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Re: Caroline Sturdy Colls Treblinka TV documentary

Postby tyger » 5 years 10 months ago (Wed Jan 15, 2014 5:15 am)

I'm no forensic archaeologist but to the lay-person's eye Ms Sturdy-Colls's protocols and techniques did seem "questionable". Happily, only the other day, the BBC broadcast a programme in which excavation of a site in search of bone remains was a key feature. Compare and contrast as they say.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b01sbvzt/Stories_from_the_Dark_Earth_Meet_the_Ancestors_Revisited_Families_of_the_Stone_Age/

Most informative was chemical analysis of the soil to determine background levels of phosphorous as a result of decayed bone. 43' 40" onwards.
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Re: Caroline Sturdy Colls Treblinka TV documentary

Postby borjastick » 5 years 10 months ago (Wed Jan 15, 2014 7:55 am)

Agreed Tyger, I saw some of that programme the other night and was pleased to see the level of scientific exactitude and process, used in the bones assessment. The answer is that they had no desire for similar scientific diligence and process, it simply doesn't suit the answers they wish to present.

The reality is that any similar archeological work is started at the point of zero or little knowledge with the desire to find out as much as possible. Sturdey-Colls' work was arse about face in as much as she was trying to make the research fit the accepted and protected story line.

She failed!
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Re: Caroline Sturdy Colls Treblinka TV documentary

Postby hermod » 5 years 8 months ago (Mon Feb 24, 2014 11:45 pm)

As predicted, a new TV show with Sturdy Colls' 'findings'...

Archaeologists Discover New Evidence of Nazi Death Camp Where 900,000 Disappeared; Rebuff Holocaust Deniers

February 21, 2014|3:19 pm

A team of forensic archaeologists have reportedly discovered new evidence pointing to Treblinka, a Nazi death camp in eastern Poland where 900,000 people disappeared, going against claims by Holocaust deniers who say that the location was only a transit camp.

The findings are set to air on the Smithsonian Channel in a program called "Treblinka: Hitler's killing machine," on March 29, which is part of a special month-long programming block celebrating Women's History Month.

Described as "one of the most notorious cold cases of World War II," rare documents and eyewitness have long claimed that the camp where 900,000 Jewish people were transported was even more ruthless than the infamous Auschwitz-Birkenau concentration camp. While not much evidence for this claim existed until now, Smithsonian says that the British forensic team of Dr. Caroline Sturdy Colls has found new "significant and chilling" evidence to expose the true story behind Treblinka.

"Dr. Caroline Sturdy Colls and her team discovered three previously unidentified mass graves at Treblinka 1, which some thought had only been a labor camp. They also pinpointed the location of a gas chamber and other physical structures at Treblinka 2, the main extermination camp," a press release states.

"The team uncovered human remains, personal artifacts and pieces of tile with the Jewish star imprint which match eyewitness descriptions of a gas chamber that had been designed to look like a bathhouse. She also reinforces her suspicions that the death camp was even larger than previously thought."

http://global.christianpost.com/news/ar ... hEzqrIe.99


Question: Did any 'eyewitness' really describe tiles with the Jewish star imprint, as claimed above? If so, who? In holo-'testimonies', I've already heard of a large sign with a Jewish star on it over the entrance of the alleged gassing building, but never of tiles with the Jewish star imprint. Has anybody here information on that one?
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Re: Caroline Sturdy Colls Treblinka TV documentary

Postby Hannover » 5 years 8 months ago (Tue Feb 25, 2014 12:34 am)

More desperate wishful thinking. The only picture they show is of the labor camp Auschwitz.
The findings are set to air on the Smithsonian Channel in a program called "Treblinka: Hitler's killing machine," on March 29, which is part of a special month-long programming block celebrating Women's History Month.
Don't make me laugh. If they had what they claim they would not wait from the time of 'discovery' until March 29th. What's so called Womens History Month have to do with it? Trying to buys votes it appears.

"Dr. Caroline Sturdy Colls and her team discovered three previously unidentified mass graves at Treblinka 1, which some thought had only been a labor camp. They also pinpointed the location of a gas chamber and other physical structures at Treblinka 2, the main extermination camp," a press release states.
"The team uncovered human remains, personal artifacts and pieces of tile with the Jewish star imprint which match eyewitness descriptions of a gas chamber that had been designed to look like a bathhouse. She also reinforces her suspicions that the death camp was even larger than previously thought."
Human remains?
Verified as human?
If so, how was that verified?
Just a bone or two?
If not, then how many human remains out of an alleged 900,000 were allegedly found?
Verified as coming from where?
Confirmed as murdered?
If murdered, what method of confirmation was used?
Confirmed as being murdered by the Germans?
If so, what method of confirmation was used?
Confirmed as being Jews?
If so, what method of confirmation was used?
What verifiable excavations have been done?
Where are verifiable photos of excavations?
Where are verifiable photos of corpses in situ?
'Gas chamber disguised as bathhouse'? Where's the proof that it was a gas chamber and not a bathhouse?

After 70 years and now the profiteers claim to have something.
What about all the previously claimed 'proof'?
Revisionists have demolished lie after lie so now the profiteers desperately try to contrive more phoney 'proof'. Laughable.
They have absolutely nothing and this latest episode will once again do more to bolster Revisionist research rather than refute Revisionists.

Read all of this thread to see Caroline Colls made a fool of. I suppose she wants to be 'Woman of the Month'.

Note that the site of the link hermod posted is a shill for racist apartheid Israel, look around at the articles. Sad stuff.
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- Gov. Mike Huckabee speaking at JHM’s 32nd annual Night to Honor Israel at Cornerstone Church in San Antonio on Oct. 29, 2013,
- Mike Huckabee Honors Israel
- John Hagee Calls for Iran Sanctions at San Antonio Megachurch's Feast of Tabernacles Celebration

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Re: Caroline Sturdy Colls Treblinka TV documentary

Postby Kingfisher » 5 years 8 months ago (Tue Feb 25, 2014 4:08 am)

Hannover wrote:'Gas chamber disguised as bathhouse'? Where's the proof that it was a gas chamber and not a bathhouse?
Oh, Ye of little faith... ;)

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Re: Caroline Sturdy Colls Treblinka TV documentary

Postby hermod » 5 years 8 months ago (Tue Feb 25, 2014 5:31 am)

Dolma wrote:Hello, I just received this. I haven't given it a good read yet, so I cannot comment on it at the moment, I'm just excited to get this posted here so it can be discussed. Hope that's OK with the moderators.

Treblinka: Inside Hitler's Secret Death Camp

First broadcast at 21:00 Nov 27, 2013

Transcript

N - Pavel Leleko, a Ukrainian guard, captured in 1945, described what he saw -- [Testimony available online]

[Note: by mentioning Leleko's testimony, Colls theory re: "Jews feeling safe," with the Star of David is contradicted]


Interesting and true.

Pavel Lelenko's 'testimony':
"Each group of women or men were hurried along from the rear by some German and very often the Kommandant himself – Franz accompanied by a dog. As they approached the gas chamber the people began to back away in terror.

Oftentimes they tried to turn back. At that point lashes and clubs were used. Franz immediately set upon the condemned his dog which was specially trained to snap at their sex organs. At each gas chamber there were 5-6 Germans besides the “motorists” with their dogs. With clubs and lashes they drove the people into the corridor of the gas chamber and then into the chambers.

In this the Germans would compete with the “motorists” in brutality towards the people selected to die. Marchenko for instance had a sword with which he mutilated the people. He cut the breasts of women. After the chambers were filled they slammed shut with hermetically sealed doors.
"


Savage biting dogs, clubs, lashes and even a sword cutting women's breasts. In that brutal chaotic context, wouldn't it have been more than ridiculous to try to make Jews feel safe with Jewish star tiles (which could only be seen by the alleged doomed Jews when they were already inside the 'gas chambers')?


hermod wrote:Question: Did any 'eyewitness' really describe tiles with the Jewish star imprint, as claimed above? If so, who?


OK. Dolma's previous post answered my question. I had missed that part.

Dolma wrote:N - Abaraham Zrzepicki was deported to the Treblinka extermination camp on 25th August 1942. His work as a slave labourer gave him access to even the most secret part of the camp.

Zrzepicki's report is quoted: "I saw before me a room which was not too large. It looked like a regular shower room with all the accoutrements of a public bathhouse. The walls of the room were covered with small, white tiles. It was very fine, clean work. The floor was covered with orange terra cotta tiles. Nickel plated metal faucets were set into the ceiling." [Abraham Krzepicki: Eighteen Days in Treblinka]


Did any other 'witness' talk about those tiles? Or was Abraham Krzepicki the only one?
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Re: Caroline Sturdy Colls Treblinka TV documentary

Postby TheBlackRabbitofInlé » 5 years 8 months ago (Tue Feb 25, 2014 9:14 am)

hermod wrote:Did any other 'witness' talk about those tiles? Or was Abraham Krzepicki the only one?


When I arrived at the camp, three gas chambers were already in operation; another ten were added while I was there. A gas chamber measured 5 x 5 meters and was about 1.90 meters high. The outlet on the roof had a hermetic cap. The chamber was equipped with a gas pipe inlet and a baked tile floor slanting towards the platform. The brick building which housed the gas chambers was separated from Camp No. 1 by a wooden wall. This wooden wall and the brick wall of the building together formed a corridor which was 80 centimeters taller than the building. The chambers were connected with the corridor by a hermetically fitted iron door leading into each of the chambers. On the side of Camp No. 2 the chambers were connected by a platform four meters wide, which- ran alongside all three chambers. The platform was about 80 centimeters above ground level. There was also a hermetically fitted wooden door on this side.

A YEAR IN TREBLINKA, by Yankel Wiernik
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Re: Caroline Sturdy Colls Treblinka TV documentary

Postby hermod » 5 years 8 months ago (Tue Feb 25, 2014 10:32 am)

TheBlackRabbitofInlé wrote:A YEAR IN TREBLINKA, by Yankel Wiernik


OK. Wiernik too.

Just found three other ones: Abraham Goldfarb, Mendel Korytnicki and Jan Sulkowski.

It seems the Soviets went pretty early with that tile story. This sounds logical as the Soviets talked about killing facilities disguised as bath houses early in the war. Maybe it would be interesting to know if there existed 'testimonies' of tiled steam chambers in Soviet propaganda. Anyway tiles wouldn't contradict the revisionist view as it would have been normal to find tiled shower rooms in a delousing/transit camp.

Goldfarb:
"Approach to the building was protected by a barbed wire fence, with pine branches interwoven into the fence for disguise. The building itself was an ordinary one-story brick building with a tin roof. Climbing the stairs to the entrance you first get to the wooden annex, which looked like a corridor. The front door to the building, as well as three iron doors leading out of this annex to the three chambers of the house are hermetically sealed. Each of the three chambers had these three dimensions: length - 5, width - 4, height - 2 meters. Floor and walls are covered with tiles, the ceiling is made of concrete. In each chamber there is one hole in the ceiling. Moreover, it is covered with netting. From a wall into a chamber comes a pipe with somewhat of a flared end and mesh bottom. The flared end is mounted near the wall. The wall at this location is significantly polluted with soot. Against the entrance door there is also a hermetically closed exit door. All three of these chambers open in the direction of the concrete ramp installed near the house."


Another Jewish witness from the extermination part, Mendel Korytnicki, who also worked for a short period (about 5 days) in the original gas chambers, agrees with Goldfarb’s description: giving the same dimensions and mentions the openings in the roof (through which a German was observing the process), the tiled floor, and the concrete platform. Korytnicki only differs with Goldfarb in regard to the roof material (saying that it was a tiled roof) and saying that the walls were whitewashed, rather than tiled – expected differences in recollection.


Sulkowski:
"SS men said it was to be a bath. Only later on, when the building was almost completed, I realized that it was to be a gas chamber. What was indicative of it was a special door of thick steel, insulated with rubber, twisted with a bolt and placed in an iron frame, and also the fact that in one of the building compartments there was put an engine, from which three iron pipes led through the roof to the three remaining parts of the building. A specialist from Berlin came to put the tiles inside and he told me that he had already built such a chamber elsewhere."


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Re: Caroline Sturdy Colls Treblinka TV documentary

Postby TheBlackRabbitofInlé » 5 years 8 months ago (Tue Feb 25, 2014 11:34 am)

Carlo Mattogno quotes Abaraham Zrzepicki's description of the showers/gas chamber at some length:

[19] Still on the topic of Treblinka, Terry soon offers yet another example of his ineptitude and intellectual dishonesty:

“Another account by a Treblinka escapee written down at this time is entirely ignored by Mattogno in his attempt at tracing ‘the development of the idea of Treblinka as an extermination camp,’ namely the lengthy description given by Abraham Krzepicki and recorded by Oneg Shabes activist Rachel Auerbach in October 1942. Krzepicki’s report, which will be referred to several times in this critique, also identified a gas chamber.” (p. 62)


While chiding me for “ignoring” this “lengthy description,” Terry himself carefully and hypocritically refrains from citing any part of it in which the “witness” actually describes the “gas chamber” which he claims to have seen. The relevant parts of Krzepicki’s description thus deliberately ignored by Terry are as follows:(224)

“But the longish, not too large brick building standing in the middle of the ‘Death Camp’ had a strange fascination for me: this was the gas chamber. […] Only as we were returning from our midday meal and our column halted for a while, did I sneak away from them and move toward the open door of the gas chamber.

I think I have already noted that this building was surrounded by a wooded area. Now I noticed that, spread over the flat roof of the building, there was a green wire net whose edges extended slightly beyond the building’s walls. This may have been for protection against air attacks. Beneath the net, on top of the roof, I could see a tangle of pipes . . . .

The walls of the building were covered with concrete. The gas chamber had not been operating for a week. I was able to look inside through one of two strong whitewashed iron exits which happened to be open. I saw before me a room which was not too large. It looked like a regular shower room with all the accoutrements of a public bathhouse. The walls of the room were covered with small, white tiles. It was very fine, clean work. The floor was covered with orange terra cotta tiles. Nickelplated metal faucets were set into the ceiling.

That was all. A comfortable, neat little bathhouse set in the middle of a wooded area. There was nothing more to see. But as one stood in front of the entrance to this ‘bathhouse’ one could see hills of lime, and beneath them the giant, still-open mass graves where tens, perhaps hundreds, of thousands of ‘bathers’ lay in eternal rest.”


The witness in actual fact never saw a “gas chamber” at all, but rather “[a] comfortable, neat little bathhouse set in the middle of a wooded area” – “a regular shower room with all the accoutrements of a public bathhouse” with walls “covered with small, white tiles” and a floor “covered with orange terra cotta tiles” and “nickel-plated metal faucets […] set into the ceiling.” Such a description is obviously more characteristic of the disinfection and disinfestation installation of a transit camp (Durchgangslager) than a killing installation in an “extermination camp.” Even if the account afterwards speaks of “mass graves” of the corpses of “bathers,” it does so without however explaining how the victims were killed. Was the weapon of choice steam, a vacuum pump, a delayed effect gas, chlorine gas, ‘Cyclon-gas’ or engine exhaust? Given the common description of the “building of death” as a “gas chamber” regardless of the killing method, it is only with consummate hypocrisy that Terry can confidently contradict Hersz Wasser (see next point) and pretend that Krzepicki’s report confirms the (engine exhaust) “gas chambers” thesis, earlier on the page juxtaposed with “steam” chambers.

The last sentence of the passage, of course, is meant to serve as “proof” for the rest: Krzepicki claims to have seen mass graves at Treblinka, and so the building he saw must, necessarily, have served as a “gas chamber.” Without it, Krzepicki’s testimony thus resolves into a picture remarkable primarily for its sheer ordinariness.

[...]

(footnote:) 224 A. Krzepicki, “Eighteen Days in Treblinka,” in: A. Donat (ed.), Death Camp Treblinka: A Documentary. Holocaust Library, New York, 1979, p. 105. Admittedly, Jason Myers does quote from the description in his contribution to the “cut-and-paste” critique, though he too deceptively omits the embarrassing details. He quotes six words altogether: “longish, not too large brick building” (p. 295, note 92).



Carlo Mattogno, Thomas Kues, Jürgen Graf, The “Extermination Camps” of “Aktion Reinhardt” An Analysis and Refutation of Factitious “Evidence,” Deceptions and Flawed Argumentation of the “Holocaust Controversies” Bloggers, 2013, pp. 122-123
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Postby Hannover » 5 years 8 months ago (Tue Feb 25, 2014 1:55 pm)

Profiteer Nick Terry cites charlatan Rachael Auerbach, but why? Auerbach said:
Blood, too, was found to be first-class combustion material.

- R. Auerbach, THE DEATH CAMP TREBLINKA: A DOCUMENTARY, edited by Alexander Donat
Auerbach, a Jew from Poland was actually never at Treblinka, but allegedly got her information from others. A. Donat published The Death Camp Treblinka, a collection of essays. One of these essays is by Rachel Auerbach In the Fields of Treblinka.
Auerbach:
The gas chamber was filled to the top. People were so tightly pressed into it that they had to raise their arms and draw in their bellies in order to make room for some more victims. The small children were hurled in over their heads.

[But according to the 'Encyclopedia of the Holocaust', ed. by Israel Gutman, the alleged victims were lured into the alleged gas chambers under the impression that they were going to receive showers. In fact it says the alleged diesel gas chambers had the 'appearance of showers' to facilitate the deception.
So, they supposedly had to raise their arms, suck in their bellies, and have children thrown in on top of them while falling for the alleged trick that they were about to receive a refreshing shower ... in an alleged diesel gas chamber made to look like a shower.]

The engine inside the workshop next to the bath house was started. First a vacuum pump was used in order to suck out of the chamber the clean air. Then the valves were opened to let in the exhaust fumes from the engine.

After 25 to 45 minutes the chamber door on the other side could be opened and the dead bodies fell out, they were naked, some were white,
In Treblinka children were often thrown into the fire or mass graves alive. The idea was to save gas and ammunition. [b]They believed, that children would not die as easily as adults because their blood vessels were not yet hardened.


The book was published in 1946.
I wonder what Caroline Colls says about Auerbach.

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Postby hermod » 5 years 8 months ago (Tue Feb 25, 2014 9:38 pm)

Tiles, but no Jewish star imprint in the 'testimonies'. Surprising no Jewish 'eyewitness' noticed and mentioned that those tiles had the Jewish star imprint. It seems that Jewish stars which could be seen only from inside the 'gas chambers' in order to make doomed Jews feel safe were a too ridiculous allegation, even for Soviet propagandists. Was that great idea one of Caroline Sturdy Colls' strokes of genius? Did she think that planted tiles without any Jewish star imprint wouldn't be convincing enough? Or worse, was she afraid that normal tiles might make people think that there were real "bath houses" and a delousing/transit camp at that place?
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Postby TheBlackRabbitofInlé » 5 years 8 months ago (Tue Feb 25, 2014 11:25 pm)

hermod wrote: Maybe it would be interesting to know if there existed 'testimonies' of tiled steam chambers in Soviet propaganda.


There's this from Polish-Jewish propaganda on the Treblinka steam chamber, as quoted by Carlo Mattogno and Juergen Graf

On November 15, 1942, the resistance movement of the Warsaw Ghetto, operating in the underground, composed a long article entitled "Likwidacja żydowskiej Warszawy" (Liquidation of Jewish Warsaw), which contained a detailed description of Treblinka together with a sketch of the camp.

The floor in the chambers has a terra-cotta inlay which becomes very slippery when water is poured over it.

http://www.vho.org/GB/Books/t/3.html


It would be useful to check-up on precisely what was claimed about the floors in both the old and new gas chambers in Sobibor and Belzec; aside from of course the "fact" they respectively opened-up to allow the corpses to fall through and was an electrocution plate which collapsed into a pool of water. :wink:

Mattogno nicely sums when each of the six gassing buildings were constructed. Which could be useful when researching to see whether the Germans installed a non-tiled floor in the second B&S gas chambers after laying a terr-cotta floor in the 1st Treblinka gas chamber.

To recapitulate, the cornerstones of Holocaust historiography on the genesis of the gas chambers are the following:

– The first gassing complex of Bełżec was built in November-December 1941: 3 "gas chambers" of 8m × 4m each.

– The first gassing complex of Sobibór was built by the end of April 1942 based on the Bełżec model: 3 "gas chambers" of 3m × 4m or 4m × 4m each.

– The first gassing complex at Treblinka was installed in the first half of June 1942:1953 3 "gas chambers" of 4m × 4m each.

– The second gassing complex of Bełżec was ready at the end of June 1942: 6 "gas chambers" of 4m × 4m each.

– The second gassing complex of Treblinka was built in one month starting in late August/ early September 1942: 6 or 10 "gas chambers" of 8m × 4m each

– The second gassing complex of Sobibór was finally built during June-September 1942:1956 6 "gas chambers" of 4m × 4m each.

– The "gas chambers" of Bełżec (the second set) were built by the SS-Scharführer Lorenz Hackenholt, those of Sobibór and of Treblinka by him and by SS-Unterscharführer Erwin Lambert.

Carlo Mattogno, Thomas Kues, Jürgen Graf, The “Extermination Camps” of “Aktion Reinhardt” An Analysis and Refutation of Factitious “Evidence,” Deceptions and Flawed Argumentation of the “Holocaust Controversies” Bloggers, 2013, p. 861


The chronology of the claimed “gas chambers” must indeed be integrated with other key events:

– The first gassing facility at the Bełżec camp is said to have been built in November-December 1941.

– The first gassing facility at Sobibór was allegedly completed by the mid-April 1942.

– The first gassing facility of Treblinka was supposedly installed during the first half of June 1942.

– On 8 June 1942 Gerstein claims to have received a communication from the RSHA about his “mission,” which purportedly was later revealed to him by Globocnik in Lublin on 17 August 1942: to change the operating system of the “gas chambers” by replacing Diesel exhaust with hydrogen cyanide. Evidently such a decision, if real, had to have been made no later than in early June within the RSHA with the Globocnik’s approval.

– The second gassing facility at Bełżec is claimed to have been completed by the end of June 1942.

– The second gassing facility at Sobibór was ostensibly built in June-September 1942.

– The second gassing facility of Treblinka, finally, was presumably realized in a month starting in late August/early September 1942.

Ibid., p. 942.


Moshe Bahi (who spent 19 months in Sobibor) wrote that the gas chamber floor (old or new? I'm not sure) was made of floorboards, although he never saw them himself.
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Re: Caroline Sturdy Colls Treblinka TV documentary

Postby TheBlackRabbitofInlé » 5 years 8 months ago (Wed Feb 26, 2014 12:15 am)

TheBlackRabbitofInlé wrote:There's this from Polish-Jewish propaganda on the Treblinka steam chamber, as quoted by Carlo Mattogno and Juergen Graf

On November 15, 1942, the resistance movement of the Warsaw Ghetto, operating in the underground, composed a long article entitled "Likwidacja żydowskiej Warszawy" (Liquidation of Jewish Warsaw), which contained a detailed description of Treblinka together with a sketch of the camp.

The floor in the chambers has a terra-cotta inlay which becomes very slippery when water is poured over it.

http://www.vho.org/GB/Books/t/3.html


This pre-dates Y. Wiernik's "baked tile floor" (May 1944), but was a month after Abraham Krzepicki "orange terra cotta tiles," if the dating (Oct 1942) of Krzepicki's account to Auerbach is authentic.

The November 15, 1942 steam chambers report is supposedly based on accounts of Treblinka "escapees" who made it back to Warsaw. Krzepicki supposedly escaped after 18 days in Treblinka and made it back to Warsaw.

HC used "Abraham Krzepicki, "Eighteen Days in Treblinka", as published in A.Donat, Death camp Treblinka, 1979," and MGK used Donat's book as well as a Polish version: "A. Krzepicki, “Treblinka,” in: Biuletyn Żydowskiego Instytutu Historycznego, July-December 1962, no. 43-44"

And the other tile floorers gave their accounts, according to HC, on:

Jan Sulkowski's floor "tiles" on 20.12.45.

Nikolay Shalayev's "parquet slabs" in 1950.

Abraham Goldfarb's floor "tiles" on 21.09.1944

Mendel Korytnicki's "tiled floor" on 23.09.1944.

http://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.be/2011/12/belzec-sobibor-treblinka-holocaust_5120.html
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Re: Caroline Sturdy Colls Treblinka TV documentary

Postby tyger » 5 years 8 months ago (Fri Mar 14, 2014 9:16 am)

The presence or absence of dioxins may be an interesting line of enquiry.

[i]"Dioxins have been repeatedly detected in clays from Europe and USA since 1996, with contamination of clay assumed to be the result of ancient forest fires or similar natural events with concentration of the PCDD/F during clay sedimentation."[/i

One would expect the open-air cremation of bodies using locally-sourced timber and gasoline accelerants to be an ideal source of dioxins which could be tested for in a relatively non-invasive way.

[i][i]"All groups of dioxin-like compounds are persistent in the environment.[52] Neither soil microbes nor animals are able to break down effectively the PCDD/Fs with lateral chlorines (positions 2,3,7, and 8). This causes very slow elimination. Ultraviolet light is able to slowly break down these compounds. Lipophilicity (tendency to seek for fat-like environments) and very poor water solubility..."

The fat deposits in the burial areas would be an ideal place to start looking for higher than expected levels of dioxins.

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Re: Caroline Sturdy Colls Treblinka TV documentary

Postby hermod » 5 years 8 months ago (Sat Mar 15, 2014 11:50 am)

tyger wrote:The presence or absence of dioxins may be an interesting line of enquiry.

"Dioxins have been repeatedly detected in clays from Europe and USA since 1996, with contamination of clay assumed to be the result of ancient forest fires or similar natural events with concentration of the PCDD/F during clay sedimentation."[/i

One would expect the open-air cremation of bodies using locally-sourced timber and gasoline accelerants to be an ideal source of dioxins which could be tested for in a relatively non-invasive way.

[i][i]"All groups of dioxin-like compounds are persistent in the environment.[52] Neither soil microbes nor animals are able to break down effectively the PCDD/Fs with lateral chlorines (positions 2,3,7, and 8). This causes very slow elimination. Ultraviolet light is able to slowly break down these compounds. Lipophilicity (tendency to seek for fat-like environments) and very poor water solubility..."

The fat deposits in the burial areas would be an ideal place to start looking for higher than expected levels of dioxins.


Sounds like an excellent idea. If compared with levels of dioxins in soils where it's known that outdoor cremations took place (for example, areas in UK where animal corpses were incinerated [i]en masse
outdoor because of Foot and Mouth Disease), this could bring another physical evidence against the holohoax. Such tests should be pretty easy and not too expensive to perform.

My opinion is that, with modern science, the revisionists shouldn't only say that the exterminationists brought no physical evidence of their allegations, they could and should go further and bring physical evidence of the abscence of traces of the exterminationists' allegations.
"But, however the world pretends to divide itself, there are ony two divisions in the world to-day - human beings and Germans. – Rudyard Kipling, The Morning Post (London), June 22, 1915


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