I had this post prepared for some time for another board (david icke forum), but since I have already joined this thread
, then i will post it here.
I do not agree with doubt about Vrba, and to base this doubt only on his testimony full of errors is wrong since according to this approach, you should doubt that even German guards were stationed in the camp including commander of the camp! We are dealing with propaganda story, hence so many errors, simple. Vrba´s/Rosenberg´s number is 44070 and you can check it on Auschwitz museum website.
Wooden mortuary - there were wooden mortuaries in the Auschwitz Birkenau, hence mortuary does not mean that one in crematoria and they made quite clear they are speaking about wooden mortuaries. From these wooden sheds corpses were transported to morgues of crematoria twice a day.
Hektor wrote:Which means that he should have known the basic layout of Krema II
If they really were there, why do they have so many details of their "insider knowledge" wrong. Especially the shape of the crematoria, which even Exterminationist must agree, described by them is wrong. I mean, wasn't that at the core of their report?
Note that both Wetzler and VRBA were in Auschwitz during and after construction, which means that they MUST have seen it.
They got it wrong since they were only spreading propaganda story and they did not bother to check the facts, quite common in the case of such stories. An example can be found in another report quoted by Mattogno, this time from mid 1943 and we can already see a reference to 36 ovens (albeit assigned to all crematoria) like from Vrba/Wetzler. Mattogno comments it: (Case for Sanity, p. 317) "The reference to 36 ovens was the fruit of a gross invention by the members of the secret camp resistance which was repeated also in the so-called Vrba-Wetzler report. In fact, in this report nine triple-muffle ovens were ascribed to crematoria II and III as being placed around the chimney, instead of five triple-muffle ovens set up in a row. Because there actually were four crematoria at Birkenau, the Chybiński report mentions (4×9 =) 36 ovens with three muffles each (see chapter 15.3. and 16.1)."
What a coincidence? No, just a convergence of false propaganda number. There were several resistance groups, several versions of the story, not even final or polished and they no doubt knew the world will swallow practically everything without much criticism - it was a war, Germans were hated by all. As you can see, this worked perfectly, even now are people accepting even the most silly nonsenses without problem.
Vrba claims to have been moved to Birkenau on January 15, 1943.
Wetzler have been sent to Birkenau on April 13, 1942
but this is in disagreement with Wetzler himself who claims to have been moved to Birkenau on January 15, 1943.
And in this period, Krematorium II was practically "finished."
Hans wrote:Rudolf Vrba and Alfred Wetzler were according to their insider knowledge on the camp clearly prisoners of Auschwitz and the inaccuracies in their sketch of crematoria 2/3 reflects their limiting knowledge and memory on the operation of these specific facilities.
That´s false and Hans knows this very well. Vrba claims he or both of them prepared the sketch using information from Sonderkommando
and Filip Müller was one of his best sources.
Wetzler claims the sketch was prepared by some Soviet PoW named Wasyl.
And finally, Filip Müller claims to have been the one who handed the sketch to Wetzler.
reproduced in Müller´s book can be seen here and the difference is of course striking, so why did he allegedly handed to Wetzler that silly plan above?
Well, because Müller probably never saw that plan and wanted some fame or he didn´t care about it believing most of the people will not learn this. And as can be seen from the gif comparison below, he plagiarized his published plan from another book
together will errors like an entrance which never existed. He added stairs to morgue 2 in the middle instead to the side (Kraus/Kulka plan is based on older drawings in which the entrance did not exist yet so Muller needed to made it up, but in the wrong location, more here
) or he removed little crosses indicating drainage system and he left them in the morgue 1 claiming these crosses are alleged Zyklon B introduction "gas shafts"!
Three versions how the sketch had been made/delivered, take your pick. Hans is lying since this is no doubt known to him and his effort to make people believe that errors are result of bad memory or limited knowledge is rather pathetic than silly. Especially if one considers they were allegedly not able to remember at least number of ovens or their arrangement in a row instead of circle and all of this in the course of some 16 months in Birkenau!
Needless to say, that Hans is among those who used Müllers´s plan with errors as a support for the story about introduction holes, despite not even being in officially correct arrangement (zig zag pattern). Unfortunately for him, little crosses in the Müllers´s plan is only a plagiarized drainage system from Ota Kraus and Erich Kulka also marked by little crosses. And such shameless shysters like Filip "I was a Sonderkommando for three years" Müller are the source for so called holocaust.
Let me guess, their lies, plagiarism, poetic license and errors are result of "limited knowledge, limited memory and post traumatic syndrome" and similar popular vague excuses exterminationists usually claim when they defend their only "evidence".Notes
Carlo Mattogno, Auschwitz: Open Air Incinerations
, The Barnes Review, Washington, D.C., 2010, pp. 76ff.
Cross-examination of Rudolf Vrba by Doug Christie, The District Court of Toronto, Between: Her Majesty the Queen and Ernst Zündel. Before: The Honourable Judge H.R. Locke and a Jury, Vol. VI, January 7, 1985, p. 1247 online
Yisrael Gutman, Michael Berenbaum (eds.), Anatomy of the Auschwitz Death Camp
, Indiana University Press, Bloomington and Indianapolis, 1994, p. 553.
Alfréd Wetzler, Čo Dante Nevidel
, Pavel Zrínyi and Milanium M, 2009, p. 229. Written under pseudonym Jozef Lánik. He calls himself "Valér" and he calls Vrba "Karol". Among other things, Wetzler plagiarized Danuta Czech´s writings later published as "Kalendarium".
(note 2), p. 1480.
Rudolf Vrba with Alan Bestic,I Cannot Forgive
, expanded edition, Regen College Publishing 1997, p. 175.
Account of A. Wetzler, November 30, 1963. APMO, Oświadczenia (Dichiarazioni), t. 40, p. 36. (courtesy of Carlo Mattogno)
Filip Müller, Sonderbehandlung. Drei Jahre in den Krematorien und Gaskammern von Auschwitz
, Verlag Steinhausen, Munich 1979, p. 193. Filip Müller, Eyewitness Auschwitz: Three Years in the Gas Chambers
, 1979, published by Ivan R Dee, Inc , 1999, p. 121.
Filip Müller, Sonderbehandlung......[i]op. cit.
(note 8.), p. 287. There in an error, not Krematorium IV-V but II-III. One cross is covered by circled number 3. Especially in the English edition can be seen
that somebody didn´t know how to resolve this enigma hence one concrete pillar on the left was transformed into alleged hole to have four holes in the plan!
Ota Kraus, Erich Schön, Továrna na Smrt
, Čin, Praha, 1946. Plan is between pages 144 and 145. Their drainage system in morgue 2 is correct, but appears to be moved in morgue 1. You can check original plans with drainage system and crosses here