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Science Proves Only when It Suits

Postby borjastick » 5 years 7 months ago (Fri Jul 11, 2014 2:32 am)

Take a look at this story with its outrageously vibrant comments thread.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... light.html

The main point of the story in the London Daily Telegraph is that Buzz Aldrin claims he saw a UFO when on the moon landing trip. OK so far but in the comments section it instantly took a turn to conspiracy and revisionism. Many posters claimed the moon landings were faked. These were rebutted, often abusively and offensively, by several American posters who stuck to the science of it all to back their claims up.

It's a great read for an hour or two...

So my point it simple; When events in history are debatable stick to the science to make your point. Exactly as we do with the holocaust.

The science of holocaust investigation proves it didn't happen.

Fred Leuchter anyone?
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Re: Science Proves Only when It Suits

Postby Kingfisher » 5 years 7 months ago (Fri Jul 11, 2014 5:42 am)

Leuchter is an easy target for the opposition. He was an expert in his field, by experience, but he had a degree in English, I think, and wasn't qualified as an engineer. His work was done clandestinely so it wasn't possible to carry out proper control of the samples. However Rudolf did much more thorough investigations and validated the generality of Leuchter's work, while accepting there were some specific weaknesses.

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Re: Science Proves Only when It Suits

Postby borjastick » 5 years 7 months ago (Fri Jul 11, 2014 6:20 am)

As far as the opposition are concerned everything's an easy target which is why when we push the science and logic at them they quiver and shake. They don't have much science to back their claims up and yes you are right about Rudolf but I think Leuchter was a hero and opened up the whole game.

As for his academic status, frankly i don't give a shit. The attacks on his not being part of the academic establishment do them more harm than him. Clutching at straws. NIMBYism to deflate his position, but that's not the issue here at all.
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Re: Science Proves Only when It Suits

Postby ivam » 5 years 7 months ago (Fri Jul 11, 2014 9:56 am)

borjastick wrote:As far as the opposition are concerned everything's an easy target which is why when we push the science and logic at them they quiver and shake. They don't have much science to back their claims up and yes you are right about Rudolf but I think Leuchter was a hero and opened up the whole game.

As for his academic status, frankly i don't give a shit. The attacks on his not being part of the academic establishment do them more harm than him. Clutching at straws. NIMBYism to deflate his position, but that's not the issue here at all.



Exactly, the main reason they started attacking and discrediting his "expertise in the field" is because they find it diffult to attack his arguments. What would be the point to discredit the person if you can easily discredit his arguments? yet if you cant discredit an argument, discredit the person to make the argument invalid.

One does not need to study a subject thoroughly to be an expert at it. Expierience allways outweights theoretical academic knowledge.
for one, the fact that he had this position without actualy having a degree in it, makes him all the more credible, someone who doesnt know what hes doing wouldnt stand a chance keeping this position., while people with a degree sometimes get a job purely because of the degree, yet they lack practical skills.

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Re: Science Proves Only when It Suits

Postby hermod » 5 years 7 months ago (Fri Jul 11, 2014 10:17 am)

Kingfisher wrote:Leuchter is an easy target for the opposition. He was an expert in his field, by experience, but he had a degree in English, I think, and wasn't qualified as an engineer.


Leuchter is an easy target. It's true. As if a registration at the Board of Registration of Professional Engineers and Land Surveyors of Masachussetts ("the Board") was a high-grade diploma or even a guarantee to be a great engineer. Leuchter wasn't registered at that board. Holocaust believers make such a big deal of Leuchter's "non-registration" at "the Board" because they can't counter most of Leuchter's conclusions in the field of science. Very funny from people basing their faith on the debunked allegations of a pharmacian like Pressac and a political scientist like Hilberg. 95% of the engineers working in Masachussetts in the 1980's were not registered at "the Board" either and I've never heard that the houses, factories, bridges, etc. collapsed in that state because of that. In fact, many "professional engineers" registered at "the Board" could say that they have had a successful career if they had achieved half of what Leuchter had achieved before his career was ruined by his famous report and the subsequent talmudic defamation campaign against him.

Second, Leuchter's qualifications as a technical expert and inventor are actually quite impressive. His adversaries never tire of repeating that his only academic credential is a bachelor's degree in history, which he earned at Boston University in 1964. This has never been a secret. What is not so well known, though, is the full story of his expertise.

For one thing, Leuchter did post-graduate study in celestial navigation mechanics at the Harvard-Smithsonian Astrophysical Observatory in Cambridge, Massachusetts.

Since 1965, he has worked as an engineer on projects having to do with electrical, optical, mechanical, navigational and surveying problems. He holds patents in the fields of optics, navigation, encoding, geodetic surveying and surveying instrumentation, including patents on sextants, surveying instruments and optical instrument encoders.

From 1965 through 1970 he was the technical director for a firm in Boston, where he specialized in airborne, opto-electronic, and photographic surveillance equipment. He designed the first low-level, color, stereo-mapping system for use in a helicopter, which has become an airborne standard.

In 1970, he formed an independent consulting firm. During his period with this firm, he designed and built the first electronic sextant and developed a unique, light-weight, compact and inexpensive optical drum sector encoder for use with surveying and measuring instruments. He also built the first electronic sextant for the US Navy. He has worked on and designed astro trackers utilized in the on-board guidance systems of ICBM missiles.

Because of his work in navigational devices he has had hands-on experience with surveying and geodetic measuring equipment and a thorough knowledge of map-reading and cartography. He is trained in reading and interpreting aerial photographs. He designed a computerized transit for surveying use, and several years ago he developed the first low-cost personal telephone monitor.

During the past 14 years, Leuchter has been a consultant to several state governments on equipment used to execute convicted criminals, including hardware for execution by lethal injection, electrocution, gassing and hanging. In the course of this work, he designed a new gas chamber for the state of Missouri, and he designed and constructed the first lethal injection machine for New Jersey. Leuchter has also been a consultant on execution procedures. He has held a research medical license from both state and federal governments, and has supplied the necessary drugs for use in execution support programs.

In 1987, he formed Fred A. Leuchter Associates, a consulting engineering firm specializing in general consulting and the design and construction of prototype hardware. He has been a forensic engineer consultant, and has testified as an expert in courts in the United States and Canada.

(On a more personal note, Fred Leuchter is an accomplished pianist and musician, as well as a certified small arms instructor and NRA expert marksman.)

More to the point, Leuchter's expertise in precisely the field of execution hardware is a matter of public record, and has been authoritatively and publicly confirmed. Indeed, no one was better qualified to carry out his investigation. At that time, Leuchter was recognized as the foremost American expert on the design and fabrication of gas chambers and other hardware used to execute criminals in the United States. He has worked on and designed facilities used to kill condemned criminals with hydrogen cyanide gas, the same gas supposedly used to kill many hundreds of thousands of Jews at Auschwitz.

Leuchter's expertise as the nation's foremost specialist of execution hardware, including gas chambers, has been abundantly confirmed. William Armontrout, warden of the Missouri State Penitentiary, testified on this matter during the 1988 "Holocaust Trial" of Ernst Zündel. As warden, Armontrout supervised the state's execution gas chamber. He testified under oath that he had consulted with Leuchter on the design, maintenance and operation of the Missouri gas chamber, and confirmed that, to the best of his knowledge, Leuchter is the only such consultant in the United States.

Leuchter's expertise has also been recognized by prominent periodicals, including The Atlantic in a four-page article in its February 1990 issue. An article in the weekly national news magazine Insight of July 2, 1990, called Leuchter, "the nation's leading expert in the mechanics of execution." Finally, Leuchter's expertise was acknowledged on the ABC television news program "Prime Time Live," broadcast on May 10th, 1990, and by The New York Times in a prominently featured article in its issue of October 13, 1990, which was accompanied by a front-page photo of Leuchter.

No matter what the long-term outcome of the still unfolding Leuchter affair may be, the indisputable fact will remain, that on the basis of a careful on-site inspection, the man who is America's acknowledged foremost expert on gas chamber technology has categorically declared under oath that the alleged mass extermination gas chambers were never used, and never could have been used, as execution devices.

http://codoh.com/library/document/2385/


When Holocaust believers tell me that Leuchter is an incompetent engineer, I like asking them if U.S. states often task incompetent engineers with designing and building execution devices for their own penitentiaries (what would be a very risky game for U.S. states, as corporal punishments are forbidden by the Constitution and painful executions could be regarded as a form of corporal punishment) and if U.S. courts often request expert opinions about executions from incompetent engineers. I also like asking them what kind of people needs to attack Leuchter's reputation, and not his report. I've never heard Holocaust revisionists attack Pressac's reputation and blame him for being a pharmacian. Between Mr Death and Mr Aspirin, who was the more competent expert to deal with homicidal gas chambers after all?

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Re: Science Proves Only when It Suits

Postby Hektor » 5 years 7 months ago (Fri Jul 11, 2014 11:19 am)

hermod wrote:
Kingfisher wrote:Leuchter is an easy target for the opposition. He was an expert in his field, by experience, but he had a degree in English, I think, and wasn't qualified as an engineer.


Leuchter is an easy target. It's true. As if a registration at the Board of Registration of Professional Engineers and Land Surveyors of Masachussetts ("the Board") was a high-grade diploma or even a guarantee to be a great engineer. Leuchter wasn't registered at that board. Holocaust believers make such a big deal of Leuchter's "non-registration" at "the Board" because they can't counter most of Leuchter's conclusions in the field of science.....


Leuchter did however register some patents for items that he designed. Even, if you do not an engineering degree from MIT, that still shows some technical expertise and understanding. However that doesn't mean that there weren't weakness in some of his arguments he made. But when Holocaustians point that out, I feel like replying: "Look who's talking".

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Re: Science Proves Only when It Suits

Postby Hannover » 5 years 7 months ago (Fri Jul 11, 2014 12:55 pm)

Some excellent info. concerning Leuchter here:
NIZKOR attack on Leuchter

example:
http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v12/v12p445_Grubach.html
The Leuchter Report Vindicated:
A Response to J.-C. Pressac's Critique
Paul Grubach

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Re: Science Proves Only when It Suits

Postby Kingfisher » 5 years 7 months ago (Sat Jul 12, 2014 4:39 am)

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