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Re: gas out of shower heads

Postby cold beer » 5 years 10 months ago (Thu Dec 12, 2013 6:31 pm)

Zulu wrote:At Nuremberg...


Zulu thank you for posting, those testimonies are incredible.
I appreciate the the time and effort it must have took.

I'm still keeping my eyes open for articles or commentary from author/researchers that either challenge or provide evidence for the existence of the apparatus which was supposedly used.
Obviously we haven't seen the physical evidence of what was claimed in these trial testimonies.
They're taking a shower and in sight is someone in a glass booth pulling levels or turning valves to select gas or water!?

These testimonies, in my opinion, should be among the main targets of revisionists.
With the question being... how credible is this entire gas chamber narrative when so many witnesses elude to gas coming out of shower heads which doesn't appear in the kosher history, at least not beyond an isolated experiment .

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Re: gas out of shower heads

Postby cold beer » 5 years 10 months ago (Thu Dec 12, 2013 6:45 pm)

borjastick wrote:Seems they always have a big claim, a grand story of waiting to be gassed under the pretext of taking a shower. Of how they 'knew' they would be killed, and yet miraculously there was then an intervention by fate, in their favour. A broken switch, a change of plan, a pipe that wouldn't work, all which meant that in fact they weren't killed by gas or any other means.

They had no proof of what they claim, they were working on rumour, innuendo and whisper. These people make massive claims and invent stories, look at what this woman claims. She says they were kept in the shower room for 24 hours.

Charlatans and money grabbers. Jesus had it right about these people when he kicked them out of the Temple.


When I see a claim like that, especially in video testimonies I download it with the idea of assembling a collection.
I would have initially thought that nearly all of the gas chamber escape stories have been circulated on forums, but surprisingly I find new ones.

Another one I hear a lot (which isn't related at all to this thread) is clogs, wooden shoes on death marches.
I don't think I've ever seen anyone wearing clogs in a concentration camp photo, yet there's no shortage of survivors that say that's all they were given to wear.
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Re: gas out of shower heads

Postby cold beer » 5 years 10 months ago (Thu Dec 12, 2013 6:50 pm)

borjastick wrote:Talking of Belsen and gassings etc, never forget that the Sex Pistols had a hit with Belsen Was A Gas.

I'd bet the house that there's a kosher element to that group.
There's quite a few people in music that I would have never guessed are Jews but are.

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Re: gas out of shower heads

Postby Bob » 5 years 10 months ago (Fri Dec 13, 2013 7:11 am)

Alfréd Wetzler, a later plagiarist[1] who co-authored so called Vrba-Wetzler report aka War Refugee Board Report. They allegedly got their info from "Sonderkommando," he testified at the Frankfurt Auschwitz trial and allegedly also at the Eichmann trial. He wrote an autobiography (What Dante didn´t see) under name Jozef Lánik, published in 1964 and then in 2009 under his real name. Here is his account:[2]

"zoraďovaných do pät´stupov a pochodujúcich aj s deťmi do kúpel’ní, kde zo spŕch netiekla voda, ale dusiaci plyn."

Translation courtesy of Carlo Mattogno:[3]

"[The victims] lined up five abreast and marched with their children into the baths, where not water but asphyxiating gas came out of the showers."


And again Alfréd Wetzler:[4]

"v okamihu ustrnú a pozrú nahor, odkial’ sa zo spŕch sypú nepatrné kryštaliky."

Rough translation:

"in a moment they freeze and look up from where tiny crystals spread out of the showers."


Halina Birenbaum (Majdanek):[5]

There was silence in the gas chamber. Young Halina Grynsztajn was holding the hands of her sister-in-law, looking into her eyes, trying to imagine what death would be like and how it would come.
Frozen in horror, with 200 other naked Jewish women and girls, they waited all night for the Zyklon B gas to start hissing through the sham shower heads.
"We knew it was the end," she recalled. "We knew nobody had ever left this place alive."
Thirteen-year-old Halina knew her mother had died two months earlier in the same gas chamber at the Nazi death camp at Majdanek.
At first, the women pounded on the heavy, iron doors that shut behind them. Then all was quiet. "When death is unavoidable, people accept it," said the woman, now Halina Birenbaum of Israel.
Hope won out that night in July 1943. The gas chamber doors suddenly swung open.
"There was no gas that night. They ran out of gas," she said simply, as if mentioning a temporary shortage of washing powder in a shop.
The women were immediately loaded into boxcars and sent to Auschwitz, the notorious death camp [...]
"The rescue from the gas chamber was Auschwitz," Mrs. Birenbaum said with bitter irony.


Jean-Paul Renard (Buchenwald):[6]

"I saw going into the showers thousands and thousands of persons over whom poured out, instead of liquid, asphyxiating gases. I saw those who were unfit for work injected in the heart."


Rose Sherman Williams:[7]

"Those [shower] heads would come out[,” she told the school group. “Instead of water, gas. And once the people were gassed they would put them into the crematorium."


Alice Lok Cahana:[8]
"They took us to a shower. They said it will be a disinfection first, but instead of a shower or disinfection, it was a different place. There was a window, and outside was written: "Bathhouse." They took away our clothes. They asked us to put our shoes together, tie our shoelaces together, and put our clothes down, and we will get it back after they disinfected. But it turned out that the shower did not work, that it was really the gas. I know only that it was dark, that the Germans were terribly nervous, that when we came out they were very angry. They threw some clothes, not our own clothes, back to us. Nothing was, of course, disinfected or warm or anything. we couldn´t understand the chaos, their anger, their bewilderment, their shouting, "This never happened before!" and marching us angrily back to the barrack. And the realization came only after; when we came back, and this Blockaltester couldn´t believe that we are alive. And she looked at us and she started to scream, "How could it happen? Why are you back? You´re not supposed to be back." I think that was the only time in Auschwitz that the gas did not work."



Notes

[1]He plagiarized Kalendarium of Danuta Czech whose parts were already published between 1957-1963 claiming that dates and accompanied information are coming from the documents of political department at Auschwitz, from the documents of crematoria personnel or registers which had been provided to Vrba and Wetzler (he calls Vrba by pseudonym "Karol" and himself "Valér") and later passed to authorities including member of International Red Cross. This story is of course a complete fiction created with the knowledge he learned after the war. No such information is contained in material from duo Vrba-Wetzler or in some material of IRC. Cf. Alfréd Wetzler, Čo Dante Nevidel, MilaniumM and Pavel Zrínyi, 2009, p. 235, p. 239.
[2]Ibid., p. 226.
[3]Carlo Mattogno, Auschwitz: The Case For Sanity. A Historical and Technical Study of Jean-Claude Pressac’s “Criminal Traces” and Robert Jan van Pelt’s “Convergence of Evidence”, Washington, D.C., The Barnes Review, 2010, p. 548.
[4]Alfréd Wetzler..., op. cit. (note 1), p. 66. Part of description of alleged gassing on occasion of inauguration of new crematoria in the beginning of 1943 and attended by Himmler and others. A popular propaganda story which never occurred and Himmler´s last visit is dated to July 17-18, 1942.
[5]Gas Chamber survivor recalls brush with death, The Hour, April 3, 1995, p. 22 online.
[6]Paul Rassinier, Debunking the Genocide Myth, Torrance, CA., The Noontide Press, 1978, p. 96 online. He admitted to Paul Rassinier that he made it up since there was no gas chamber.
[7]Holocaust survivor shares anti-bullying message, WOAI San Antonio News, December 10, 2012. Quoted also here
[8]Michael Berenbaum, The World Must Know, published by the United states Holocaust Memorial Museum, 2nd edition, 2006, pp. 138-139.

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Re: gas out of shower heads

Postby Zulu » 5 years 10 months ago (Sat Dec 14, 2013 10:59 am)

cold beer wrote:
Zulu wrote:At Nuremberg...


Zulu thank you for posting, those testimonies are incredible.
I appreciate the the time and effort it must have took.

I'm still keeping my eyes open for articles or commentary from author/researchers that either challenge or provide evidence for the existence of the apparatus which was supposedly used.
Obviously we haven't seen the physical evidence of what was claimed in these trial testimonies.
They're taking a shower and in sight is someone in a glass booth pulling levels or turning valves to select gas or water!?

These testimonies, in my opinion, should be among the main targets of revisionists.
With the question being... how credible is this entire gas chamber narrative when so many witnesses elude to gas coming out of shower heads which doesn't appear in the kosher history, at least not beyond an isolated experiment .

Thanks, You are welcome.
The fact is that testimonies or alleged "confessions" are a gold mine for revisionism. They reflect that they are mostly based in hearsays and rumors while repeating obvious lies spread in and out of the camps. These lies were recovered for propagandistic purpose and fed numerous forced or complacent "confessions" by the Allies. Most of writers of holocaustian books, since the 50's, are inspired for their accounts about "gassings" by previous books or testimonies like of those by Miklós Nyiszli, Filip Müller or Kurt Gerstein (blue color of corpses) for instance.
While "gas through shower heads" tends to be discarded in contemporaneous testimonies, other "mistakes" remains like "dark smoke and/or flames" at the crematorium's chimneys, blue color of gassed people, Jewish fat soap, etc...

As an explanation for the relation shower/gassings by inmates, I would notice that showers were not common in Europe at that time and, in the camps, that unusual hygienic measure was invariably associated with the delousing operation of the prisoners' effects. In addition, the delousing chambers which were often located near the shower rooms - see BW5 at Birkenau, http://www.holocaust-history.org/auschw ... 0053.shtml - had doors bearing disturbing inscriptions or displays like skulls and bones or "lice is your death" and alike. You have there all ingredients to produce any kind of frightening rumors among inmates.

The problem nowadays is that most testimonies, including those exposed to children at school, are not "cleaned" of such enormities.

Fred Schiefler

As an example reported in a video of Jim Rizoli, we have the "testimony" of Fred Schiefler at a school.
Here, with a miraculous survivor of 11 camps including Auschwitz, we have a compilation of so called facts like shower heads which dispersed gas, 3 to 4 000 victims in a gas chamber as well as the unavoidable Jewish fat soap. Things to make teenagers cry.
Beginning at 1:33.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZLwiuDzXYYw
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Re: gas out of shower heads

Postby Zulu » 5 years 10 months ago (Sat Dec 14, 2013 11:55 am)

Regina Bialek

She testified at Bergen Belsen Trials.
She was saved from a certain death by Dr. Mengele due to "the fact that the daughter of a friend of mine who was an Aryan and a doctor at Auschwitz had seen me being transported to the chamber and had told her mother, who immediately appealed to Dr. Mengele". According with Regina, gassings at Auschwitz were perpetrated at 7 gas chambers and particularly into a underground room where a "lorry was able to run down the slope and straight into the chamber". To her, the gas was not introduced through shower heads but instead with "a hissing sound" from the "the centre point on the floor". Another ingenious lethal piping frame engineered by those evil nazis.

(18) DEPOSITION OF REGINA BIALEK (Pole, aged 28)

[...]

3. On 25th December, 1943, I was sick with typhus and was picked out at a selection made by Doctors Mengele and Tauber along with about 350 other women. I was made to undress and taken by lorry to a gas chamber. There were seven gas chambers at Auschwitz. This particular one was underground and the lorry was able to run down the slope and straight into the chamber. Here we were tipped unceremoniously on the floor. The room was about 12 yards square and small lights on the wall dimly illuminated it. When the room was full a hissing sound was heard coming from the centre point on the floor and gas came into the room. After what seemed about ten minutes some of the victims began to bite their hands and foam at the mouth and blood issued from their ears, eyes and mouth, and their faces went blue. I suffered from all these symptoms, together with a tight feeling at the throat. I was half conscious when my number was called out by Dr. Mengele and I was led from the chamber. I attribute my escape to the fact that the daughter of a friend of mine who was an Aryan and a doctor at Auschwitz had seen me being transported to the chamber and had told her mother, who immediately appealed to Dr. Mengele. Apparently be realised that as a political prisoner I was of more value alive than dead, and I was released.

http://www.bergenbelsen.co.uk/pages/Tri ... ialek.html

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Re: gas out of shower heads

Postby JackBQuick » 5 years 10 months ago (Sat Dec 14, 2013 1:26 pm)

I'm trying to find a testimony from a survivor who claimed a black substance would come out of the showers...? Anybody recall this? I have forgotten who it was that said this, or the details about it...
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Re: gas out of shower heads

Postby Hannover » 5 years 10 months ago (Sat Dec 14, 2013 2:32 pm)

JBQ,
Here you go:
According to Alexander Pechersky, gassings at Sobibor took place via a black heavy substance which exited in spirals from holes in the roof. Then the floor of the gas chamber opened up, and the bodies fell directly into wagons placed in the basement.
source:
Alexander Pechersky, La rivolta di Sobibor, in Yuri Suhl, Ed essi
si ribellarono, Milan, 1969, p. 31.
Predictably, this book is now difficult to find.
see:
http://www.vho.org/GB/Books/hoh/chap12.html
also recommended:
Hannover @ The start of wild Holocaust 'survivor' tales
and:
Hannover @ Favorite Holowhopper

Hannover wrote:In many countries you will be arrested and thrown in jail for finding anything irregular about these "eyewitness" testimonies.

- Hannover

The so called 'Holocaust' / The Theatre of the Absurd

· Mass graves expelling geysers of blood;[1]

· Acid or boiling-water baths to produce human skeletons;[2]

· Injections into the eyes of inmates to change their eye color;[3]

· Production of shrunken heads from bodies of inmates;[4]

· Skimming off boiling human fat from open-air cremation fires;[5]

· Out of pity for complete strangers - a Jewish mother and her child - an SS-man leaps into the gas chamber voluntarily at the last second in order to die with them;[6]

· Soap production from human fat, solemn burial of soap;[7]

· Underground mass extermination in enormous rooms, by means of high voltage electricity;[8]

· Killing in vacuum chamber or with steam or chlorine gas;[9]

· Mass graves with hundreds of thousands of bodies, removed without a trace within a few weeks; a true miracle of improvisation on the part of the Germans;[10]

· Gas chambers on wheels in Treblinka, which dumped their victims directly into burning pits; delayed-action poison gas that allowed the victims to leave the gas chambers and walk to the mass graves by themselves;[11]

· Electrical conveyor-belt executions;[12]

· Cremation of bodies in blast furnaces;[13]

· SS bicycle races in the gas chamber of Birkenau;[14]

· Removal of corpses by means of blasting, i.e., blowing them up;[15]

· Blue haze after gassing with hydrocyanic acid (which is colorless);[16]

· Singing of national anthems and the Internationales by the victims in the gas chamber; evidence for atrocity propaganda of Communist origin;[17]

· Rapid-construction portable gas chamber sheds;[18]

· Killing by drinking a glass of liquid hydrocyanic acid;[19]

· Muscles cut from the legs of executed inmates contract so strongly that it makes the buckets jump about;[20]

· Introduction of Zyklon gas into the gas chambers of Auschwitz through shower heads or from steel bottles.[21]

· The SS made sausage in the crematoria out of human flesh.[22]

· Mummified human thumbs were used as light switches in the house of Ilse Koch, wife of KZ commander Koch (Buchenwald).[23]

. Breathed through a keyhole in a gas chamber door at Flossburg to stay alive, cursed the SS when they opened the door, then ran away. [24]
==============================================
sources:
[1] A. Rückerl, op. cit. (note 141), p. 273f.; E. Wiesel, Paroles d'Etranger, Editiondu Seuil, Paris 1982, p. 86; A. Eichmann, in: H. Arendt, op. cit. (note 179), p.184; B. Naumann, op. cit. (note 142), p. 214.
[2] F. Müller, in: H. Langbein, op. cit. (note 151), v. 1, p. 87; witness Wells in the Eichmann Trial, in: F. J. Scheidl, op. cit. (note 74), v. 4, p. 236.
[3] H. Langbein, Menschen in Auschwitz, op. cit. (note 152), pp. 383f.
[4] H. Langbein, ibid., p. 381.
[5] R. Höß, in: M. Broszat (ed.), op. cit. (note 71), p. 130; H. Tauber, in: J.-C. Pressac, op. cit. (note 17), pp. 489f.; F. Müller, Sonderbehandlung, Steinhausen,Munich 1979, pp. 207f., 217ff.; H. Langbein, Menschen in Auschwitz, op. cit.(note 152), p. 148; B. Naumann, op. cit. (note 142), pp. 10, 334f., 443; S. Steinberg, according to: Französisches Büro des Informationsdienstes überKriegsverbrechen (ed.), Konzentrationslager Dokument 321, Reprint 2001, Frankfurt/Main 1993, p. 206; and many more.
[6] E. Bonhoeffer, op. cit. (note 213), pp. 48f.
[7] S. Wiesenthal, Der neue Weg (Vienna), 15/16 & 17/18, 1946; the Soviets wanted to make this one of the charges at the IMT (exhibit USSR-393), but this plan failed due to the other Allies; cf. H. Härtle, Freispruch für Deutschland, Schütz, Göttingen 1965, pp. 126ff.; the Greenwood Cemetery in Atlanta (Georgia, USA) is not the only site to boast a Holocaust-memorial gravestone for 4 bars of "Jewish soap". Cf. also the following corrections: R. Harwood, D. Felderer, JHR 1(2) (1980) pp. 131-139; M. Weber, JHR 11(2) (1991) pp. 217-227.
[8] Aside from C. Mattogno, op. cit. (note 339), cf. esp. S. Szende, Der letzte Jude aus Polen, Europa-Verlag, Zürich 1945; S. Wiesenthal, Der neue Weg (Vienna), 19/20, 1946.
[9] Aside from C. Mattogno, op. cit. (note 339), cf. esp. W. Grossmann, Die Hölle von Treblinka, Verlag für fremdsprachige Literatur, Moscow 1947; The Black Book of Polish Jewry, Roy Publishers, New York 1943.
[10] Aside from note 349, cf. also W. Benz, Dimension des Völkermords, Oldenbourg, Munich 1991; pp. 320, 469, 479, 489, 537ff.
[11] Reports of the Polish underground movement, Archiv der Polnischen Vereinigten Arbeiterpartei, 202/III, v. 7, pp. 120f., quoted in: P. Longerich, op. cit.(note 271), p. 438.
[12] Pravda, Feb. 2, 1945, cf. U. Walendy, Historische Tatsachen No. 31: "Die Befreiung von Auschwitz 1945", Verlag für Volkstum und Zeitgeschichtsforschung, Vlotho 1987, p. 4.
[13] H. von Moltke, Briefe an Freya 1939-1945, Beck, Munich 1988, p. 420; cf. P. Longerich (ed.), op. cit. (note 271), p. 435; Pravda, Feb. 2, 1945.
[14] Nürnberger Nachrichten, Sept. 11, 1978, report about eyewitness testimony in the jury court trial in Aschaffenburg.
[15] R. Höß, in: M. Broszat (ed.), op. cit. (note 71), pp. 161f.; A. Rückerl, NS-Prozesse, op. cit. (note 127), p. 78; H. Grabitz, NS-Prozesse., op. cit. (note191), p. 28.
[16] R. Böck, Frankfurt Public Prosecutor's Office, Ref. 4 Js 444/59, pp. 6881f.
[17] H. G. Adler, H. Langbein, E. Lingens-Reiner (eds.), Auschwitz - Zeugnisse und Berichte, Europäische Verlagsanstalt, Cologne 1984, p. 76.
[18] R. Aschenauer (ed.), Ich, Adolf Eichmann, Druffel, Leoni 1980, pp. 179f.
[19] Verdict of the Hannover District Court, Ref. 2 Ks 1/60; cf. H. Lichtenstein, op. cit. (note 84), p. 83.
[20] F. Müller, op. cit. (note 345), p. 74.
[21] M. Scheckter and a report of June 4, 1945, written by an officer of the 2nd Armored Division, about Auschwitz; Französisches Büro des Informationsdienstes über Kriegsverbrechen (ed.), op. cit. (note 345), p. 184.
[22] David Pressac, in J.-C. Pressac, op. cit. (note 17), p. 554, fourth column, lines 17-22.
[23] Kurt Glass, New York Times, April 10. 1995.
from: 'Death Was Our Destiny',p.49-50, by Arnold Friedman,
Vantage Press, 1972.
[24] Arnold Friedman, Death Was Our Destiny, Vantage Press, 1972, p.49-50
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Re: gas out of shower heads

Postby cold beer » 5 years 10 months ago (Mon Dec 16, 2013 11:59 pm)

Bob wrote:Alfréd Wetzler a later plagiarist....


Bob thank you for posting, these are excellent testimonies and references.
I just viewed a 'gas out of shower heads testimony' today from the USHMM....

http://collections.ushmm.org/search/catalog/irn505561
At the 7 minute mark

Bob what is Kalendarium of Danuta Czech ?
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Re: gas out of shower heads

Postby cold beer » 5 years 10 months ago (Tue Dec 17, 2013 12:40 am)

Zulu wrote:The fact is that testimonies or alleged "confessions" are a gold mine for revisionism. They reflect that they are mostly based in hearsays and rumors while repeating obvious lies spread in and out of the camps.

I certainly think these testimonies should be emphasized.
And to do that properly I feel it's imperative to establish that gas out of shower heads isn't part of the official holocaust narrative and/or has been challenged in terms of a complete absence of the apparatus which would have made it possible.

Zulu wrote:While "gas through shower heads" tends to be discarded in contemporaneous testimonies, other "mistakes" remains like "dark smoke and/or flames" at the crematorium's chimneys, blue color of gassed people, Jewish fat soap, etc...

It depends on what is considered contemporaneous. I have watched these claims made within video testimonies for the USHMM and the Shoah Foundation.
I'm nowhere near as organized as everyone else in this thread has demonstrated to be in order to post multiple links
But I just viewed a 'gas out of shower heads testimony' today from the USHMM....

http://collections.ushmm.org/search/catalog/irn505561
At the 7 minute mark

Zulu wrote:The problem nowadays is that most testimonies, including those exposed to children at school, are not "cleaned" of such enormities.

I believe this is by intent.
In other words they continue to circulate lies and when challenged the establishment writes these people of as nothing more than individuals whose testimonies they do not endorse.
Or claim that these individuals are suffering from psychological damage.

Zulu wrote:Fred Schiefler As an example reported in a video of Jim Rizoli, we have the "testimony" of Fred Schiefler at a school.

I'm familiar with that video, it's a perfect example of the above.
He's no doubt sent to these schools by organizations, but they'd claim, if need be, that he's flying on his own.

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Re: gas out of shower heads

Postby Bob » 5 years 9 months ago (Tue Dec 17, 2013 1:22 pm)

cold beer wrote:
Bob wrote:Alfréd Wetzler a later plagiarist....


Bob thank you for posting, these are excellent testimonies and references.
I just viewed a 'gas out of shower heads testimony' today from the USHMM....

http://collections.ushmm.org/search/catalog/irn505561
At the 7 minute mark

Bob what is Kalendarium of Danuta Czech ?


You are welcome. Video - If I am not mistaken, he said "the gas was flown in" so yes, he probably wanted to say that came out of the shower heads or pipe. Classic "testimony" repeating the same story how everyone saw Mengele on the ramp, towels given to victims, etc., just a basic vague version of the propaganda story used by less educated "witnesses" who maybe really believe in seeing what they are saying and nobody is asking them of course.

Kalendarium der Ereignisse im Konzentrationslager Auschwitz-Birkenau 1939-1945 (Auschwitz Chronicle 1939-1945 in English edition) is a book from orthodox/Auschwitz museum historian Danuta Czech, one of the most cited book whose parts were published already between 1957-1963. Is it written like a calendar day by day (if some data is available for that day) and Alfréd Wetzler have plagiarized several entries.

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Re: gas out of shower heads

Postby cold beer » 5 years 9 months ago (Tue Dec 17, 2013 2:00 pm)

Bob wrote:If I am not mistaken, he said "the gas was flown in" so yes, he probably wanted to say that came out of the shower heads or pipe

Yes, he says "as soon as they went in the gas was flowing and they died" then a minute or so later he says that he was taken to the "very same gas chamber" for a real shower and says "the gas where there flowing through the pipes now they let water through".
In broken English he said that they gassed them using the same pipework that was used for actual showers

Bob wrote: just a basic vague version of the propaganda story used by less educated "witnesses" who maybe really believe in seeing what they are saying and nobody is asking them of course.

This is something that never crosses the minds of holocaust believers. They never consider how ridiculous these 'witnesses' would end up being made to look if they were ever cross examined.

Bob wrote:Kalendarium der Ereignisse im Konzentrationslager Auschwitz-Birkenau 1939-1945 (Auschwitz Chronicle 1939-1945 in English edition) is a book from orthodox/Auschwitz museum historian Danuta Czech, one of the most cited book whose parts were published already between 1957-1963. Is it written like a calendar day by day (if some data is available for that day) and Alfréd Wetzler have plagiarized several entries.

Thanks I was curious about what that book was.
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Re: gas out of shower heads

Postby Bob » 5 years 9 months ago (Tue Dec 17, 2013 2:09 pm)

Thanks for clarification. Kalendarium is available in Italian.

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Re: gas out of shower heads

Postby Bob » 5 years 8 months ago (Mon Jan 20, 2014 8:42 pm)

Here a group of accounts provided by Carlo Mattogno in a translation of his writing "Auschwitz 27 January 1945 - 27 January 2005. Sixty Years of Propaganda" unknown to me till now and available on this new website. I´ve skipped accounts which have been already cited in this thread so that´s why the notes are not complete. Emphasis mine.

Carlo Mattogno wrote:The fairy tale of the shower heads squirting poison gas instead of water was invented fairly early on. It appears in a “Letter Written in Auschwitz Camp”, dated as early as 29 August 1942, in which we read:
“The most terrifying thing is the mass executions in gas chambers constructed especially for the purpose. There are two of these, and they can contain 1,200 people. They are equipped with shower baths, unfortunately delivering poison gas instead of water. (Urz dzone s a nie z prysznicami, z których niestety zamiast wody wydobywa si gaz)” 18.


In an underground report on living conditions in the camp dating back to December 1942 or January 1943, the gassing procedure is described as follows:

“On the inside, the chambers are equipped so as to resemble a shower bath, which only differ from real shower baths in the fact that the showers distribute poison gas instead of water (miast wody, z pryszniców wydobywa sitrujcy gaz). [...].

“Inside the barracks, they must undress immediately, [on the pretext that they are are going to take a bath. They are even given towels and soap. After their shower, they are supposed to receive underwear and clothing. When the chamber is full, the doors are closed and the gas is emitted through openings designed to look like shower heads (i przez otwory w formie pryszniców wydobywa sigaz)” 19.


The French underground newspaper Fraternité, in its issue for May 1944, published the following “eyewitness testimony” on Auschwitz:

“Upon arrival, all the men who were still able to work were sent to the work sites immediately. The others, women, children, old people, were sent to the showers. They were taken into a splendid, modern building…

“But, instead of showers of warm water, which would have refreshed their tired limbs, they received a spray of toxic gas: and in a few instants, there was nothing left but bodies, piled up against the doors through which they had attempted to flee – the bodies of mothers with their children in their arms, or old people clutching their spouses in a supreme gesture of protection” 21


Naturally, the story of the shower baths was spread far and wide by former camp inmates. Here is an example of Sofia Schafranov’s version:
“They faked a shower bath for the victims: although they knew now just what kind of ‘shower bath’ it was, they were even given towels and a piece of soap; after which, they were made to undress and enter hermetically sealed concrete chambers. The ceiling was decked out with shower heads, which emitted poison gas instead of water.” 22.


At the Degesch trial in 1949, a witness mentioned the rumour that at Birkenau, the gas was introduced into the chamber through fake shower heads, but both Dr. Heli, the inventor of Zyklon B, and Dr. Ra., physicist, declared that this gassing technique was impossible, so that the High Court of Frankfurt am Main, in its judgement of 28 March 1949, acknowledged that it was incorrect:

“The Tribunal does not doubt the fact that the hypothesis that the gas was emitted from a tin can of Zyklon B by means of a tap and introduced into the gas chamber, is erroneous, so that it is no longer necessary to perform the experiment requested by one of the defendants” 26.


According to Eugon Kogon, “the hydrocyanic acid gas flowed out from the shower heads and from the ventilation pillars (Ventilatorenpfeilern)” 82.

18 Obóz koncentracyjny Oswiecim w Swietle akt Delegatury Rzadu R.P. na Kraj, op. cit., p. 43.
19 AGK, NTN, 155, pp. 299-300.
21 Stéphane Courtois, Adam Rayski, Qui savait quoi? L’extermination des Juifs 1941-1945. La Découverte, Paris, 1987, p. 220.
22 Alberto Cavaliere, I campi della morte in Germania nel racconto di una sopravvissuta. Milan, 1945, p. 40.
26 C.F. Rüter, Justiz und NS-Verbrechen. Sammlung deutscher Strafurteile wegen nationalsozialisticher Tötungsverbrechen 1945-1966. Amsterdam, 1968-1981, vol. XIII, p. 134
82 E. Kogon, Der SS-Staat. Das System der deutschen Konzentrationslager. Verlag Karl Alber, Munich, 1946, p. 132.

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Re: gas out of shower heads

Postby cold beer » 5 years 8 months ago (Wed Jan 22, 2014 9:19 pm)

Bob thank you for posting, this is excellent!
The most persuasive of course is the excerpt from the Degesch trial, this is exactly what I was in pursuit of.
We'd be hard pressed to find any more effective for discrediting these witnesses.
It would be ideal to find this excerpt in an online transcript of the trial.

I got a good laugh out of the account from Eugon Kogon who takes it to the next level claiming the cyanide came from shower heads and from the "ventilation pillars".


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