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Treblinka Firewood

Postby Mulegino1 » 5 years 5 months ago (Mon Oct 13, 2014 6:14 pm)

Here's another major logistical issue for the alleged massive, ongoing outdoor cremations at Treblinka (and which applies to the other Aktion Reinhardt camps as well):

As many excellent works by revisionists have pointed out, massive amounts of cured- and dry- firewood would have had to have been on hand at Treblinka II, in order to have carried out the alleged cremation of 700,000 plus bodies there.

In order to gather up the enormous amount of wood needed, the ever so technically proficient Germans would have had to have begun logging operations well in advance of the commencement of the cremations:

“Firewood typically will reach its driest state after about 9 months, or more importantly, one summer. The heat, wind, and lack of precipitation are what dry the wood. After a summer, the wood will reach a moisture content of about <20 %. Once it reaches this state, it doesn't matter if the wood is 9 months or 9 years, the wood won't get any drier. There are variables such as wood type, weather conditions, air flow etc., but typically a summer season is the most crucial factor. It should be noted that wood has to be cut AND split in order to dry in this period. Wood that is cut for 9 months and then split a week prior to being sold will not be dry. With this drying schedule, it becomes apparent how much time goes into producing good dry firewood.” http://www.lumberjax.com/faqpage.html

Another logistical problem would have involved keeping such massive amounts of already cured wood dry (provided there was no “German method” of instantaneously drying firewood with, for example a “pedal driven log drying machine” :lol: ).

Weather statistics for the region (combined statistics for Poznan and Lodz) for 1943 indicate that there were 167 days with rain or snow, 54 days with fog with an annual average humidity over 70% and an average yearly temperature around 45 degrees Fahrenheit.

Due to the weather, the camp would have needed a very large building exclusively for wood storage. The logical location of this would have been in some proximity to the burning site- close enough for quick transport, far enough away from the fires themselves to avoid the fire hazard. Is there any mention of such a building by the eyewitnesses or in any of the models of the camp?

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Re: Treblinka Firewood

Postby Dresden » 5 years 5 months ago (Mon Oct 13, 2014 8:01 pm)

Mulegino1 said:

"As many excellent works by revisionists have pointed out, massive amounts of cured- and dry- firewood would have had to have been on hand at Treblinka II, in order to have carried out the alleged cremation of 700,000 plus bodies there"

From theblackrabbitofinle:

"We should be able to see piles like these which I filmed at Sobibor in late 2012.
.....none of the AR witnesses or perpetrators mentioned log piles such as these about the camps, nor did any of them claim that a sufficient number of prisoners were forced to collect wood in the quantities needed. Hence why Roberto Muehlenkamp in the C&P Manifesto had no other option but to suggest that wood could have been delivered to the camps by train, a theory rightly exposed for the rubbish it is by Mattogno p.1269f"


Bear in mind that the wood you see in this video would be only a tiny fraction of that needed to cremate 700,000 bodies in Treblinka(Steve F)



Mulegino1 said:

"Due to the weather, the camp would have needed a very large building exclusively for wood storage.
Is there any mention of such a building by the eyewitnesses or in any of the models of the camp?"


According to Mattogno, on pg. 1269 0f "The 'Extermination Camps' of 'Action Reinhardt'", it takes, on average, about 100 kg of seasoned wood to cremate a corpse.
So, to cremate 700,000 corpses, it would take about 70,000,000 kg.

A building to keep that amount of wood dry, would be on the order of a Boeing 767 airplane hangar; or at least close to that size.
It would not have gone unnoticed or unmentioned.
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Re: Treblinka Firewood

Postby hermod » 5 years 5 months ago (Mon Oct 13, 2014 8:28 pm)

Mulegino1 wrote: In order to gather up the enormous amount of wood needed, the ever so technically proficient Germans would have had to have begun logging operations well in advance of the commencement of the cremations:


IMO, they would have built crematory facilities when establishing "pure extermination camps". Cremation in ovens is always more efficient than outdoor cremation because a lot of heat is lost in the latter. Building "pure extermination camps" without crematory ovens would have been like building a restaurant without ovens and other kinds of cooking devices, or an airport without takeoff runways. Stupid nonsense.

Anyway, assuming they would have done that in spite of what I've just said, nothing prevented them from bringing an armada of portable crematory ovens when they allegedly decided to incinerate their past victims for obliteration purposes at the Reinhardt camps. They had such devices.

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http://exposing-the-holocaust-hoax-arch ... -pows.html

The "would they" argument is as telling as the "could they" argument.

And Holohoax promoters can't constanly use pictures of crematory ovens in order to credit their myth AND also locate most of their narrative in places lacking such devices.
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Re: Treblinka Firewood

Postby Mulegino1 » 5 years 5 months ago (Mon Oct 13, 2014 8:47 pm)

Steve F wrote:Mulegino1 said:

"As many excellent works by revisionists have pointed out, massive amounts of cured- and dry- firewood would have had to have been on hand at Treblinka II, in order to have carried out the alleged cremation of 700,000 plus bodies there"

From theblackrabbitofinle:

"We should be able to see piles like these which I filmed at Sobibor in late 2012.
.....none of the AR witnesses or perpetrators mentioned log piles such as these about the camps, nor did any of them claim that a sufficient number of prisoners were forced to collect wood in the quantities needed. Hence why Roberto Muehlenkamp in the C&P Manifesto had no other option but to suggest that wood could have been delivered to the camps by train, a theory rightly exposed for the rubbish it is by Mattogno p.1269f"


Bear in mind that the wood you see in this video would be only a tiny fraction of that needed to cremate 700,000 bodies in Treblinka(Steve F)



Mulegino1 said:

"Due to the weather, the camp would have needed a very large building exclusively for wood storage.
Is there any mention of such a building by the eyewitnesses or in any of the models of the camp?"


According to Mattogno, on pg. 1269 0f "The 'Extermination Camps' of 'Action Reinhardt'", it takes, on average, about 100 kg of seasoned wood to cremate a corpse.
So, to cremate 700,000 corpses, it would take about 70,000,000 kg.

A building to keep that amount of wood dry, would be on the order of a Boeing 767 airplane hangar; or at least close to that size.
It would not have gone unnoticed or unmentioned.
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Re: Treblinka Firewood

Postby Mulegino1 » 5 years 5 months ago (Mon Oct 13, 2014 8:52 pm)

hermod wrote:
Mulegino1 wrote: In order to gather up the enormous amount of wood needed, the ever so technically proficient Germans would have had to have begun logging operations well in advance of the commencement of the cremations:


IMO, they would have built crematory facilities when establishing "pure extermination camps". Cremation in ovens is always more efficient than outdoor cremation because a lot of heat is lost in the latter. Building "pure extermination camps" without crematory ovens would have been like building a restaurant without ovens and other kinds of cooking devices, or an airport without takeoff runways. Stupid nonsense.

Anyway, assuming they would have done that in spite of what I've just said, nothing prevented them from bringing an armada of portable crematory ovens when they allegedly decided to incinerate their past victims for obliteration purposes at the Reinhardt camps. They had such devices.

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The "would they" argument is as telling as the "could they" argument.

And Holohoax promoters can't constanly use pictures of crematory ovens in order to credit their myth AND also locate most of their narrative in places lacking such devices.


Indeed. Cremation ovens would have made much more sense from a logistical standpoint.

It is clear to me that those who made up the stories of mass cremation pyres wanted to add a Dantesque effect to the legend. It would not do for the SS officers to dance, sing and drink in front of a simple crematory retort! :)

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Re: Treblinka Firewood

Postby hermod » 5 years 5 months ago (Mon Oct 13, 2014 9:12 pm)

Mulegino1 wrote:Indeed. Cremation ovens would have made much more sense from a logistical standpoint.

It is clear to me that those who made up the stories of mass cremation pyres wanted to add a Dantesque effect to the legend. It would not do for the SS officers to dance, sing and drink in front of a simple crematory retort! :)


Probably. The alleged Holocaust pyres look more like the altars of burnt offerings in the Jewish sacrificial practices (holocausts) than crematory ovens ("Holocaust" and Jewish religious beliefs/rituals).

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Jewish altar of burnt offerings (note the ramp leading to it)

That's also why the Germans allegedly called the station platforms in their 'death camps' "the ramps". That would have made no sense to call horizontal platforms "ramps"...except for anyone knowing the altar of burnt offerings thing.

Memorial ramp at Dachau: 93-year-old Oskar Groening on Trial for... "Bullsh*t"?
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Re: Treblinka Firewood

Postby Kingfisher » 5 years 5 months ago (Tue Oct 14, 2014 3:20 am)

Not even cremation ovens. These are designed for individual bodies where the ashes are to be kept. A purpose designed extermination camp would have use industrial scale incinerators.

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Re: Treblinka Firewood

Postby hermod » 5 years 5 months ago (Tue Oct 14, 2014 6:32 am)

Kingfisher wrote:Not even cremation ovens. These are designed for individual bodies where the ashes are to be kept. A purpose designed extermination camp would have use industrial scale incinerators.


Even better. You're right.

But outdoor pyres? What a joke ! Utter nonsense ! Blatant fraud !

The design of those outdoor, with piles of corpses above fire, was not even functional. Good for a barbecue. Inefficient and laughable for an alleged cremation pyre.

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And the pictures of the pyres at Dresden and Ohrdruf, often used by Holohoax promoters, can't save the nonsensical Reinhardt pyres. Dresden and Ohrdruf both had sanitary issues (typhus epidemics, etc.) at that time. The pyres at Dresden and Ohrdruf were sanitization pyres, not obliteration pyres. The aim of sanitization pyres was the production of safe or quite safe charred corpses for further burials, while the aim of obliteration pyres would of course have been the total destruction of corpses. The charred corpses of sanitization pyres would have been of no use to a commando responsible for making countless corpses disappear from the face of the earth.
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Re: Treblinka Firewood

Postby Mulegino1 » 5 years 2 months ago (Wed Feb 04, 2015 9:06 pm)

hermod wrote:
Kingfisher wrote:Not even cremation ovens. These are designed for individual bodies where the ashes are to be kept. A purpose designed extermination camp would have use industrial scale incinerators.


Even better. You're right.

But outdoor pyres? What a joke ! Utter nonsense ! Blatant fraud !

The design of those outdoor, with piles of corpses above fire, was not even functional. Good for a barbecue. Inefficient and laughable for an alleged cremation pyre.

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And the pictures of the pyres at Dresden and Ohrdruf, often used by Holohoax promoters, can't save the nonsensical Reinhardt pyres. Dresden and Ohrdruf both had sanitary issues (typhus epidemics, etc.) at that time. The pyres at Dresden and Ohrdruf were sanitization pyres, not obliteration pyres. The aim of sanitization pyres was the production of safe or quite safe charred corpses for further burials, while the aim of obliteration pyres would of course have been the total destruction of corpses. The charred corpses of sanitization pyres would have been of no use to a commando responsible for making countless corpses disappear from the face of the earth.


I was thinking about the steel railroad ties. Since we know- thanks to NIST and "Popular Mechanics"- that hydrocarbon based fires weaken structural steel to the point of "collapse initiation" :wink: wouldn't the steel railroad ties- under stress from the heat of the fires- weaken and buckle and bring those thousands of bodies allegedly piled on the pyre down and extinguish the fire?

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Re: Treblinka Firewood

Postby hermod » 5 years 2 months ago (Wed Feb 04, 2015 10:22 pm)

Mulegino1 wrote:I was thinking about the steel railroad ties. Since we know- thanks to NIST and "Popular Mechanics"- that hydrocarbon based fires weaken structural steel to the point of "collapse initiation" :wink: wouldn't the steel railroad ties- under stress from the heat of the fires- weaken and buckle and bring those thousands of bodies allegedly piled on the pyre down and extinguish the fire?


Yes, they would. Sherman's men were able to destroy railway tracks with less than that during the U.S. Civil War.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KMrUBFDYe0U#t=242


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bLx5vAnmzms

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