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Mathis' lies and threats exposed. Leuchter responds

Postby Werd » 5 years 8 months ago (Wed Jan 15, 2014 5:49 pm)

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TO WHOM IT MAY CONCERN:

I got a rather strange and offensive email this morning purporting to be from Mr. Andrew Mathis of the Holocaust History Project, http://www.holocaust-history.org/ asking me to turn over any old emails I might have from Mr. Fred Leutcher, who is, or was, considered an ex-expert witness on death equipment.

I refused as anyone with ethics would, and now feel Mr. Mathis - I assume representing the Holocaust History Project - has threatened me in a veiled manner for not complying with his requests. I have every reason to believe he may try to cause me trouble because historically Mr. Leutcher says people like this group have hurt other friends who didn't go against Fred Leutcher.

Regarding the timing of Mr. Mathis' effort to drag me into his war, I find all this especially strange coming at this time. I may be wrong, but there are three things that make me wonder whether there is DOC involvement in trying to make me a criminal.

1. My recent publication (just after Christmas) by Florida Department of 'Corrections' employees' contained statements about the corruption within the Florida DOC. http://www.angelfire.com/fl4/fci/FSPsports.html

2. A couple of days afterward I published a page concerning the arrest and treatment of a young man named Andy Lepel, who was severely and repeatedly beaten and drugged at Florida's Broward County Jail. http://www.angelfire.com/fl4/fci/andylepel.html

A couple of days after the publication of Mr. Lepel's story on Jan 3th, 2003, the US Secret Service shows up at his door and all they wanted was his computer, which they got. Since then, emails concerning Andy Lepel that I knew were supposed to arrive in my yahoo account have not come.

3. Two days after the seizure of Mr. Lepel's computer, this morning, Jan. 5th, 2002, I receive Mr. Mathis' emails trying to implicate me in a crime and apparently trying to make me worry for my safety if I don't take down my webpage with Fred Leutcher's info on it. Mr. Leutcher simply offered me his knowledge for my website, which I'm sure is not against the law. http://www.angelfire.com/fl3/starke/hmm.html .

I do not have any idea if anyone in the Department of "Corrections" or Florida government is related in anyway to Mr. Mathis' contact with me, as Mr. Mathis didn't say who suggested to him that I knew Mr. Leutcher in the first place. I don't even know if the three, Andy Lepel's story, the FSP sports story and Mr. Mathis' implication that I've done something criminal, are related. However, I feel strongly enough that something is amiss to bring this situation to your attention.

Even if someone within those offices had anything to do with Mr. Mason's email, I don't know why, unless it is in retaliation for the FSP Sports Stories, or more likely to silence me from telling any more.

I have included the complete correspondence between Mr. Mathis and myself. I have also included a note from Mr. Leutcher in response.

I am reporting this now in an effort to keep everything aboveboard and real. I am simply an old lady, a concerned grandmother, who listens to those no one else will listen to and then amplifies those stories in an effort to encourage professional behavior of those in positions of authority over others, all done, by the way, in the hopes of helping to create a peaceful change to real healing in the system.

I would hope that agents of any "Law Enforcement", government agency or Survivor's group would not cause disruption in my life nor the lives of those I care about for using my rights to free speech. I will expect privacy in my person, property, possessions, and papers.

Thank you for your attention,

Kay Lee
P.O. Box 12232
St. Pete, Fl. 33733
[email protected]
715-831-0076
http://www.angelfire.com/fl3/starke

FROM: "Andrew E Mathis" <[email protected]>
TO: [email protected]
DATE: Sun, 5 Jan 2003
Subject: Fred Leuchter

Andrew E Mathis <[email protected]> wrote:

Dear Ms. Lee:

I am a board member of the Holocaust History Project (http://www.thhp.org/ ) a non-profit Holocaust education foundation based physically in San Antonio, Texas, but operating with a worldwide membership primarily as a Web presence.

We got a tip from someone that you had had personal correspondence with Fred Leuchter, he of the film *Mr. Death* and the Zündel Holocaust denial trial in Canada. In your correspondence with Mr. Leuchter, he indicates that he is an engineer. He has been legally barred from representing himself as such in the state of Massachusetts, where he indicates he is writing from.

While I realize this is a large request from someone that you don't know from Adam, would it be possible for you to forward, with the full headers, the e-mails you received from Leuchter, if you are still in possession of them? Mr. Leuchter has apparently broken the law, and there is no time limit on the agreement he signed wherein he agreed not to represent himself as an engineer in the state of Massachusetts.

Speaking for myself, I am not interested in pursuing the personal ruin of Fred Leuchter; he's done that just fine himself. What I am interested in doing is making sure that Leuchter does not further violate the law by representing himself as something that he is not.

If such behavior as Leuchter's is not controlled, the entire process of expert witnesses in civil and criminal trials can be brought into jeopardy.

I would greatly appreciate your assistance in this matter. I will gladly answer any questions you may have. I look forward to hearing from you.

Yours truly,

Andrew E. Mathis, Ph.D.

Mr. Mathis. Indeed, you are right. You are a total stranger and Your request is a bit offensive.

I'm sorry, but I cannot be a part of the continued effort to destroy this man's life when all I can see is that he used the tools and knowledge at his disposal at the time (so long ago) and came up with a decision a lot of people don't agree with.

Goodness, You are part of such a wonderful and powerful group that you could do so much good if all your energy were put into something positive, instead of making an example out of this man. Do you plan to haunt him unto death? That's a bit unGodly, don't you think?

I just spent a year working with the most wonderful Jewish man of all (in my heart), Richard "Dick" Korn, PhD. He accomplished great things because he was not bogged down with a hatred of Mr. Leuchter, nor of any other man. If you want to be a credit to your religion, you must get on to things of more urgency to your creator.

I don't keep old emails and if I did, I wouldn't send them. You'll have to set up your own correspondence with Mr. Leuchter. Besides, everything I have from Mr. Leuchter is on the website.

I do hope you find peace in forgiveness.
Kay Lee

To: [email protected]
CC: [email protected]
From: "Andrew E Mathis" <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Fred Leuchter
Date: Sun, 05 Jan 2003 10:18:51 -0800 (PST)

Kay Lee wrote:

Mr. Mathis. Indeed, you are right. You are a total stranger and Your request is a bit offensive. I'm sorry, but I cannot be a part of the continued effort to destroy this man's life when all I can see is that he used the tools and knowledge at his disposal at the time (so long ago) and came up with a decision a lot of people don't agree with.

Mr. Mathis wrote:

Ms. Lee, he did quite a bit more than that. Quite simply, he lied. Under oath, to boot. If you think that his conclusions are of no importance, then consider that he got paid $35,000 Canadian for them. Consider also that the man who paid him is a sworn neo-Nazi who once co-authored a book entitled *The Hitler We Loved and Why*. If Fred Leuchter was willing to undertake his "work" and deny the Holocaust and claims that he is unaware that this is a neo-Nazi endeavor, then he is either (1) lying or (2) the most stupid man in the world.

Goodness, You are part of such a wonderful and powerful group that you could do so much good if all your energy were put into something positive, instead of making an example out of this man. Do you plan to haunt him unto death? That's a bit unGodly, don't you think?

I for one would not dare to guess the mind of God. And I wonder what "powerful group" I'm a part of, but we'll leave that one for the moment.

I just spent a year working with the most wonderful Jewish man of all (in my heart), Richard "Dick" Korn, PhD. He accomplished great things because he was not bogged down with a hatred of Mr. Leuchter, nor of any other man. If you want to be a credit to your religion, you must get on to things of more urgency to your creator.

Wow. I wasn't aware that wonderful men fell into two categories: Jews and non-Jews.

But I digress: You claim that I hate Mr. Leuchter. I do not hate him, nor could I, because I do not know him. Nevertheless, I despite what he stands for, which is the continued attempt to rehabilitate National Socialism by denying the deaths of twelve million completely innocent human beings. If you don't think there's something evil about that, then I think you need to adjust your moral compass.

As for my "getting on," Fred Leuchter is nothing but a blip on rather large radar. He's been professionally refuted three times -- once by one of my colleagues, so effectively, in fact, that David Irving (a Jew-hating Holocaust denier and one of Leuchter's principal defenders) was forced to withdraw a report from another "expert," Germar Rudolf, because it was so inferior by comparison.

Leuchter's continuing error, in my opinion, is two-fold: (1) He either plays dumb or is dumb about the evil nature of his work for Zündel; and (2) He is in direct violation of a court order. Had I more time at my disposal and a real mean streak, I could just call the Massachusetts Department of Justice and have all of these things subpoenaed, and Leuchter could end up in jail, paying a fine, or both. But as I said, I have no interest in destroying a man who has already self-destructed. I have an interest in protecting the judicial process in my country -- a process that is daily being eroded in the name of national security.

This goes way beyond the Holocaust for me, Ms. Lee. Our system of justice is endangered by those who flagrantly violate our laws, as Mr. Leuchter and you, as an accessory, have done.

I don't keep old emails and if I did, I wouldn't send them. You'll have to set up your own correspondence with Mr. Leuchter. Besides, everything I have from Mr. Leuchter is on the website.

I would suggest you remove the materials regarding Mr. Leuchter from your Web site for your own good. There are people in this world far more vindictive than me who would, in fact, like to see Leuchter in jail or bankrupt. And they'll be the ones filing a case in the Massachusetts courts, not me.

I do hope you find peace in forgiveness.

Frankly, Ms. Lee, I am content that I am doing God's work.

I hope you sleep well tonight.

Andrew Mathis

I forwarded Mr. Mason's message to Fred Leuchter in case he wanted to contact Mr. Mason himself. This is Mr. Leuchter's response.

Dear Kay,

Thank you for your kind support.

I have no objection to your posting this on your website. I just hope you do not get into trouble for it. These are vindictive people. They think nothing of threatening your life. They have done this to my friends before. We are all in God's hands.

I hope it is not starting again.

FYI: I have never misrepresented myself as a Licensed "Professional Engineer". I am an engineer by the nature of my work as are 99 percent of the engineers on this planet.

My Court case relative to misrepresenting myself was a fabric of lies then and still is. My accusers knew this, the Judge and Court knew this and the District Attorney knew this but he had a major Jewish support base and was elected. He is now our Attorney General.

The Court case was a political hot potato and the Judge ordered the DA to settle it before it got to court and embarrassed everyone. I had an out of state attorney practicing alone (an unheard of situation since I had 3 court appointed lawyers and their families threatened).

The agreement had a defined time limit of 2 years. The charges were dismissed forthwith. I agreed not to represent myself as a Licensed "Professional Engineer", which I never did anyway.

The Engineering Board was required by that agreement to accept my application and issue me a license if I chose to apply for a license. I did not choose to do so. I did not need a license, nor do I now. I build no bridges or buildings and have no need to certify blueprints for construction. These are the only reasons one needs a license.

I was Certified by the Federal Court System as an "Expert on Execution Technology" and as an "Expert on Electrocution Technology" and my detractors cannot take that away.

I hope Mr. Mathis understands that I have not now, nor in the past, broken the law. I hope he further understands that what he is doing now borders on libel and I will consider it as such. There are also laws against filing false criminal complaints against individuals. I intend to consider all my options in this matter.

I just hope you are not hurt by all this. We are all in God's hands.

Thank you again,

Fred'

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Re: Mathis' lies and threats exposed. Leuchter responds

Postby hermod » 5 years 8 months ago (Thu Jan 16, 2014 2:25 am)

How is Mr Leuchter today? Is there a way to help him in one way or another (money for instance)?
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Re: Mathis' lies and threats exposed. Leuchter responds

Postby Werd » 5 years 8 months ago (Thu Jan 16, 2014 3:12 am)

Not sure. As the dates show, that exchange is just over ten years old. I have no idea how Leuchter is doing today. He too probably is keeping a low key now for his own sake.

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Re: Mathis' lies and threats exposed. Leuchter responds

Postby Charles Traynor » 5 years 8 months ago (Thu Jan 16, 2014 2:04 pm)

Mathis comes across as a real scumbag in those emails. Wasn’t he also involved in giving evidence against Ernst Zündel in the past (possibly before Ernst was deported to Canada)?
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Re: Mathis' lies and threats exposed. Leuchter responds

Postby Moderator » 5 years 7 months ago (Fri Jan 17, 2014 12:17 pm)

OK, point made. Let's get back to "Holocaust" specifics.
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