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NEO-NAZIS AND REVISIONISTS

Postby code yellow » 1 decade 6 years ago (Thu Feb 12, 2004 11:25 am)

:D I recently read a post submitted on this forum where the poster apparently attempted to create a link between revisionists and modern political groups like neo-nazis. Neo-nazis have an agenda that is clearly and primarily prejudicial in nature.

They exploit revisionist efforts to add strength to their cause by means of intelectual debate.They have nothing to do with third reich era national socialism,but continue to exploit it as the label of their cause.I doubt if nazis were still around that they'd have anything to do with neo-nazis,as they only serve as an embarrassment with their distorted views of national socialismThey only serve to enhance a grim view of the national socialist period.

As long as I have been reading the findings and views of revisionists,I have not run across one that seamed to me to be anti-semetic or affiliated with any supremecist organization.The fight is not against jews in general,but jewish supremacy,which I need not remind all posters on this forum does indeed exist.

Why would David Cole be honored on this site and threatened on the JDL site?One poster on this forum also mentioned holocaust sites with the same fair and impartial acceptance of all opinions.You have to show me where these are. I have posted questions that were polite,fair,and none threatening and have been thrown off imediately. I was thrown off a site called the third reich forum in which I made a statement that said the Germans during WW2 were no more guilty and the allied victors no more innocent of any warcrimes.I found myself being ganged up on by many members on a few posts at a time.I also got threatening replies and posters questioning who my master was. One of the few civil rebutals I got concerning gas chamber executions was,"We have the photos and the testimonies", period. It didn't take much time for me to be booted.

My bottom line here is that I can't say this for the whole community of revisionists, but I find that any one I have dealt with or heard about in this community do not have any prejudicial agendas and are not affiliated with any political groups like neo-nazis, although I find terms like this against revisionists are yet one more to the list of phrases exterminationists use to validate their arguments when they know their arguments are failing.

Remember, neo-nazis are not a product of national socialist Germany, but are a product of America. Any comments would be much appreciated.

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Postby Sailor » 1 decade 6 years ago (Thu Feb 12, 2004 10:04 pm)

code yellow wrote: I recently read a post submitted on this forum where the poster apparently attempted to create a link between revisionists and modern political groups like neo-nazis.

Who would be called a neo-Nazi?

I assume that anybody who believes in, supports or attempts to enforce the Nazi ideology (expansion of German territories to the east, cleansing Germany of racial minorities, eliminating the interest rate based economy, social protection for workers etc.) as described in their program could be called a neo-Nazi.
If something like this was posted on this forum, I missed it.

If neo-Nazis are so called skins and baldies, I missed that post also.

But the Holocausters may also call anyone a neo-Nazi who questions the "Holocaust" myth. Denying the existence of homicidal gas chambers, not believing the claimed government planned systematic killing of the Jewish minority, or expressing doubts about the alleged six million Jewish victims may put one very well into the camp of neo-Nazis as far as the 'causters are concerned.

Maybe someone is called a neo-Nazi, if he is an American patriot, loves his country and does not think that it is such a great idea to open the US borders wide to people with different cultures.

I was thrown off a site called the third reich forum in wich I made a statement that said the Germans during WW2 were no more guilty and the allied victors no more innocent of any warcrimes.

Well, join the club.

The Third Reich Forum seems to tend towards hate propaganda against Germany of the WWII area, to protest would be against the Forum rules, this would be labeled denial of what they believe is the truth and would be considered insulting to Jews.

WWII is over since almost 60 years, we don't need this nonsense anymore.

I am not interested in that forum.

Remember,neo-nazis are not a product of national socialist Germany,but are a product of America. Any comments would be much apreciated.

Is that right? They are in Germany too, you know.

I don't think that this forum is for skins and baldies.

The purpose of this forum as I see it is to find out through debates with others a little more about what might really have happened in those years from 1939 to 1945 to the Jews. All we have now is what is shown on TV, i.e. the conformist view which is based on the result of the war crime trials by the victors over the vanquished in Nuremberg in 1946.

I see nothing wrong in also becoming familiar with the views of the other side, the revisionist side. And then pick and accept what makes sense to me.

Why would this be wrong ?

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Postby code yellow » 1 decade 6 years ago (Thu Feb 12, 2004 10:21 pm)

:? To Sailor,I just wondered about where the origins of the term neo-nazi came from.Is it a lable imposed on someone for citing any positive aspects of national socialist views,(of wich,incidently,I myself have many positive views),by people who dissagree with any sympathetic acknowledgement of it?I have no problem with anyone pointing out any pro aspects of national socialism.But I am wondering about people who use it to further a prejudicial agenda,much like judeo supremecists do with the holocaust.

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Postby montague » 1 decade 6 years ago (Fri Feb 13, 2004 12:24 am)

I’ll just give a rundown on Neo-Nazism...

Firstly, National Socialism (1923-1945) is German and for Germans only. It’s true that neighbouring countries at the time, such as Denmark, Sweden and the Netherlands, had Nazi parties, but generally, it was for Germans at that particular historical time. The objectives were to break the Versailles Treaty, find living space for overpopulated Germany, deal with the military threat posed by France and the USSR, solve the German unemployment problem (not to mention the communist problem)...

Is there such a thing as Neo-Nazism? Otto Remer’s Socialist Reich Party (1949-1952) in West Germany attempted it. It certainly looked and felt like Nazism. But even so, given that Germany’s position had radically changed since the days of the Versailles Treaty, the SRP’s program differed from the original.

Most people, when they use the word ‘Neo-Nazi’, are referring to the American/British variety. The movement was founded by George Lincoln Rockwell and Colin Jordan, two clowns who loved dressing themselves and their followers up in brownshirt uniforms. One couldn’t find anything more different from German National Socialism: the Neo-Nazis insisted - and still do - that Nazism was intended, not only for Germans, but for ‘all white people’, including Russians, Czechs and Poles! These ‘white nationalist’ beliefs have been adopted by the skinhead movement.

(Ernst Zundel wrote recently that he disparages those people who dress up in Nazi uniforms, as it’s an insult to the 15 million Germans who died for the National Socialist cause. I agree, it is insulting).

A typical argument against Revisionism goes like this: we can’t disprove the Holocaust because that would bring back Nazism; we can’t bring back Nazism because it would lead to another Holocaust. My reply to that is, if there was no Holocaust, then what’s wrong with Nazism?

Having said that, Nazism isn’t coming back any more than Leninism or Stalinism or Maoism is. It’s a dead movement.

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Postby Moderator » 1 decade 6 years ago (Fri Feb 13, 2004 11:39 am)

Please keep your posts related to the so called 'holocaust'. I've deleted some recent posts in this thread which were off the subject. Sorry.

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Postby code yellow » 1 decade 6 years ago (Fri Feb 13, 2004 1:32 pm)

Moderator wrote:Please keep your posts related to the so called 'holocaust'. I've deleted some recent posts in this thread which were off the subject. Sorry.

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:) duly noted, Mr. Moderator. This thread is ended.

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Postby Moderator » 1 decade 6 years ago (Fri Feb 13, 2004 2:32 pm)

duly noted, Mr. Moderator. This thread is ended

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