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Anyway, great post, Hannover.
friedrich braun wrote:Hilberg is NOT a historian by professional training but a sociologist.
Yeah, the 1985 version of his book says that he's a Professor of Political Science (and I just noticed that the Yale website also says that).
Is an online biography available? I have not found any so far. I know that he has visited the camps only once, for one day only. That was mentioned in the trial transcript.
Anyway, the guy is by no means an authority on the "holocaust." I have the shorter version of his book, and it doesn't present ANY "proof." Moreover, I believe he fails to take into account, while talking about the number of victims, the number of Jews who emigrated. I think I read something about that either on IHR or CODOH. And it's true. He doesn't subtract the emigration numbers from the total number, at least in the version I have.
Graf writes among other things:
Hilberg's book has 1.300 pages. He describes very detailed the discrimination and social exclusion of the jews in Germany and later in the occupied countries. Hilberg presents many documents to proof this.
Hilberg does not present any proof of an order (by Hitler or anyone else) to murder all jews. Only 15 pages are about the mass gassings. That means only 1 % of his book are about the item that makes the holocaust singular. And additionally: this is the only chapter where Hilberg does not present a single document or proof. Only testimonies.
The book of Graf is very recommendable.
Just like a proof that an order for extermination was given does not mean that the orders were necessarily carried out. So even if it were proven that there was an order, without proof that there was indeed extermination, it can't do much by itself. At least that is what logical proofs require anyway.. So unless the link between the given order and the carrying out of the order is established by proving that for example Jews were systematically exterminated, in gas chambers, etc., the order by itself does not prove that there was a holocaust. Does it?
And that fact is exactly what many many exterminationists try to hide. Their efforts to prove that there was an order would be pointless if they cannot prove that the orders were carried out. Intentions are one thing. Acts are another. Proving that there were plans of a holocaust is not enough to commemorate a holocaust, is it?
True Believers simply lose on both counts; there was no extermination order, there was no extermination. They can show no evidence for either.
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