More thoughts on the aerial photos of Auschwitz / Hebden

Read and post various viewpoints or search our large archives.

Moderator: Moderator

Forum rules
Be sure to read the Rules/guidelines before you post!
User avatar
Hannover
Valuable asset
Valuable asset
Posts: 10338
Joined: Sun Nov 24, 2002 7:53 pm

More thoughts on the aerial photos of Auschwitz / Hebden

Postby Hannover » 1 decade 7 years ago (Sat Feb 07, 2004 8:54 pm)

From The Revisionist Forum registrant, David Hebden:
http://www.fpp.co.uk/Letters/Auschwitz/ ... 50204.html
Better air photos of Auschwitz

WE'D LIKE to point out something that caught our eye while re-examining the various aerial photos.

The best resolution shot of the new August 23 photo can be seen here:
http://www.evidenceincamera.co.uk/image ... /conc1.htm [or: mirror]

Look directly beneath Krema IV and V, at the area which was known as Canada, where the clothes and other property of the inmates was stored. You should see three or four dot-like black markings in a diagonal pattern. There appears to be some overlapping of these dots with the warehouse buildings themselves.

What's remarkable is that a similar layout can be witnessed in both the September 13 and May 31 [1944] photos, here:
(ignore the fraudulent 'gas chambers' labels - H.)
Image
[or: mirror]
or:
http://www.yad-vashem.org.il/exhibition ... _5_44.html [or: mirror]

We're at a loss to explain the nature and persistence of these (and other) markings across the three photos. Any thoughts?

David Hebden

As Irving points out, no 'Zyklon-B holes here at Kremas II & III as alleged:
Image

You also gotta love the drawn in 'fences' around the crematoriums and the unevely spaced 'Zyklon-B holes' at Krema III here:
http://www.evidenceincamera.co.uk/image ... /conc1.htm
when it's alleged they were evenly spaced, but don't show-up in the other photo.
Someone has been mucking about and then was inconsistent with their tampering; always a problem once the monkey business is started.

The 'holocau$t' Industry has failed to adhere to a very basic principle:
Tell the truth, it's easier to remember.

- Hannover
If it can't happen as alleged, then it didn't.

Turpitz
Valuable asset
Valuable asset
Posts: 1076
Joined: Sun May 11, 2003 12:57 pm

Postby Turpitz » 1 decade 7 years ago (Sat Feb 07, 2004 9:22 pm)

tell the truth, it's easier to remember


Or: 'To be a good liar, you must have a good memory.'


Those pictures are such a dismal meagre offering.

I mean, I don't know what the Industry is saying the numbers for Auschwitz are at the present time. 1.000,000, 2.000,000, 3.000,000. WHO KNOWS ?

But looking at this burnt offering, where's all the people ? Where's all the Soldiers ? Where's all the wood ? where's all the collosal fires ? Where's all the peoples belongings ? Where's all the Trucks ? Where's all the pit's?
Where's all the bodies ?

To me, looking at the photo. It looks like a picture of serenity down there. You could not pick a more peaceful, composed and calm picture if you tried. There's just nothing going on. There's so little happening down there, it's bloody boring ! I cannot even see a single person anywhere in the photo.

I will say this though, not that I'm implying anything by it, but it needs to be said. Make no mistake, that a graphics designer who knew his way around professional software like, 3DS Max or Cinema 4D, Maya or Softimage XSI, could put smoke anywhere they pleased on that photo, and with ease too.

The render engines on these expensive pieces of software, have shadow casting, volumetric lighting, caustics, anti-aliasing, cluster engines, radiosity, transparency with refraction, and the list goes on.

If someone was so inclined, they could do what they wanted to that photo, and neither you or I would be able to tell the difference. And that's a fact, make no mistake !

User avatar
Hannover
Valuable asset
Valuable asset
Posts: 10338
Joined: Sun Nov 24, 2002 7:53 pm

Postby Hannover » 1 decade 7 years ago (Sun Feb 08, 2004 1:19 am)

If someone was so inclined, they could do what they wanted to that photo, and neither you or I would be able to tell the difference. And that's a fact, make no mistake !


Yes they could, but it's too late. The photos which have been tampered with, in various laughable versions, are out already, have been seen and archived; and photos which do not show what is alleged are out already, have been seen and archived. To attempt more manipulation will be a feast for Revisionists.

- Hannover
If it can't happen as alleged, then it didn't.

User avatar
Sailor
Valuable asset
Valuable asset
Posts: 810
Joined: Wed Nov 27, 2002 6:54 pm
Location: California

Postby Sailor » 1 decade 7 years ago (Sun Feb 08, 2004 7:12 am)

No doubt:

The Caustians were caught with their pants down!

:D

fge

TMoran
Valued contributor
Valued contributor
Posts: 513
Joined: Wed Nov 27, 2002 7:00 pm

Postby TMoran » 1 decade 7 years ago (Mon Feb 09, 2004 7:21 pm)

From The Revisionist Forum registrant, David Hebden:
http://www.fpp.co.uk/Letters/Auschwitz/ ... 50204.html
Quote:

Better air photos of Auschwitz

WE'D LIKE to point out something that caught our eye while re-examining the various aerial photos.

The best resolution shot of the new August 23 photo can be seen here:
http://www.evidenceincamera.co.uk/image ... /conc1.htm [or: mirror]

Look directly beneath Krema IV and V, at the area which was known as Canada, where the clothes and other property of the inmates was stored. You should see three or four dot-like black markings in a diagonal pattern. There appears to be some overlapping of these dots with the warehouse buildings themselves.

What's remarkable is that a similar layout can be witnessed in both the September 13 and May 31 [1944] photos, here:
(ignore the fraudulent 'gas chambers' labels - H.)

=============================================

Why even wonder about the marks. They don't mean anything until someone(s) says they represent something? The smoke is phony and there are marks on the cellars of Cremas II and III. That would be where the attention should be.

User avatar
Sailor
Valuable asset
Valuable asset
Posts: 810
Joined: Wed Nov 27, 2002 6:54 pm
Location: California

Postby Sailor » 1 decade 7 years ago (Mon Feb 09, 2004 8:25 pm)

These three small rectangles or squares at the same place on all three photos on the streets within the "Kanada" (storage) area of Birkenau may be trucks.

This would mean, that the pictures were taken at about the same time, and not 6 months apart.

Which would be another indication of some major "doctoring" of these pictures.

fge

TMoran
Valued contributor
Valued contributor
Posts: 513
Joined: Wed Nov 27, 2002 7:00 pm

Postby TMoran » 1 decade 7 years ago (Mon Feb 09, 2004 8:36 pm)

Did I mumble something about not bothering to wonder about the black squares seen over buildings in the Kanada complex seen in the Aug.23 photo?

Maybe the black squares over buildings in Kanada are worth thinking about.

Maybe the person(s) in control of this photo knew about the black rectangles that are seen on the Aug.25, 1944 photo and made to seem like they were formations of prisoners. Maybe they put the black squares on the Aug.23 photo so as to imply black squares and rectangles are just somwe kind of anomaly that happens. Then they would have those on the Aug.23 photo to point to in order to say something like, 'Who cares about those black rectangles on the Aug.25 photo they show up on other photos too.' Maybe for extra measure those that have control of the Aug.23 photo put that black irregular blob in that we can see also in the Kanada complex.

Turpitz
Valuable asset
Valuable asset
Posts: 1076
Joined: Sun May 11, 2003 12:57 pm

Postby Turpitz » 1 decade 7 years ago (Tue Feb 10, 2004 7:36 pm)

and there are marks on the cellars of Cremas II and III. That would be where the attention should be.



Maybe the black squares over buildings in Kanada are worth thinking about.


He, He, He !

User avatar
ClaudiaRothenbach
Valued contributor
Valued contributor
Posts: 569
Joined: Tue Feb 10, 2004 2:16 pm

Comment from Daniel Uziel

Postby ClaudiaRothenbach » 1 decade 7 years ago (Thu Feb 12, 2004 3:07 am)

Tody there is a Letter-to-the-Editor in the German Journal "Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung" from Daniel Uziel. You find the original text below. Here is a brief summary of the content in English:

Uziel published an essay about arial reconnaicance in the book Anton Holzer (Ed.): "Mit der Kamera bewaffnet. Krieg und Fotografie" ("Armed with a camera. War and photographie"). Uziel wrote about the history of origings of the photo (mission Nr. 60PR 686 of the South African 60 Photo Reconnaicance Squadron).

The last two sentences are the most important: On August 22, 1944 759 jews from KL Mauthausen were gassed in Birkenau. It is nearly certain that the smoke origins from the cremation of the bodys of these victims.

Has anybody read his essay? Why didn't the SS use the crematories? Why can we recognize a queue of about 70 persons but no dead body beside the fire place?

_______________________________________________________
Zu "Die Luftaufnahme der Vernichtung" (F.A.Z. vom 27. Januar): Mit großer Aufmerksamkeit verfolge ich seit Tagen die Veröffentlichungen um die "neu entdeckten" Luftaufnahmen des Keele-Archivs. Sie haben in dem obengenannten Bericht die Birkenau-Luftaufnahme vom 23. August 1944 veröffentlicht. Ein Aufsatz von mir über die Luftaufklärung der Alliierten über Auschwitz wurde 2003 im Band "Mit der Kamera bewaffnet. Krieg und Fotografie" herausgegeben, veröffentlicht von Anton Holzer. Dort bringe ich weitere Einzelheiten zur Entstehungsgeschichte dieses Bildes. Das Bild wurde im Rahmen des Einsatzes Nr. 60PR 686 von einer Mosquito-Maschine der südafrikanischen 60 Photo Reconnaissance Squadron am 23. August 1944 aufgenommen. Der Zweck dieses Einsatzes war, den Erfolg des amerikanischen Luftwaffe-Angriffs vom 20. August 1944 auf die IG-Farben-Fabrik neben Birkenau zu bewerten. Das Bild - wie jede andere Auschwitz-Luftaufnahme der Alliierten - war also ein Nebenprodukt der Aufklärung der strategisch wichtigen Fabrik und hat nichts zu tun mit den Nachrichten über Auschwitz, die die Alliierten aus anderen Quellen bekommen haben. Am 22. August 1944 wurden in Birkenau 759 Juden des KZ Mauthausen vergast. Es ist also fast sicher, daß die Rauchwolke im Bild aus der Verbrennung der Leichen in Gräben neben der Gaskammer V stammt.
Dr. Daniel Uziel, Jerusalem, Israel
Text: Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung, 12.02.2004, Nr. 36 / Seite 8

User avatar
Hannover
Valuable asset
Valuable asset
Posts: 10338
Joined: Sun Nov 24, 2002 7:53 pm

Postby Hannover » 1 decade 7 years ago (Thu Feb 12, 2004 10:44 am)

Claudia:

More nonsense from a True Believer in the impossible. Revisionists have shown that the gassings as alleged are scientifically impossible, as are the cremations as alleged (crematories or pits).
There is some concern now that this 'smoke' was added to the photo a la the faked Zyklon-B inserts said to be on top of the morgues for typhus victims which are absurdly said to have been 'gas chambers'.

Regardless of what this Daniel Uziel wishes to fantasize about, there were no gassings and he cannot refute informed Revisionists on this matter.

There is no physical evidence to support the standard story and the photos in fact support the Revisionist position (ie: some with added in Zyklon 'holes', some without, no massive piles of bodies as allged, no massive fuel piles that would have been required, etc. etc.)

for more on the aerial photos see:
http://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?t=506
http://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?t=810

Welcome to the Revisionist Forum where free speech is practiced. and protected.

- Hannover
If it can't happen as alleged, then it didn't.

Turpitz
Valuable asset
Valuable asset
Posts: 1076
Joined: Sun May 11, 2003 12:57 pm

Postby Turpitz » 1 decade 7 years ago (Thu Feb 12, 2004 6:26 pm)

Why didn't the SS use the crematories?


The SS in the camps were basically SS in name only. The real SS were out fighting the most ferocious/bloodiest battles in history, on the Russian front .

Why can we recognize a queue of about 70 persons


Sorry Claudia, but I haven't seen that bit. Where are they exactly on the 'THE' picture ?

Turpitz
Valuable asset
Valuable asset
Posts: 1076
Joined: Sun May 11, 2003 12:57 pm

Postby Turpitz » 1 decade 7 years ago (Thu Feb 12, 2004 6:51 pm)

See the big picture at the top? well notice how it is over-exposed in the corners ?

That's because on the other one there's a nice scratch there from the film. So they added a couple of photoshop (Or probably window's paint, knowing what misers they are) lights to cover it up.

They've also de-saturated it, that's why the field has pixelated into rows of black dot's.

They have also over-exposed the right edge. No wonder considering the paste job on the land-scape. Have you ever heard of layers ?

Not very professional. very amateurish, I must say.

You would think with the annual turn-over of the Industry. The managing directors would at least pay someone to do a decent job.

User avatar
ClaudiaRothenbach
Valued contributor
Valued contributor
Posts: 569
Joined: Tue Feb 10, 2004 2:16 pm

Queue in sector B II c

Postby ClaudiaRothenbach » 1 decade 7 years ago (Fri Feb 13, 2004 9:11 am)

There is a queue in sector B II c and additionally a row of people (roll call?). The queue and row are not in front of an alleged gas chamber.

(You find an enlarged cut-out of the photo here:
http://www.spiegel.de/wissenschaft/mens ... 12,00.html
Go a little bit down and click on the photo in the first column and second row)

The comment says that these are people.
I say: Why can we see people in front of a living barrack but nobody in front of the "gas chambers" or beside the fire places? (And - by the way - nowhere else on the photo?)

Turpitz
Valuable asset
Valuable asset
Posts: 1076
Joined: Sun May 11, 2003 12:57 pm

Postby Turpitz » 1 decade 7 years ago (Fri Feb 13, 2004 2:50 pm)

Sorry Claudia, they are drawn in !

Why do they walk by the door, by about ten feet. Then do a long slow turn, then walk back. straight into the corner of the building.

People do not walk in this manner, unless they have no option. i.e railings or such. Why do they walk right out in the middle of the path ? Your natural instincts would take the shortest route which would be close to the building, and directly into the door.

Do you know why ?

Because if they had been drawn in by the forger in the correct position, they would be hard to see. They had to be out in the middle of no-where walking in a stupid snake like manner so as to be obvious for propaganda purposes.


And take it from me, they are crudely drawn in rubbish. And as far as the H-Industry goes, where evidence is concerned. This garbage is about as good as it gets.

Come on Claudia, start switching on !

Have a look on this forum, at all the other forgeries and bodge up photo's they have been caught forging.

Tell me Claudia, what is your impression of the smoke in the (Ahem) supposed 'New' photo, Do you think it is genuine ?

All the best, T.

Turpitz
Valuable asset
Valuable asset
Posts: 1076
Joined: Sun May 11, 2003 12:57 pm

Postby Turpitz » 1 decade 7 years ago (Fri Feb 13, 2004 3:06 pm)

Actually, I think I drew the wrong conclusions from your post. I have just re-read it and I think, you thought they are very dubious as well.


Return to “'Holocaust' Debate / Controversies / Comments / News”

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 10 guests