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Curious "Suicides"

Postby Hannover » 6 years 7 months ago (Mon Nov 18, 2013 11:05 am)

I'd like to gather a list of 'suicides' allegedly committed by German officials, high ranking military officers, SS members, etc.

I note this thread:
Brief List of the (very) Conveniently Deceased

Are there more to be added?

A basic list of who, the alleged location, and alleged circumstances will suffice. Should we wish to debate in detail any one of them I believe moderation will require separate threads per individual.

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Re: Curious "Suicides"

Postby hermod » 6 years 7 months ago (Tue Nov 19, 2013 7:30 am)

I can add 3 names: Friedrich-Wilhelm Krüger, Gottlieb Hering (not a suicide, but a strange death) and Otto Max Koegel.

Friedrich-Wilhelm Krüger was a Nazi official and high-ranking member of the SA and SS. Between 1939 and 1943 he was Higher SS and Police Leader. In the General Government in German-occupied Poland [...] he [...] had a major responsibility for the Holocaust. [...] At the end of the war Krüger committed suicide in upper Austria. ... r%C3%BCger

i am a little disturbed that the fate of Friedrich-Wilhelm Krüger has not been properly investigated by nobody. Some sources say that he committed suicide in liepaja in latvia while others claim that he committed suicide or was killed in action in upper austria. It seems to me that not even the main nazi hunters worried about his fate. For what i read he was one of tha main culprits for the assasination of 2 millon people in poland. He should have been put on the top 10 most wanted nazi because i am afraid that he escaped ... 8&t=177430

Gottlieb Hering was an SS-Hauptsturmführer (captain) who served [...] as the second and last commandant of Bełżec extermination camp during Operation Reinhard. [...] On 9 October 1945, Gottlieb Hering died of mysterious complications in the waiting room of St. Catherine's Hospital in Stetten im Remstal.

Otto Max Koegel was a Nazi officer who served as a commander at Lichtenburg, Ravensbrück, Majdanek and Flossenbürg concentration camps. [...] After the war, Koegel was on the run and was not arrested until June 1946 in Schwabach, a town near Nürnberg. He committed suicide through hanging in his prison cell only a day later on June 27, 1946.

I haven't read it, but here is a book in which further curious 'suicides' could probably be found: Lester, David (2005). "Who Committed Suicide?". Suicide and the Holocaust. Nova Publishers.

Something important to enable the birth of the Holohoax was the death of "the biggest fish" allegedly implied in it. When WW2 ended, Hitler, Himmler, Globocnik, Wirth and Heydrich were all dead, with Himmler and Globocnik in strange circumstances while in British hands. Afterwards it was easy to extract 'confessions' by torture (followed by a show 'trial' and a summary execution), coercition (usually threats to deport wife and children to Siberia) or corruption (a pretty small sentence, a suspicious release after a short time in prison, or money as for Lanzman's German 'witnesses' in the movie "Shoa") from "smaller fish". Those "smaller fish" could only say "I didn't know what was happening" or "I was just following the orders" (orders from "the big fish" who were conveniently dead at that time) as a defense. From the end of WW2 denial was not an option anymore for any alleged 'perpetrator' in order to try to save his own life and his relatives' life. At that time "the Holocaust" was one of the Victors' "facts of common knowledge" (i.e. Allied propaganda) which did "not require proof" of their existence anymore (article 21 of the Nuremberg Charter issued on 8 August 1945 - The rest was just theater...

Poliakov's quote about "the Big Holo-Fish" (and the Holocaust documents):

"The archives torn from the bowels of the Third Reich, the depositions and accounts of its chiefs permit us to reconstruct in their least detail the birth and the development of its plans for aggression, its military campaigns, and the whole range of processes by which the Nazis intended to reshape the world to their pattern*. Only the campaign to exterminate the Jews, as concerns its completion, as well as in many other essential aspects, remains steeped in fog. Psychological inferences and considerations, third- or fourth-hand accounts, allow us to reconstruct the developments with a considerable verisimilitude. Certain details, nevertheless, will remain unknown forever. As concerns the concept proper of the plan for total extermination, the three or four principal actors are dead. No document remains, and has perhaps never existed." - Exterminationist Holocaust historian Leon Poliakov, Breviaire de la haine (Breviary of Hate) , Paris, 1979, p. 134.

* It's now known that most of (if not all) those documents were forgeries like the Hossbach Protocol and Rauschning's book.
"But, however the world pretends to divide itself, there are ony two divisions in the world to-day - human beings and Germans. – Rudyard Kipling, The Morning Post (London), June 22, 1915

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