Apokiliptik, you said:
Supporters of the Revisionist viewpoint claim that the crematoria and the buildings they were in were simply morgues and ovens for dealing with bodies of dead prisoners. The prisoners had died of typhus, hunger and other unfortunate circumstances. But if that's all the crematoriums were then why did the Germans destroy them? There's nothing sinister or criminal about crematoriums and morgues. If they were worried about how many people died, then why didn't they show the same anxiety in Germany proper at Bergen Belsen, Dachau, Buchenwald, etc.
If hiding something was the intent then why were other alleged 'gas chambers' not destroyed, as in Majdanek? Please read:
Forty-Six Important Unanswered Questions Regarding the Nazi Gas ChambersBy David Cole
http://codoh.com/library/document/987- The underside of an alleged gas chamber at Auschwitz/Birkenau has no holes for the placement of Zyklon-B that are alleged to have been there. There is no indication that the alleged 'holes' were filled in. If the intent was to hide something then why leave this alleged 'gas chamber' roof so intact?

you said:
In the Sobibor concentration camp the prisoners rose up and killed the SS guards and took off across a mine field. They knew there was a mine field because others had died. A number of them were killed in it. They were so terrified of that camp and remaining in it that running across a live mine field seemed preferable to them than staying. After this the SS obliterated the camp. The planted 4 year old pines to cover up it's existence. This was seen by a witness named Jan. If all it was was a work camp, then why were the prisoners so terrified and why did the Germans go to such elaborate lengths to erase it. It wasn't found until the 1990's.
"Witness" Jan who? Did he testify in court? If so, do you have his verbatim testimony with cross examination to review? Simply making claims and proving the claims are rather different.
You said:
In your response to me you said that they didn't destroy the "Gas chambers"/"Morgues". That's just not an accurate description of Auschwitz-Birkenau. Only one facility of the 5 remained standing. Facility 2 was flattened and there is photographic evidence of that. I know 3 was destroyed but I had trouble finding images of it. There were two houses used as gas chambers, if that happened, early in the camps history that were later flattened by the SS. Now my numbers may be off here so please be patient but I think it was 4 that was burned down in a revolt by Sondercommando. Then 5 was destroyed by SS. The one left standing called 1 was used for a number of things other than mass execution, assuming it was used for that. It was used as a morgue and as an air raid shelter. It's use as a gas chamber, if it was used that way, was for about one year between 41 and 42. I'm not sure there would have been much evidence of it being a "Gas chamber" after such a short time. That's just my opinion. Finally, why would Soviets use crematoriums and morgues as propaganda? That's not how they did mass executions. They used a machine gun or rifles. How would it even occur to them to speculate that someone would gas people. How would the Germans have thought of it. How would it even occur to them that they could be accused of such a thing. That's a pretty extreme thing. Did it just pop into there heads "Oh man! the Red army is coming, we'd better raze those crematoriums and morgues or their propaganda people might concoct an elaborate story about how we gassed millions of Jews with cans of Zyklon B and burned their bodies." That's a little far fetched. One would have to be psychotically paranoid.
Where I come from we usually go with the simplest explanation to an event. The SS has been accused of committing crimes such as murder by means gassing people in side of buildings and then burning their bodies. When the camps were investigated it was discovered that the SS deliberately destroyed the very buildings these events were said to take place in. They have engaged in this same behavior with three other camps. Witnesses accuse them of the same behavior at those camps. The simplest explanation is that they destroyed evidence to cover up the crimes they were accused of. The explanation given by the author of the article you shared involves an elaborate, unclear, undefined, and really inexplicable conspiracy theory. The only reason to believe what the author of that article has to say over my explanation is because you so strongly prefer to believe the article that you are willing to ignore the strength of my arguments in order to protect your viewpoint.
Something that the article said confused me. I had heard that there was not evidence that Jewish people had been gassed and yet it sounded like he was saying that considerable documentation was discovered at Auschwitz of exactly that. I'm confused.
You didn't talk about the issues concerning the Sobibor revolt or it's destruction. The same covering up of the camps existence by the SS happened at Treblinka and Belzec. The SS actually moved a Ukrainian farmer on the site of both Treblinka and Belzec to keep the locals from snooping the grounds.
- You have zero proof for your 'houses made into gas chambers'. That issue has been debunked repeatedly at this forum and elsewhere. You're obviously new to Revisionism and not at all familiar with our research.
- Please start a separate thread and tell us how you believe the 'gas chambers' actually worked. In fact, start a separate thread on any of your views related to the 'holocaust' storyline as your original post, as noted, touches on many, too many points.
- As far "Where I come from we usually go with the simplest explanation to an event." goes, then please show us human remains as alleged, please show us a single, verifiable excavation which displays huge numbers of confirmed Jewish corpses in situ. That would be one of the "simplest" approaches.
- Please, in a new thread, show us the "documentation" which you claim proves 'gassings' at Auschwitz. Real German documents, not someone's alleged 'translations' of alleged German documents. IOW, show us real documents to review.
- Speaking of Treblinka, please show us the enormous pit/s that is/are claimed to have held ca. 800,000 Jews. Please show us the human remains. Please tell us how the Jews were supposedly murdered, with proof of course.
- Why are there so many statements made by Jews, so many articles by Jews, along with British intercepts of German messages indicating that Jews were simply moved into eastern Europe (just as German leadership stated) and in so many, many cases, Jews were sent elsewhere after entering alleged "death camps" such as Auschwitz, Treblinka, etc.?
- Why did most Jews choose to retreat from Auschwitz with the Germans rather than stay behind and await the arrival of the communist Soviets?
- Why would the German leave behind so many alive Jews at Auschwitz? Wouldn't the Germans be afraid of them talking? ... if the storyline was true. And if the 'planned extermination of Jews' storyline was true, why didn't the Germans simply kill all the Jews before the Germans retreated from Auschwitz, or any of the alleged "extermination camps"?
Again, you go off into many tangents in this thread which makes for a cluttered, difficult to follow, discussion. In the future, please separate your topics into separate threads. I suggest you use our search function here or go to the CODOH main site to familiarize yourself with Revisionist research and debate. Revisionists here are quite familiar with the position/s you wish to defend.
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