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Skeptics, Believers, Liars

Postby steve » 1 decade 6 years ago (Thu Dec 26, 2002 7:13 pm)

Ok, I will start a new thread, concerning belief, skepticism, etc. towards the so-called Holocaust.


Scott Wrote:

Taking a dogmatic view against Believers is only another form of belief, however. Skeptics always ask questions and seek to challenge even their own assumptions.


I completely disagree with this point. (In regard to the Hoax, that is.)

Also, with respect to the Big H, I do not like the word 'skeptic'.

Is it appropriate to use the word 'skeptic' when it comes to whether Elvis is alive or not? Or whether or not Big Foot exists? Or if some people were indeed abducted by aliens? Especially when no credible evidence exists?

Of course, initially, it is ok to have an attitude of non-dogmatic skepticism towards the H.
I'm sure most revisionists, if not all, fit this category. But, after a while, when you see just what type of gigantic, sloppy, crude, Lie the H is, it is no longer appropriate to be 'skeptical'. My attitude, for one, is that it (the Captial H) is a disgusting, cheap, shameless, swindle, which serves to further punish a great people. And, of course, there are many other fringe benefit$.

I don't simply not 'Believe'. After 4 years of being into this, I'm as certain as reasonably possible, that there were NO Gas Chambers, No 6e6, etc. Why? Because 1)No physical evidence 2)The people making the claims are KNOWN to have lied about MANY things. 3)Many of the claims are IMPOSSIBLE 4)There is great motive for perpetuating the Lie, 5,6, ...) etc.

If someone told me he could read my mind, I would be fairly certain he could not (for obvious reasons). But, I admit, it MAY be possible. Now, I would then simply tell him I was thinking of a number between 1 and 1 Trillion. If he could indeed read my mind, he could strongly support his claim by telling me the number. Right? Well, if he does not do so, for whatever reason, I would NOT be 'open-minded' if I afforded him any credibility whatsoever. On the other hand, I'd be dogmatically opposed to the idea that he was simply a charlatan.

I am NOT a Holocaust Skeptic. I am someone who, after being involved with the topic, have come to the conclusion that the H is simply a Lie. And an evil one at that.

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A Believer explains to me what he believes is true and why, and then I will explain what I believe is true and why I think so. And that should be the end of it. No need to get angry at each other, no need for calling each other names.


I disagree. For I feel that many of the so-called 'believers' are lying. Or, at best, are not being fair. After a while, it is simply not credible to buy into many of the H legends.

Let me make an example. If a "Holocaust Eyewitness' claimed he personally saw 100,000 people stuffed into a room the size of a normal bedroom, and an alleged believer said he believes the so-called witness, what can you make of that? There is no point in being polite to a person like that. As a minimum, don't even discuss things with him any more. Actually, I think a person like THAT should be booted off the board.
Some things are indeed worthy of doubt and discussion. Not everything.

Finally, the H is a serious topic. It has been used as an excuse to kill Pals, Germans, etc. Not to mention extort, thru guilt, Billions (Trillions) of bucks from gentiles. Any decent person SHOULD react with anger after a while.

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Postby Malle » 1 decade 6 years ago (Thu Dec 26, 2002 10:02 pm)

Steve,

I agree with you 100%. They are insulting our intelligence. I mean, if you go to school in US or Europe you learn your math. But when you try to apply arithmetic on the Holocaust, everything that you learned is down the drain.

An example:

In Sachenhausen they killed 840,000 Russian prisoners and they where cremated in 4 portable furnaces. (Ref: IMT VII page 586)

840,000 bodies x 1,5 hours = 1,260,000 hours / 24 hours = 52,200 days / 365 days = 143,8 years / 4 furnaces = 35,95 years if the Germans used it 24 hours per day.

Does this insult you? If not, you need help!!!

My history books tell me that WW II was between 1939 - 1945. Where are the other 30 years?

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Postby steve » 1 decade 6 years ago (Thu Dec 26, 2002 10:17 pm)

Malle, yes, I am insulted.

On the Codoh board, I posted a story about some Jew claiming he hung upside down underneath a raliroad car for 18 hours, all the while being pooped on.

A 'believer' responded by saying something like, "I don't find it unbelievable, ... people do many difficult things under stress, ...". Something like that.

Ok, hanging on underneath a moving train for 18 hours, all the while getting deficated on. And this guy does not dismiss this nonsense out of hand. It is obvious to me, for that guy, NO Hoax story is impossible.

Why treat a person like that with any respect. He obviously has none for us.

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Postby Malle » 1 decade 6 years ago (Thu Dec 26, 2002 11:00 pm)

Steve,

The man had rubber arms, don't you know the difference? :wink:


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