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"Gas chamber" discovered at Sobibor

Postby Mulegino1 » 4 years 11 months ago (Wed Sep 17, 2014 6:29 pm)

http://www.jpost.com/Diaspora/Gas-chamb ... heologists Find Gas Chamber at

Sobibor Death Camp Dig Uncovers Well-Preserved Nazi Horror


[An arcaeological dig at Sobibor has uncovered the Nazi death camp’s gas chambers.
The excavations in Poland have been going on since 2007, and thousands of inmates’ personal items have been found at the site. They include rings, pendants, earrings, jewelry, perfume bottles, medicine cases and food utensils, Yad Vashem said Wednesday.
The water well used at Sobibor’s Camp 1, in which an uprising by inmates took place, also was discovered. The well also contained the personal items of Jewish inmates.
David Silberklang, senior historian at the International Institute for Holocaust Research and editor in chief of Yad Vashem Studies, called the discovery of the gas chambers “a very important finding in Holocaust research.”
“There were no survivors from among the Jews who worked in the area of the gas chambers. Therefore, these findings are all that is left of those murdered there, and they open a window onto the day-to-day suffering of these people,” he said in a statement.
“We will now be able to know more precisely what the process of murder was in the camp, and what the Jews went through until they were murdered. Additionally, finding the gas chambers and their capacity will enable us to estimate more precisely the number of people murdered in Sobibor.”
Archaeologist Yoram Haimi said the staff was “amazed at the size of the building and the well-preserved condition of the chamber walls.”
The Sobibor camp operated between April 1942 and October 1943, during which time some 250,000 Jews were murdered there. In the wake of the camp uprising on Oct. 14, 1943, the Germans decided to dismantle the camp, bulldozing it and leaving no signs that it was a former death camp.
Until now, researchers used survivor testimony for details about the camp.]

This one phrase is quite significant:

“We will now be able to know more precisely what the process of murder was in the camp, and what the Jews went through until they were murdered.”

Wait a minute! Don't we already know all about the Holocaust, since it is the most documented event in history? Don't we have completely trustworthy and reliable- even sacred- eyewitness accounts?!

And then there is this:

"Additionally, finding the gas chambers and their capacity will enable us to estimate more precisely the number of people murdered in Sobibor.”

So all we have to do is:

1. Assume any large building must be a gas chamber.

2.Measure the building, divide by 6 million, and that should give us a reliable estimate of the number of people murdered there.

No need to search for, identify and quantify human remains, like the Germans did at Katyn.

This just gets even more ridiculous. It would appear that I didn't copy the entire quote from the link. Supposedly, there was an inscription on the "gas chamber" in Hebrew: ""Hare at mekudeshet li" which is found on Jewish wedding rings, and translates: "By this ring you are consecrated to me", similar to the Christian, "With this ring, I thee wed." Probably the remains of a synagogue or a wedding chapel.

Of course the explanation will be that the Germans were so sadistic that they deliberately disguised the gas chamber as a wedding chapel, even going to the point of copying a part of the Jewish wedding liturgy. Personally, I can't imagine that the Germans would be that deviously clever, seeing as their other alleged euphemizing amounts to the rather prosaic "Showers" and the very obvious (and of course, fictional) "Road to Heaven".

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Re: "Gas chamber" discovered at Sobibor

Postby hermod » 4 years 11 months ago (Wed Sep 17, 2014 7:07 pm)

Mulegino1 wrote:David Silberklang, senior historian at the International Institute for Holocaust Research and editor in chief of Yad Vashem Studies, called the discovery of the gas chambers “a very important finding in Holocaust research.”
There were no survivors from among the Jews who worked in the area of the gas chambers. Therefore, these findings are all that is left of those murdered there, and they open a window onto the day-to-day suffering of these people,” he said in a statement.


OK. No 'eyewitnesses' claiming to have seen the alleged homicidal gas chambers at Sobibor (except, of course, alleged perpetrators trying to save their neck and get sentences as light as possible). Dully noted, Mr Silberklang. Thanks for the info. :roll:
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Re: "Gas chamber" discovered at Sobibor

Postby Don Worth » 4 years 11 months ago (Wed Sep 17, 2014 7:28 pm)

Mulegino1:

No need to search for, identify and quantify human remains, like the Germans did at Katyn.


Oh but they did search for and quantify human remains at Sobibor Mulegino1.

And this is what they found:


It is alleged in orthodox historiography that, during WW II - hundreds upon hundreds of thousands of people were buried in numerous “huge mass graves” at the four very small, precisely known locations of - Belzec, Chelmno, Sobibor and Treblinka II. (Yad Vashem alleges that over two million people died at these four sites.) However, despite all the deceptive allegations / insinuations to the contrary, the simple truth is; the largest of the - four - extant so-called “huge mass graves” ever located / proven to exist at these four sites - in which actual, verified human remains have literally / truly been physically unearthed / tangibly located by archaeologists / forensic investigators - by means of bona fide, verifiably honest and conclusively documented archaeology / forensic science, contains the remains of - only six bodies!

Note: All four of the so-called “huge mass graves” were excavated at Sobibor and contain a grand total of - ten - skeletons. It has also been admitted about at least one of the four “huge mass graves” that: “It is as yet unclear whether or not the grave dates to the period in which the camp operated.” In regard to the unsubstantiated claims of other “huge mass grave” discoveries; it should also be noted here that the fraudulently alleged “mound of ashes” monument at Sobibor has obviously been located / proven to exist - but it has yet to be proven that it currently contains so-much-as an iota of human remains. Furthermore, despite the unsubstantiated claims that legitimate geophysical investigations have been carried out at all four camps, including - two - separate ground penetrating radar surveys at Treblinka II; not one of the cash rewards offered by The N.A.F.H. for proving the existence / volume of the other alleged “huge mass graves” via GPR has ever been claimed - not one!


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Re: "Gas chamber" discovered at Sobibor

Postby Werd » 4 years 11 months ago (Wed Sep 17, 2014 7:33 pm)

OK. No 'eyewitnesses' claiming to have seen the alleged homicidal gas chambers at Sobibor (except, of course, alleged perpetrators trying to save their neck and get sentences as light as possible). Dully noted, Mr Silberklang. Thanks for the info.

These morons need to get their stories straight. From The Extermination Camps of Aktion Reinhardt.

10.2.8. Addendum: A Complementary Survey of the Sobibór Eyewitness Testimonies

10.2.8.1. Additional Absurdities from Moshe Bahir
10.2.8.2. Glaringly Different Descriptions of Individual Sobibór
Staff Members
10.2.8.3. The “Evolving” Testimonies of Thomas, Pechersky,
Biskubicz and Blatt
10.2.8.4. Hershl Cukiermann and His Rumor Mill

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Re: "Gas chamber" discovered at Sobibor

Postby Mulegino1 » 4 years 11 months ago (Wed Sep 17, 2014 7:49 pm)

Don Worth wrote:Mulegino1:

No need to search for, identify and quantify human remains, like the Germans did at Katyn.


Oh but they did search for and quantify human remains at Sobibor Mulegino1.

And this is what they found:


It is alleged in orthodox historiography that, during WW II - hundreds upon hundreds of thousands of people were buried in numerous “huge mass graves” at the four very small, precisely known locations of - Belzec, Chelmno, Sobibor and Treblinka II. (Yad Vashem alleges that over two million people died at these four sites.) However, despite all the deceptive allegations / insinuations to the contrary, the simple truth is; the largest of the - four - extant so-called “huge mass graves” ever located / proven to exist at these four sites - in which actual, verified human remains have literally / truly been physically unearthed / tangibly located by archaeologists / forensic investigators - by means of bona fide, verifiably honest and conclusively documented archaeology / forensic science, contains the remains of - only six bodies!

Note: All four of the so-called “huge mass graves” were excavated at Sobibor and contain a grand total of - ten - skeletons. It has also been admitted about at least one of the four “huge mass graves” that: “It is as yet unclear whether or not the grave dates to the period in which the camp operated.” In regard to the unsubstantiated claims of other “huge mass grave” discoveries; it should also be noted here that the fraudulently alleged “mound of ashes” monument at Sobibor has obviously been located / proven to exist - but it has yet to be proven that it currently contains so-much-as an iota of human remains. Furthermore, despite the unsubstantiated claims that legitimate geophysical investigations have been carried out at all four camps, including - two - separate ground penetrating radar surveys at Treblinka II; not one of the cash rewards offered by The N.A.F.H. for proving the existence / volume of the other alleged “huge mass graves” via GPR has ever been claimed - not one!


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Thanks for the correction.

But, since an explanation must be found, I would say that these skeletons were victims of Mengele's research experiments on the effect of burying people alive which he conducted while vacationing at Sobibor. Unfortunately, Mengele was called back to Auschwitz-Birkenau because Ilse Koch was in need of more skins for lampshades, and in his haste, simply forgot about the unfortunate human guinea pigs. :|

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Re: "Gas chamber" discovered at Sobibor

Postby hermod » 4 years 11 months ago (Wed Sep 17, 2014 8:09 pm)

Werd wrote:
OK. No 'eyewitnesses' claiming to have seen the alleged homicidal gas chambers at Sobibor (except, of course, alleged perpetrators trying to save their neck and get sentences as light as possible). Dully noted, Mr Silberklang. Thanks for the info.

These morons need to get their stories straight. From The Extermination Camps of Aktion Reinhardt.

10.2.8. Addendum: A Complementary Survey of the Sobibór Eyewitness Testimonies

10.2.8.1. Additional Absurdities from Moshe Bahir
10.2.8.2. Glaringly Different Descriptions of Individual Sobibór
Staff Members
10.2.8.3. The “Evolving” Testimonies of Thomas, Pechersky,
Biskubicz and Blatt
10.2.8.4. Hershl Cukiermann and His Rumor Mill


Doesn't this addendum refer only to eyewitnesses from non-homicidal parts of the camp and alleged perpetrators? Whatever, Silberklang's admisssion (no eyewitnesses to the Sobibor gassings) matters to us.
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Re: "Gas chamber" discovered at Sobibor

Postby Werd » 4 years 11 months ago (Wed Sep 17, 2014 9:38 pm)

10.2.8. Addendum: A Complementary Survey of the Sobibór
Eyewitness Testimonies

10.2.8.1. Additional Absurdities from Moshe Bahir

There are many downright absurdities to be found in the testimonies
left by former inmates of the Sobibór camp. Some of them became
known to us only after the publication of our study about Sobibór and
are well worth mentioning here for the light they shine on the credibility
of these witnesses. Ada Lichtman, for example, claimed that the SS
men in the camp used human skulls as balls in the camp’s bowling alley!
2614 One wonders: wouldn’t it have been extremely difficult for the
players to get a strike?
In this work of rebuttal as well as in our original study on Sobibór,
we have given numerous examples of the bizarre claims made by the
witness Moshe Ba(c)hir, alias Moses Szklarek. There are, however,
several more absurdities to add to his account. In an long, undated account
Bahir presents us with the following story:2615

“I can remember a transport of naked women who, holding their babies
in their arms, put up resistance at the entrance to the gas chambers. That
was already at the end of 1943 – a transport of women from Poland. They
did not believe in the lies which Oberscharführer Hermann Michel had told
them. The attacked the guards with their milk bottles, which they held in
their hands, and injured some officers. Panic broke out among the German
heroes and they called for the help of the Ukrainians, who overpowered the
naked women with great effort. Most of [the women] were killed already
before entering the gas chambers.”


Later in the account Bahir gives what appears to be another version
of the very same story, but here the nationality of the women has been
changed and the number of transports doubled:2616

“During the last months Jews from Poland, the Ukraine and Russia
were brought to the camp. […] The women from these transports showed
signs of resistance, even when they were already stark naked. I can remember
that some transports from Poland and the Ukraine resisted having their
hair cut and were driven with beatings and bullets into the gas chambers,
without them having had their hair cut. […] There were also two transports
of women from the Ukraine, who put up resistance, after they had already
undressed completely, with their babies in their hands, against the heroes
[Bahir’s sarcastic name for the SS guards], who were armed from head to
toe. [The women] grazed the faces and broke their milk bottles over the
heads of the German officers and their dastardly Ukrainian helpers. These
women were killed before they reached the gas chambers.”


Notwithstanding that the story in itself is hardly believable and
smells of regurgitated atrocity propaganda, the claimed origin and date
of the transport(s) does not fit with documented facts. To begin with, no
convoys from the Ukraine are known to have arrived in Sobibór. Likewise,
Jules Schelvis knows nothing of transports from Poland to Sobibór
during the last months of the camp’s operational period (August–
September 1943). On 18 September 1943 a convoy was sent to Sobibór
from Lida, which had previously been part of Poland, but according to
the testimony of an Organisation Todt engineer who accompanied the
transport, it consisted of both men and women.2617 There may also have
arrived a transport from the liquidated ghetto in Vilnius, which had also
previously been part of Poland, but this is only supported by a vague
second-hand rumor mentioned in the testimonies of Leon Feldhendler
and Arkadij Waispapier.2618


2615 Undated account by Moshe Bachir; NIOD archive 804, inventory 13, p. 36.
2616 Ibid., p. 43.
2617 J. Schelvis, Sobibor. A History of a Nazi Death Camp, op. cit., p. 219.
2618 Cf. ibid., p. 220.

It seems like that guy at Yad Vashem hasn't read as much of the holocaust literature as MGK have. Or he ignores it because as MGK point out, it is ridiculous.

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Re: "Gas chamber" discovered at Sobibor

Postby hermod » 4 years 11 months ago (Wed Sep 17, 2014 9:44 pm)

Werd wrote:It seems like that guy at Yad Vashem hasn't read as much of the holocaust literature as MGK have. Or he ignores it because as MGK point out, it is ridiculous.


I can understand Mr Silberklang. Would you use "skull bowling" stories and other laughable tales of that kind?
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Postby Werd » 4 years 11 months ago (Wed Sep 17, 2014 9:47 pm)

MGK found additional testimonies about alleged gas chambers at Sobibor, after they had published their book on Sobibor. Here is a googletranslation from Italian blog olodogma with the relevant clip.



English translation courtsey of google of olodogma.


0707 - "Action Reinhardt" l '"evolution" of the testimony of Thomas, Pechersky, Biskubicz and Blatt

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L '"evolution" of the testimony of Thomas, Pechersky, Biskubicz and Blatt

(The following excerpt is taken from Mattogno, KUES, GRAF ∙ The "extermination camps" of '"Action Reinhardt")

In Sobibor, we wrote that Stanisław Szmajzner, to our knowledge, is the only witness to have said that for the alleged mass killings at the camp was used Zyklon B 3054. Here we must correct this statement, because there are in fact two other witnesses who disinfestante identify this as a weapon of the crime. The first is Yehuda Lerner, who in 1959 made ​​the following statement:

"The SS Getzinger was the head of the gas chambers and the one who threw the gas Zyklon to kill people. After half an hour there was no trace of all prisoners of war Judeo-Russian nor the other Jews from the Minsk ghetto, they were all gassed. Getzinger A few months later the SS, who had gassed the Jews, it happened something special. He worked with two assistants Ukrainians. Because now the Russian front approached gradually to Poland, the two Ukrainians decided to go to the partisans. Getzinger he used to bully with the Ukrainians and now they wanted to take revenge on him. One day they threw a grenade between the containers and the gas Zyklon when Getzinger went to get more gas for the gas chambers, the grenade exploded and tore Getzinger »3055.

The story is obviously fake, and not only for the mention of 'Zyklon', but also because the history is completely busted. The trains from Minsk to Sobibor, one of which included the same Lerner 3056, all came in the second half of September, 1943, when - as is known - the revolt of prisoners took place on October 14, 1943. Accidental Death of Anton took a few Getzinger weeks before the uprising; Gomerski according to Hubert, who was present on that occasion, Getzinger was trying to reset the pointing of a gun using two grenades Soviet ammunition warehouse in Camp IV (the "Nordlager") when one of them exploded, killing him instantly 3057. Therefore, the period of time between the alleged gassing of the convoy of Minsk described by Lerner and the death of Getzinger could be at more than two weeks, not "a few months". It is symptomatic that Lerner asserted in the witness who was at the camp for six weeks 3058, while stating that the revolt took place on 14 ottobre3059 - why would arrive at the camp around September 1, 1943, more than two weeks before the arrival of the first convoy of Minsk. Lerner confirmed that he was at the camp for six weeks when they testified in April 1960 3060.

The story of Getzinger and cans of Zyklon is not the only patently false statement made ​​by Lerner in his story of 1959:

"I saw that transports arrived from Belgium, the Netherlands and Latvia. A few weeks before our revolt came a carriage with women and children from Riga »3061.

Although we can admit that Lerner might have been mistaken about the origin of the alleged transport from Riga at the end of September 1943 from Vilnius, there was no actual shipping about Lerner which could have been mistaken that it seriously that they come from Belgium or Holland. No convoy of Belgian Jews never came to Sobibor and 'Dutch last transport departed July 20, 1943.

The second witness to mention Zyklon is a Slovak Jew Kurt Thomas (born Kurt Ticho), who arrived in Sobibor at the beginning of November 1942 from the ghetto of Piaski 3062. Testimony in a letter to the World Jewish Congress in December 1961 Thomas wrote:

"At the cashier's box were delivered last valuables, wedding rings, watches etc.. and from there the victims were driven into the gas chamber, which then taps insufflavano the gas in the chamber. Dai taps instead of water coming out the deadly gas called then, if memory serves me correctly, Cyklon »3063.

According to Kurt Thomas, the building with the alleged gas chamber was designated as the "Staatliche Seuchenbekampfungsstelle" (State Centre of pest control) and carried a sign that said "Bad" (bath) 3064. Clearly, Thomas, in contrast with the evidence that Erich Bauer had presented as the "Gasmeister" controller "engine gassing" at the beginning is not connected this man with the alleged mass gassings. In a letter of 1949 concerning the staff members of Sobibor, Thomas mentions a "Rudolf [sic] Bauer-I think it was a mechanic of cars» 3065. The fact that Thomas believed at least until 1961 that the Zyklon was used as an agent killing can only mean that at the time he did not identify the exhaust gas of an engine as the killing agent. Nevertheless, in May 1963, in response to a specific question (but not cited) by the Chief Prosecutor of Dortmunf, Thomas said:

"I do not know who operated the gassing engine, since it was located in Camp III, where I never was
" 3066.

Therefore, on the basis of a simple request for information by the magistrate, Thomas came late to adapt its witness to the official version of the exhaust gases of an engine.

As we noted in our study of Sobibor, the witness Alexander Pechersky wrote a story in 1946 on the field, according to which the "bathroom," the victims were killed with an 'a black substance, heavy "coming out" in spirals from holes drilled in the Ceiling »3067. This description of the method of killing was allegedly provided to Pechersky by another inmate.

What matters here is not the first origin of this description, but the fact that Pechersky does not refer to any other agent of murder in this story. When he was questioned in Kiev on August 11, 1961, however, Pechersky had changed his statement about what he allegedly heard by his informant about the killings:

"The extermination of human beings was implemented in the third zone of the field. As I was told, people were conducted in special chambers, these chambers were then closed and people were poisoned with gas. This I was told by people who were in Sabibur [sic] by a period longer than me. In particular, a friend of mine, a Polish Jew named Boruch who then took part in the revolt triggered by us to the camp, he told me what he had learned from a guard, namely, that the people who came to the camp and were taken to the third zone, it does not never returned," 3068.

He continues his description of the gas chambers as follows:

"From the second area of the field completely stripped the people were brought into the third area, which was equipped with special rooms in which they were installed water pipes and even small sinks, apparently to wash. But all this was just a hoax, because as soon as people had entered the room, the door was closed and the gas was introduced into the room, suffocating the people »3069.

What was then the source of this toxic gas? Later in the same testimony Pechersky tells the following story:

"Besides, one day following occurred: while we were working on the fourth area of the field, a German came to us, we lined up and asked us if any of us had an electric welder. None of our group came forward, but the German found a soldering iron to another team working and sent it along with the other three or five employees in the third zone, where he had to perform some repairs. Camp in the rumor spread that killing the engine broke down. Since no one saw her again after that these people had gone in the third section of the field, then we considered that they had been exterminated also »3070.

So fifteen years later, the "black substance, heavy" had inespicabilmente but also suitably transformed in the exhaust gas of an engine! Now, if the rumors of the field said that people sent in Camp III were killed by means of a motor, because Pechersky not mentioned it in 1946, but instead told the ridiculous story of the "black substance, heavy"?

Another example of a statement of a witness which evolved to fit the official version of events can be found in the already discussed Jakub Biskubicz. Since his claim to Eichmann trial - that he had seen the building of the gas chambers equipped with a floor opening for entering case in Camp III - was clearly too unbelievable, during his testimony before the Court of Hagen in 1965 thought it wise change the mode of your comment:

"I could see the gas chamber from above the field II; its roof shone like metal. From the woods I could see the graves. I worked not far from Camp III. For fear I did not see much in [Camp III]. From the gas chamber could hear the noise of the engines. You could also clearly see the fire, "
3071.

This version of "bird's eye" of course also allowed the witness to leave the story appropriately opened the floor of the gas chamber.

Thomas "Toivi" Blatt, who was the key witness in the recent trial of John Demjanjuk in Monaco, is another former prisoner of Sobibor, which amended certain parts of his testimony. In 1949 he made ​​the following statement:

"In 1943, the Germans widened the gas chamber. From our camp we could see a Gestapo man who walked up and down the glass ceiling of the room, looking inside,"
3072.

Blatt had personally observed this curious activity - described in several other previous testimony on Sobibor - it is clear from his statements to process these Hagen:

"I did not see the gas chamber because he was surrounded by a fence; if they could see from above a quarter [zu quarter konnte man sehen sie von oben]. Were often seen Frenzel, Gomerski and other SS move on the roof and look down. There had to be a window there. You could also see the fire, " 3073.

Later in his testimony before the court Blatt repeated quet'affermazione:

"Once or twice I saw the SS on the roof looking down. Therefore there [ie, on the roof of gas chamber] there must be a window, "
3074.

In a video interview of 1984, Blatt mentioned yet, the SS on the roof of the gas chamber:

"The place where people were gassed and burned was fenced, so you could not see inside. We heard screams and saw the SS Bauer on the roof of the gas chamber. We knew exactly what was happening there, " 3075.

In what must be considered the definitive and best-known story of Blatt concerning his stay at the camp, the memories From the ashes of Sobibor, published in 1997 3076, the observation of the men on the roof is completely omitted. The obvious reason is of course the fact that it is inconsistent with the description of the gas chambers of Sobibor who has received official sanction, which does not allow an observation window is placed on the roof of the gas chamber.

The four examples presented above clearly demonstrate that the testimony of "eyewitnesses" on the Reinhardt camps evolved to adapt to the crucial points of the official version of events, by getting rid of various absurd and contradictory statements about how to run the alleged extermination.




3053 Testimony of Schlomo Alster, Tel Aviv, March 17, 1975; NIOD, stock 804, Schedule 13, p. 25.
3054 J. Graf, T. Kues, C. Mattogno, Sobibor. Holocaust Propaganda and Reality, op. cit., p. 30.
3055 Report of Yehuda (Leon) Lerner, Haifa, December 16, 1959; NIOD, stock 804, Schedule 17, p. 74.
3056 J. Schelvis Sobibor. A History of a Nazi Death Camp, op. cit., p. 220, 236.
3057 Idem, p. 255.
3058 Report of Yehuda (Leon) Lerner, Haifa, December 16, 1959; NIOD, stock 804, Schedule 17, p. 75.
3059 Idem, p. 76.
3060 Testimony of Yehuda Lerner, April 5, 1960; NIOD, stock 804, Schedule 17, p. 83.
3061 Report of Yehuda (Leon) Lerner, Haifa, December 16, 1959; NIOD, stock 804, Schedule 17, p. 5.
3062 J. Schelvis Sobibor. A History of a Nazi Death Camp, op. cit., p. 240.
3063 Letter from Kurt Thomas to the World Jewish Congress, December 3, 1961; NIOD, stock 804, Schedule 20, p. 67.
3064 NIOD, stock 804, Schedule 20, p. 66, 67, 95.
3065 Letter to Kurt Thomas' Oberstaatsanwalt (chief prosecutor) of Frankfurt am Main, April 20, 1949; NIOD, stock 804, Schedule 20, p. 61.
3066 Testimony of Kurt Thomas, Cleveland, May 21, 1963; NIOD, stock 804, Schedule 20, p. 88.
3067 J. Graf, T. Kues, C. Mattogno, Sobibor. Holocaust Propaganda and Reality, op. cit., p. 70. See also Chapter 10, paragraph 25.
3068 Minutes of interrogation of Alexander Pechersky in Kiev, August 11, 1961 (translation from Russian); 208 AR-Z 251/59 vol. XIII, p. In 2673.
3069 Ditto., P. In 2674.
3070 Idem, p. In 2676.
3071 Testimony of Jakub Biskubicz, Hagen, November 9, 1965; NIOD, stock 804, Schedule 13, p. 130.
3072 Report of Thomas Blatt, Łódź, June 13, 1949; NIOD, stock 804, Schedule 13, p. 151.
3073 Testimony of Thomas Blatt, Hagen, November 23, 1965; NIOD, stock 804, Schedule 13, p. 203.
3074 Testimony of Thomas Blatt, Hagen, November 29, 1965; NIOD, stock 804, Schedule 13, p. 235.

[b]Note Olodogma:
The song is taken from Mattogno, KUES, GRAF ∙ The "extermination camps" of '"Action Reinhardt," p. 822-3-4-5 of the printed edition in March 2014.

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Re: "Gas chamber" discovered at Sobibor

Postby Inquisitor » 4 years 11 months ago (Thu Sep 18, 2014 1:58 am)

Eight years(!) of excavation and they only now find this foundation?!?

And this claim:

thousands of inmates’ personal items have been found at the site. They include rings, pendants, earrings, jewelry, perfume bottles, medicine cases and food utensils...


Wow - that must be some haul of items! Rings, pendants, earrings, jewels (though aren't rings, pendants and earings jewels? :?: ) silverware and so on, from "thousands" of inmates? Where are all these items? Again, that must be a considerable amount of unearthed personal belongings. Where can we see them? Or more to the point, why haven't we seen them? They aren't claiming to have found a few items, or even a good number - but what must be several thousand pieces, if they came from "thousands" of inmates.

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Re: "Gas chamber" discovered at Sobibor

Postby hermod » 4 years 11 months ago (Thu Sep 18, 2014 5:05 am)

Inquisitor wrote:Eight years(!) of excavation and they only now find this foundation?!?

And this claim:

thousands of inmates’ personal items have been found at the site. They include rings, pendants, earrings, jewelry, perfume bottles, medicine cases and food utensils...


Wow - that must be some haul of items! Rings, pendants, earrings, jewels (though aren't rings, pendants and earings jewels? :?: ) silverware and so on, from "thousands" of inmates? Where are all these items? Again, that must be a considerable amount of unearthed personal belongings. Where can we see them? Or more to the point, why haven't we seen them? They aren't claiming to have found a few items, or even a good number - but what must be several thousand pieces, if they came from "thousands" of inmates.


What would thousands of items prove anyway? The Nuremberg document PS-4024 explained that the aims of Aktion Reinhardt was "the transfer of certain [...] Jewish populations" and "the seizure of hidden valuables and money [from those Jews]" (http://robertfaurisson.blogspot.be/2009 ... -1986.html).

I'd rather be interested in seeing pictures of the [alleged] gas chambers' walls. Haimi said he was "amazed at the well-preserved condition of the chamber walls". So why doesn't he show us pictures of that terrible place so that we can see what he's talking about?
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Re: "Gas chamber" discovered at Sobibor

Postby Inquisitor » 4 years 11 months ago (Thu Sep 18, 2014 7:16 am)

hermod wrote:
Inquisitor wrote:Eight years(!) of excavation and they only now find this foundation?!?

And this claim:

thousands of inmates’ personal items have been found at the site. They include rings, pendants, earrings, jewelry, perfume bottles, medicine cases and food utensils...


Wow - that must be some haul of items! Rings, pendants, earrings, jewels (though aren't rings, pendants and earings jewels? :?: ) silverware and so on, from "thousands" of inmates? Where are all these items? Again, that must be a considerable amount of unearthed personal belongings. Where can we see them? Or more to the point, why haven't we seen them? They aren't claiming to have found a few items, or even a good number - but what must be several thousand pieces, if they came from "thousands" of inmates.


What would thousands of items prove anyway? The Nuremberg document PS-4024 explained that the aims of Aktion Reinhardt was "the transfer of certain [...] Jewish populations" and "the seizure of hidden valuables and money [from those Jews]" (http://robertfaurisson.blogspot.be/2009 ... -1986.html).

I'd rather be interested in seeing pictures of the [alleged] gas chambers' walls. Haimi said he was "amazed at the well-preserved condition of the chamber walls". So why doesn't he show us pictures of that terrible place so that we can see what he's talking about?


Oh I agree totally! It is just that they have this nasty habit of telling us what they find...and that's it! Of course if they showed off a semi-trailer full of rings, hairpins and forks, it would only serve to prove that jewels and such things were indeed seized, as noted.(though why jewelry, unless it just happens to ALL be of the worthless costume variety would be discarded thus is certainly a mystery) Also, how they would actually prove from whence all these baubles and cutlery came after seven decades is another story as well.

In other words - it was merely the pattern of, "hey we found__________, hence, Holocaust," that I was pointing out.

I too would love to see those walls - as well as any tangible evidence whatever that this is anything other than an innocuous building that might have served any conceivable number of purposes, none of them homicidal!

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Re: "Gas chamber" discovered at Sobibor

Postby Hannover » 4 years 11 months ago (Thu Sep 18, 2014 10:33 am)

... the Germans decided to dismantle the camp, bulldozing it and leaving no signs that it was a former death camp.
And yet the Germans decided to leave behind an alleged "gas chamber". Right.

The liars can no longer manage their lies and the rationally minded are all over them.

The 'holocaust' storyline is one of the most easily debunked narratives ever contrived. That is why those who question it are arrested and persecuted. That is why violent, racist, & privileged Jewish supremacists demand censorship. Truth needs no protection from scrutiny.
The tide is turning.


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Re: "Gas chamber" discovered at Sobibor

Postby hermod » 4 years 11 months ago (Thu Sep 18, 2014 4:42 pm)

Here is what it looks like:
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The gas chambers at the Sobibor death camp in Poland (photo credit: Yoram Haimi)
http://www.timesofisrael.com/71-years-l ... unearthed/
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Re: "Gas chamber" discovered at Sobibor

Postby NLH » 4 years 11 months ago (Thu Sep 18, 2014 7:38 pm)

Comment on the story here: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... -camp.html

Only one comment so far. Bare in mind comments are moderated so be polite.
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