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Eric Hunt's response to David Cole / Treblinka

Postby Moderator » 2 years 9 months ago (Mon Jul 28, 2014 9:09 pm)

I thought this response by Eric Hunt important enough to give it a separate thread. David Cole, formerly David Stein, took exception to some aspects of Eric's video about Treblinka. Eric originally posted the link to his response here:
David Cole on Treblinka

Read & see Eric's response to David Cole here:
http://holocausthoaxmuseum.com/response-to-david-cole/

I suggest a viewing of the video for context.
http://holocausthoaxmuseum.com/treblink ... logy-hoax/
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Re: Eric Hunt's response to David Cole / Treblinka

Postby Hannover » 2 years 9 months ago (Mon Jul 28, 2014 11:24 pm)

Eric Hunt does much more than 'respond' to David Cole, Hunt demolishes David Cole. A righteous whipping.

There are seemingly endless zingers from Hunt, but from a purely scientific, forensic approach, it's hard to beat this:
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"If the largest mark in this above LIDAR / Ground Penetrating Radar scan of Treblinka 2 is the “old gas chamber” structure…where are all the mass graves for the alleged 900,000 Jews buried, dug back up, and reburied?

And in fact there would by necessity have to be huge remnants of mass graves at a site claimed to have murdered 10 times the capacity of the 90,000 seat Los Angeles Colliseum.

Caroline Colls’ Ground Penetrating Radar scan actually proves “deniers” right. In the “extermination camp” quadrant of the camp (in the lower right below) there simply are no markings signifying massive mass graves which could possibly have held 900,000 bodies. Other than some smaller “pock marks”, in fact the ground looks remarkably mostly UNdisturbed.

The New York accented “Chief Rabbi of Poland” refuses the complete excavation and exhumation of Treblinka that would would definitively destroy “The Holocaust” myth forever or destroy “Holocaust Denial.”

The rabbi didn’t count on non-invasive LIDAR and GPR technology being able to see through the ground, exposing the Treblinka hoax."
And to pile it on, Hunt goes on to list major points in his video, The Treblinka Archaeology Hoax, that Cole did not even address. An absolute beat down of someone who at one time had the respect of those interested in real history.
see:
Response to David Cole Regarding Treblinka, By Eric Hunt
http://codoh.com/library/document/3930/
and:
The Treblinka Archaeology Hoax, By Eric Hunt
http://codoh.com/library/document/3286/

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Re: Eric Hunt's response to David Cole / Treblinka

Postby borjastick » 2 years 9 months ago (Tue Jul 29, 2014 1:22 am)

Agreed Hannover, it is a long and very detailed rebuttal of the issues David Cole has with the video and general disagreement with the Treblinka claims. A thoroughly good read.

There are many small points he raises which perhaps in the scheme of things might get brushed aside but which are bang on the money vis a vis the absurdity of the official story for the Treblinka 'death camp'. In particular I like the issue that the head of Polish Jewry, the odd American accented chappie, (surely a Zionist implanted gatekeeper) had with Sturdy-Colls claimed find of the gas chamber. Surely if she had found the gas chamber stopping the excavation would be the LAST thing to do! Digging around the gas chamber wouldn't break any of the flaky Jewish rules would it?

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Re: Eric Hunt's response to David Cole / Treblinka

Postby Sam Noss » 2 years 9 months ago (Thu Jul 31, 2014 12:38 pm)

Hello,

I have a question for Hr. Hunt.

Mr. Hunt, we learned in your response to Mr. Cole that:

an incredible, undeniable amount of physical evidence still exists a few feet below the current ground level of Treblinka 2.

and

an incredible amount of physical evidence still exists, yet is covered up by Zionist archaeologists and an investigation-impeding Jewish Chief Rabbi of Poland.

and

What “Treblinka was” can be proven from the physical evidence the Germans left

and

More importantly, the Germans did leave evidence of the number of dead at Treblinka Camp; they left several graves with a few hundred bodies in them and they left a small number of pits with partially cremated human remains in them.


But reading the National Association Of Forensic Historians website we learn:

WHAT PHYSICAL EVIDENCE? - Over the years, there have been no less than 4 major so-called “crime scene” investigations of Treblinka, and a number of major investigations of the other 3 camps as well - yet to date, it can still be categorically stated that archaeologists / forensic investigators have never located / proven the existence of even one mass grave at Belzec, Chelmno, Sobibor or Treblinka ( II ) that contains so-much-as - 1 / 1,000 of 1% - of the alleged buried bodies - NOT ONE!


I'm confused here.

So my question to you Mr. Hunt is:

At Treblinka ( II ) - it is known, with the utmost certainty that, as of - 6/1/14 - no more than and no less than __?__ extant graves have been located / proven to exist in which legitimate archaeologists / crime scene investigators have - via bona fide, verifiably honest and conclusively documented forensic science, literally - physically unearthed / tangibly located - scientifically verified human remains.

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Re: Eric Hunt's response to David Cole / Treblinka

Postby Eric Hunt » 2 years 9 months ago (Thu Jul 31, 2014 1:28 pm)

Dear Mr. Gerdes,

Thank you very much for all you've done throughout the years bringing attention to Treblinka and the "Reinhard" camps.

My wording was used to show that there are building foundations and other remains under the current ground-level at Treblinka which could be used as evidence to exonerate the Germans. The lack of ground movement is evidence it wasn't disturbed.

You say there's no evidence for the 900,000 Jewish dead in mass graves.

Mr. Kues answered those questions.

http://revblog.codoh.com/2012/01/comment-sturdy-colls/

Caroline Sturdy Colls also isn't finished with her hoaxing. The location of the exposed animal burial site I found between T2 and the gravel pit will for sure be a target of hers.

After all, there's no way to fit 900,000 people in the small confines of the already small "T2" camp boundaries.

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Re: Eric Hunt's response to David Cole / Treblinka

Postby Breker » 2 years 9 months ago (Thu Jul 31, 2014 2:18 pm)

Mr. Hunt, please give your source and reasoning for the statement below. Do you mean about 5,000? Certainly any number lower than 5,000 can mean "less than 5,000".
Although, they left the remains of less than 5,000 people.
Thank you, B.

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Re: Eric Hunt's response to David Cole / Treblinka

Postby carlo_ch » 2 years 9 months ago (Tue Aug 05, 2014 11:07 am)

Dear Eric,

concerning the Korherr report: In section V (The evacuation of the Jews), Korherr writes that "The above numbers do not include the inmates of ghettoes and concentration camps." Furthermore, in section VII (The Jews in the concentration camps), he writes that "Not included are the Jews accommodated in the concentration camps Auschwitz and Lublin within the scope of the evacuation action.".

So Korherr confirms that all of these camps served at least partly as "evacuation stations" (as corroborated by the Pohl memo of September 23, 1942 on Auschwitz, which you mention), and that Jews being evacuated, even if "accommodated" (!) in these camps, were not counted as inmates of concentration camps. In principle, this could be either because they were killed (exterminationist proposal), or because of their anticipated evacuation/deportation (revisionist proposal).

However, if we accept that there were no homocidal gassings at Auschwitz and Lublin-Majdanek, it follows from the above sentence in section VII of the Korherr report that "evacuation" cannot be a code word for "gassing/extermination", but was and is to be understood literally.

If we further assume that these evacuated Jews were indeed deported to ghettos on former Sowjet/Baltic territory, forced labor at or behind the Eastern front, swamps in Belarus (e.g. Pripyet), or agricultural colonies in Ukraine, this would also explain why in section X Korherr writes that ". . . the number of Jews in Europe . . ., partially due to the evacuations especially in the more strongly populated Eastern Territories, *which are here counted as off-going*, should have diminished by an estimated 4 million": the formerly Sovjet territories were presumably no more regarded as "Europe" by the Germans.

Finally, if we assume that sending Jews to forced labor at the Eastern front or to swamps in Belarus meant a death sentence for many of them (due to exhaustion etc.), this might also explain the ominous entries in the Goebbels diary of March 27 and December 12, 1942:

March 27: "Beginning with Lublin, the Jews in the General Government are now being evacuated (abgeschoben) eastward. The procedure is a pretty barbaric one and not to be described here more definitely. Not much will remain of the Jews. On the whole it can be said that about 60 percent of them will have to be liquidated (liquidiert) whereas only about 40 percent can be used for forced labor. The former Gauleiter of Vienna [Globocnik], who is to carry this measure through, is doing it with considerable circumspection and according to a method that does not attract too much attention. A judgment is being visited upon the Jews that, while barbaric, is fully deserved by them. The prophesy which the Führer made about them for having brought on a new World War is beginning to come true in a most terrible manner. One must not be sentimental in these matters."

December 12: "The atrocity propaganda concerning Poland and the Jewish Question is taking on abnormal forms on the other side. We will not, I fear, be finished with this thing in the long run by remaining silent. We already have to answer to some things, if we do not want to run the risk of becoming gradually discovered."

This is also in line with the case presented by Graf/Kues/Mattogno in their 2010 book "Sobibor: Holocaust propaganda and reality" (chapter 10):

"In his book The Second Babylonian Captivity 1064 Steffen Werner presents a large amount of circumstantial evidence for the deportation of Jews to White Ruthenia. Among them we have utterances by Hitler who justified himself in a small circle of close collaborators for having sent the Jews “into the mud.” . . . This hypothesis is supported by other sources. Gerhard Reitlinger says: “A letter from Rosenberg’s office, dated October 25 th [1942], shows that it was intended to select the able-bodied to work behind the Eastern front. Later, there were some rumours that Jews had been sent from Lodz to the land reclamation scheme in the Pripet Marshes and to the Jewish agricultural colonies near Krivoi Rog in the Ukraine” . . . That such reports were not merely “rumors” is borne out by a letter written on 21 June 1942 by Walter Föhl, who was Head of the Main Department with the Reich commissar for the Consolidation of German Ethnicity. The letter was addressed to an unknown member of the SS, a section of which reads: “Every day now, we have been receiving trains, each with 1,000 Jews from Europe, processing them and housing them in one way or another, and sending them on, right into the swamps of White Ruthenia towards the Arctic Ocean; that is where they will all find themselves when the war is over – if they survive (and the Jews from the Kurfürstendamm or from Vienna or Pressburg surely will not) – not without having built a few motorways. (But we should not talk about that.)”"

Graf/Kues/Mattogno further propose that those evacuated Jews who survived the war were probably deported by Stalin further East to Siberian camps, while the Sowjets claimed at Nuremberg that they were gassed by the Germans (in the camps controlled/destroyed by the Sowjets...). Graf/Kues/Mattogno even propose that the founders of Israel were aware of this scheme, but didn't object, as it served their own goals quite well.

This interpretation would also back the position expressed by Korherr himself in his 1977 letter to German magazine "Der Spiegel": "The statement that I had mentioned that over a million Jews had died in the camps of the Generalgouvernement and the Warthegau through special treatment is also inaccurate. I must protest against the word ‘died’ in this context. It was the very word ‘Sonderbehandlung’ [‘special treatment’] that led me to call the RSHA by phone and ask what this word meant. I was given the answer that these were Jews who were settled in the Lublin district.”


Last but not least, this proposal would also explain Himmler's infamous Posen speech of October 4/6 1943:

"I also want to mention a very difficult subject before you here, completely openly. It should be discussed amongst us, and yet, nevertheless, we will never speak about it in public. . . . I am talking about the "Jewish evacuation": the [Ausrottung] of the Jewish people. It is one of those things that is easily said. "The Jewish people is being [ausgerottet]," every Party member will tell you, "perfectly clear, it's part of our plans, we're [ausschalten] the Jews, [ausrotten] them, ha!, a small matter." . . . Most of you will know what it means when 100 bodies lie together, when there are 500, or when there are 1000. And to have seen this through, and -- with the exception of human weaknesses -- to have remained decent, has made us hard and is a page of glory never mentioned and never to be mentioned. . . . We have taken away the riches that they had, and I have given a strict order, which Obergruppenführer Pohl has carried out, we have delivered these riches completely to the Reich, to the State. We have taken nothing from them for ourselves. A few, who have offended against this, will be [judged] in accordance with an order, that I gave at the beginning: He who takes even one Mark of this is a dead man."

Based on the literal evacuation hypothesis, the SS did not shoot or gas these Jews, but deported them to Eastern ghettos, swamps or labor sites at the war front, and many of them died in the process (which was probably not unintended, this much has to be acknowledged). Note also Himmler's reference to Pohl, which perfectly matches with Pohl's above mentioned September 1942 memo on "Station 2 of Aktion Reinhardt" at Auschwitz.

In sum, the hypothesis of literal evacuation of Jews (to former Sovjet territories) seems to explain perfectly all of the existing evidence. To finally solve the Holocaust puzzle, a professional investigation of the ground at Treblinka, Sobibor and Belzec (invasive or non-invasive), as well as full access to the relevant Sovjet archives should be demanded publicly, e.g. by an open letter, signed by revisionists and other interested historians, to Russian president Vladimir Putin and copies, among others, to Russian RT and Iranian PressTV television as well as Israeli Haaretz newspaper.

Best regards,
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Re: Eric Hunt's response to David Cole / Treblinka

Postby carlo_ch » 2 years 9 months ago (Tue Aug 05, 2014 11:09 am)

Let me repeat my conclusion in a seperate post:

"In sum, the hypothesis of literal evacuation of Jews (to former Sovjet territories) seems to explain perfectly all of the existing evidence. To finally solve the Holocaust puzzle, a professional investigation of the ground at Treblinka, Sobibor and Belzec (invasive or non-invasive), as well as full access to the relevant Sovjet archives should be demanded publicly, e.g. by an open letter, signed by revisionists and other interested historians, to Russian president Vladimir Putin and copies, among others, to Russian RT and Iranian PressTV television as well as Israeli Haaretz newspaper."

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Re: Eric Hunt's response to David Cole / Treblinka

Postby borjastick » 2 years 9 months ago (Tue Aug 05, 2014 12:36 pm)

TO BIROBIDJAN!
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Re: Eric Hunt's response to David Cole / Treblinka

Postby Hannover » 2 years 9 months ago (Tue Aug 05, 2014 5:39 pm)

carlo_ch wrote:In sum, the hypothesis of literal evacuation of Jews (to former Sovjet territories) seems to explain perfectly all of the existing evidence. To finally solve the Holocaust puzzle, a professional investigation of the ground at Treblinka, Sobibor and Belzec (invasive or non-invasive), as well as full access to the relevant Sovjet archives should be demanded publicly, e.g. by an open letter, signed by revisionists and other interested historians, to Russian president Vladimir Putin and copies, among others, to Russian RT and Iranian PressTV television as well as Israeli Haaretz newspaper.

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I really see no "puzzle". There is not a single mass grave or document that can be shown which conforms to the claims made by exterminationists / Jewish supremacists. Revisionist have already done the work necessary to debunk the narrative, repeatedly. I believe there has been great strides in getting out the facts. Of course it's never as fast as desired, but the progress is real and continuing.

In spite of your optimism, and I could be wrong, but there is simply little chance that those who benefit from the storyline are going to permit an open letter to see the light of day, much less any actions based upon it. Those that sign such a letter would either be arrested, physically assaulted, threatened, persecuted, made unemployed, black listed, or all of those. Look at what happened when Iran asked for public discourse on the matter. The US & Israeli governments (the same really) have insisted upon and gotten economic sanctions against Iran and are trying to gin up a military attack. The non-existent Iranian nuclear weapons program is just a cover.

And welcome to the CODOH Forum, Carlo.

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Re: Eric Hunt's response to David Cole / Treblinka

Postby hermod » 2 years 9 months ago (Tue Aug 05, 2014 5:59 pm)

carlo_ch wrote:Let me repeat my conclusion in a seperate post:

"In sum, the hypothesis of literal evacuation of Jews (to former Sovjet territories) seems to explain perfectly all of the existing evidence. To finally solve the Holocaust puzzle, a professional investigation of the ground at Treblinka, Sobibor and Belzec (invasive or non-invasive), as well as full access to the relevant Sovjet archives should be demanded publicly, e.g. by an open letter, signed by revisionists and other interested historians, to Russian president Vladimir Putin and copies, among others, to Russian RT and Iranian PressTV television as well as Israeli Haaretz newspaper."


Great idea.

Any rejection of this request would show everybody who is afraid of the truth and who wants to expose it. Impossible for Holohoax promoters to claim they are real researchers and "Holocaust deniers" only deny evidence after that. Holohoax promoters should be exposed as what they are, i.e. the gurus of a new blind faith, by any means. Their real place is in temples, not in universities...
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Re: Eric Hunt's response to David Cole / Treblinka

Postby Hannover » 2 years 9 months ago (Tue Aug 05, 2014 7:07 pm)

hermod:
Any rejection of this request would show everybody who is afraid of the truth and who wants to expose it. Impossible for Holohoax promoters to claim they are real researchers and "Holocaust deniers" only deny evidence after that. Holohoax promoters should be exposed as what they are, i.e. the gurus of a new blind faith, by any means. Their real place is in temples, not in universities...
Good point.

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Re: Eric Hunt's response to David Cole / Treblinka

Postby carlo_ch » 2 years 9 months ago (Wed Aug 06, 2014 1:24 am)

@Hannover: In my view, the outstanding pieces of the "Holocaust puzzle" are primarily these two:

1) Where are all the official documents about "Aktion Reinhard(t)"? I would expect several official NS documents describing its purpose and planning (and its name) in detail. We currently only have a letter here (4024-PS from Globocnik to Himmler "on the economic aspects of Aktion Reinhardt"), a telegram there (Hoefle), a statistics report here (Korherr), and many open questions remain. It almost looks like these "indirect" documents slipped through censorship... Did the Sovjets perhaps not only destroy the camps, but also hide or destroy the official documents, to facilitate their claims at Nuremberg? Or were they destroyed by the Germans? Solution: Open all relevant Sovjet archives.

2) What happened to the Jews "processed" through the Reinhardt camps? How many of them died in the camps? What happened to the evacuated Jews during and after the war? Solution: Professional excavation (as at any other site of mass murder) and opening of all the relevant Sovjet archives (the archives of Jewish organizations of the time might also be of interest, by the way. Do we know what they discussed at their internal meetings at that time?). Neither the Krege pre-study (which was never published in a journal, to my knowledge), nor the work by Miss Sturdy-Colls (which wasn't published scientifically, either), have been scientifically convincing so far.

Without excavation and official (Sovjet and Jewish) documents, even the revisionist claim remains somewhat conjectural (which is of course the likely intention of the "traditionalists" and the "powers that be").

An open letter to Putin (and perhaps other leaders, e.g. Polish and Jewish) could and should be formulated totally neutrally: Holocaust (in the broad sense of the term) being a key historical event of the 20th century, much progress in historical research has been made, some crucial questions remain open, can only be solved by opening Sowjet archives and professional on-site investigation/excavation. Signatures may also be anonymous, as is the case even with many online petitions to the European Union etc. (most recent example being the open letter to the EU concerning the Human Brain Project: http://www.neurofuture.eu/ ).

Of course I'm well aware of the recent, not so positive developments in Russia concerning WWII and Holocaust historiography, and the role the Holocaust and the "war on fascism" plays in modern Russia. One also wonders why Putin has repeatedly reassured Jewish/Israeli leaders that he will continue to enforce the official Holocaust narrative (most recently in July at the Crimean Holocaust memorial ceremony: http://www.haaretz.com/jewish-world/jew ... m-1.605696 ) Is it perhaps because both Putin and the Jewish leaders know that Russia could (presumably) demolish the official narrative quite easily...?

Just ideas. At any rate many thanks to all of you for the superb revisionist work of the past years and decades, both in primary research and in dissemination. It facilitates the entry for newbies like me tremendously.

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Re: Eric Hunt's response to David Cole / Treblinka

Postby carlo_ch » 2 years 9 months ago (Wed Aug 06, 2014 1:57 am)

PS: My current conclusion concerning the process and term of "evacuation" is this: it probably wasn't a "codeword" for extermination, yet NS leaders were aware that many Jews would die in the process (due to exhaustion, malnutrition etc. while working at the front or in Belarussian swamps). To a certain extent, at least some of the NS leaders accepted or even intended this (some legal systems would probably describe this as "conditional intent / dolus eventualis / Eventualvorsatz", i.e. a "so what if they die" attitude. This is stronger than a negligent act, but weaker than a premediated act.)

This would explain why e.g. Goebbels (diary) and Himmler (Posen speech) basically equated "Evakuation" with "Ausrottung", even "Liquidation" (Goebbels). They justified this approach by "Hitler's prophecy" (that Jews would be punished if they start another world war, see his speech of January 30, 1939, as well as his testament) and by stating that "if we don't eliminate them, they would eliminate us (as partisans etc.)".

So in theory, "Evakuation" did not mean extermination, yet in practice it often did and for some perhaps even should mean a death sentence for many Jews, albeit not by murder (neither gas nor bullets).

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Re: Eric Hunt's response to David Cole / Treblinka

Postby borjastick » 2 years 9 months ago (Wed Aug 06, 2014 2:25 am)

Is it perhaps because both Putin and the Jewish leaders know that Russia could (presumably) demolish the official narrative quite easily...?


You make the assumption that any incriminating documents, telegrams and letters would have remained in the camps. Further that they would have been found by the Russians and still exist in a Moscow archive.

Damned if they do and damned if they don't.

The reality is the originals and file copies would have been in Berlin and were much more likely to have been found in the immediate post war weeks by any of the allies.

The reality is the 'proof' needed to frame the German was visual. Witness the propaganda films produced by the US Psych warfare teams showing human skin lampshades, tattooed skin etc. The films produced by the Russians at Auschwitz and the re-engineering of the visually powerful 'gas chambers' at Auschwitz and Dachau.

Finally I say TO BIROBIDJAN!

It seems to me they didn't really think it through properly, they forgot the detail. It's like the magic trick by any famous magician, the crowd is wowed by the image and visual audacity of it all. But then they say 'how did he do that?'. They want to know more.

Further the story of the gas chambers and the deliberate actions by the German hierarchy to exterminate all the jews, hadn't been quite decided on and perfected.

Look more recently and one can see the difficulty of paperwork produced after the event. Remember the so called proof that British MP George Galloway had an illegal relationship with the wonderful Saddam Hussein and had taken serious amounts of wonga in some sort of oil revenues. Papers were 'found' in the Hussein family palace.

The US jumped on him in spectacular fashion. It was a sham of course, he eviscerated several congressmen live on TV and is to this day one of the best Youtube clips ever.

The point I make is that with regard to the holocaust it was clearly decided that the best way of illustrating the evil crimes of mass murder was visual - they forgot the detail.
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