lasted, efforts were in fact made to alleviate this logistical problem, as described in a 1940 New York Times article recently adduced by Eric Hunt:33

Nine pairs of railway stations on the New German-Russian frontier will hum soon with activity through the reloading of Russian raw materials and German industrial goods from wide to standard gauge freight cars and vice versa, if Nazi expectations are fulfilled.

These stations, all in what until last September was Poland, are listed with those on the German side first: Szczepki, Augustow, Prostken-Grajewo, Malkinia-Zaremba, Platerow-Siemiatycze, Terespol-Brest-Litovsk, Chelm-Jagodzin, Belzec-Rawa Ruska, Zurawicz-Przemysl and Nowogrod-Salus
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Of the nine projected transfer points along the German-Russian frontier all but one have already been opened to bring minerals, oil and grain to Germany. The ninth - at Chelm-Jagodzin - must wait until a new bridge is built over the Bug River.”

Preserved documents show that the direct transports [of Jews] to Belarus often travelled via Platerow.34

It is an already well-known fact that the Aktion Reinhardt camps were located near the Soviet-German demarcation line and therefore near to were the gauge changed. The Treblinka camp was located only some 5 kilometers south of Małkinia and the Bug River (which formed most of the demarcation line). Sobibór is located only some 2.5 km west of the Bug River.35

Sobibór was connected to the Chełm-Włodawa railway line.36 From testimony we also know that trains travelling from Minsk to Sobibór in the autumn of 1943 (at the time of the evacuation of the Minsk ghetto) passed through Chełm; the same no doubt held true for transports in the opposite direction.37 Sobibór is located some 40 km north from Chełm.38 From Chełm the railway line continued east into the Ukraine with the city of Kowel as final station.39

As seen from the abovementioned New York Times article Bełżec was located right at one of the nine transfer points. That the camp was not on the border of the Generalgouvernement is due to its expansion to incorporate East Galicia (the Lemberg district) on 1 August 1941 (before 22 June 1941 Rawa Ruska had thus belonged to the Ukrainian SSR).

Upon noticing the establishment of a series of small camps – the construction of Bełżec began already in late fall 1941 – with railway connections, all located in the immediate vicinity of the former demarcation line and the Soviet-German railway transfer points, it would not have taken long for the propagandists to figure out that the Germans were constructing transit camps for Jews. The very nature of these camps – temporary stop-overs from where deportees after passing through a delousing process would continue to distant, little-known places in the east under another administration, with no prospects of a return west in the foreseeable future – could easily have suggested the “pure extermination center” story.

Unfortunately for the propagandists, some knowledge about the actual destinations for some of the Jewish transports seeped through to the civilian population. The initial reaction of the propagandists seems to have been to dismiss these transports as exceptions or “decoy transports” used to fool the Jews remaining behind into believing that actual resettlement was taking place. Later, when postcards from deported Jews continued to reach the Warsaw ghetto, one launched the allegation that the Germans were forging the letters or forcing deportees to write postcards with misleading contents after their arrival at the “extermination camps.”40

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Re: “Resettlement to the East”: Thermar's Jews

Postby laapatti » 6 years 1 month ago (Fri Oct 25, 2013 2:27 am)

hermod wrote:As Wolkowitz (German) or Wolkowyje/Wolkowyja (Polish) is located in the southwest of Lviv/Lvov (which was under Austrian administration during the 19th century, when most rail lines were built - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lviv#Habsburg_Empire - http://germanhistorydocs.ghi-dc.org/ima ... ng_590.jpg), I doubt there existed a junction between the European and Russian rail lines anywhere in the Wolkowitz area (http://www.gomapper.com/travel/where-is ... cated.html).


I'm afraid you have a wrong town. Wolkowitz/Wolkowysk/Vawkavysk is located much more north, some 40 km east of Bialystok.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vawkavysk

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Re: “Resettlement to the East”: Thermar's Jews

Postby Hannover » 6 years 1 month ago (Fri Oct 25, 2013 10:57 am)

"Wrong town" says laapatti.

Maybe I'm mistaken, but Laapatti thinks" Vawkavysk / Volkovysk / Wołkowysk" is "Wolkowitz / Wolkowyje / Wolkowyja".

Apparently it is not the same town and hermod is correct. See:
'Driving directions from Wolkowyja to Lvov'
http://www.gomapper.com/travel/directio ... -lvov.html

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Re: “Resettlement to the East”: Thermar's Jews

Postby laapatti » 6 years 1 month ago (Fri Oct 25, 2013 11:25 am)

Yes, the one near Lvov is obviously wrong town. Here is a map which perhaps clarifies the issue:

http://www.abload.de/img/hifo-wh-kb-wh-urlaubernodi.jpg

Route went from Siedlice via Czeremcha and Wolkowyski to Baranowitzche and there to Minsk.

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Re: “Resettlement to the East”: Thermar's Jews

Postby Hannover » 6 years 1 month ago (Fri Oct 25, 2013 12:05 pm)

laapatti:
You seem to think Wolkowyski is Wolkowitz, which according to hermod it is not. Hermod says Wolkowitz is Wolkowyja, which, if correct, means you are wrong.

And what is your point here in attempting to refute hermod?

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Re: “Resettlement to the East”: Thermar's Jews

Postby hermod » 6 years 1 month ago (Fri Oct 25, 2013 10:51 pm)

laapatti wrote:
hermod wrote:As Wolkowitz (German) or Wolkowyje/Wolkowyja (Polish) is located in the southwest of Lviv/Lvov (which was under Austrian administration during the 19th century, when most rail lines were built - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lviv#Habsburg_Empire - http://germanhistorydocs.ghi-dc.org/ima ... ng_590.jpg), I doubt there existed a junction between the European and Russian rail lines anywhere in the Wolkowitz area (http://www.gomapper.com/travel/where-is ... cated.html).


I'm afraid you have a wrong town. Wolkowitz/Wolkowysk/Vawkavysk is located much more north, some 40 km east of Bialystok.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vawkavysk


40 east of Bialystok, or in other words dozens of kilometers east of the former Prussian-Russian border. Bialystok was part of the Russian empire between 1807 and 1919, when most rail lines were built. So Wolkowysk/Vawkavysk was far from the junction between the European and Russian railways. A strange location for a transit station based on different rail gauges, isn't it? There was maybe a transit station there (if Wolkowitz was Vawkavysk, and not Wolkowyje as i first thought), but I doubt it was based on any rail gauge switching and there was a junction between the European and Russian rail lines anywhere in that area anyway.
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