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polish investigating Judge 1945

Postby ivam » 5 years 1 week ago (Fri Nov 14, 2014 4:04 am)

Had this thrown at me yesterday:

"The remains of the people are there in the ground. In 1945 a Polish Investigating judge visited the site and reported:

In the northwestern section of the area, the surface is covered for about 2 hectares [20,000 square metres or over 200,000 square feet] by a mixture of ashes and sand. In this mixture, one finds countless human bones, often still covered with tissue remains, which are in a condition of decomposition. During the inspection, which I made with the assistance of an expert in forensic medicine, it was determined that the ashes are without any doubt of human origin (remains of cremated human bones). The examination of human skulls could discover no trace of wounding. At a distance of some 100 m, there is now an unpleasant odor of burning and decay."

My initial thought and response was that the polish judge in 1945 cant provide credible testimony due to partiality, as germany was a political enemy, and that there is no actual paper or documentation of his findings, hence he could have made everything up.

Have we got anything on this?

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Re: polish investigating Judge 1945

Postby borjastick » 5 years 1 week ago (Fri Nov 14, 2014 7:59 am)

The first thing to ascertain ivam is the location of these so called bodies and remains. Are there any precise details of where this judge went to be able to make this statement? If we can be certain of where he was we might be able to tie it down. It could be close to one of the camps but I have my doubts as this appears to have been forgotten or perhaps it didn't amount to much otherwise we would possibly have heard a lot more.
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Re: polish investigating Judge 1945

Postby Hannover » 5 years 1 week ago (Fri Nov 14, 2014 9:35 am)

Ivam:
Someone is talking vague nonsense.

- As borjastick said, where the hell is this alleged place?
- If "the remains of the people are there in the ground" then why can't they be shown?
- Why hasn't there been a verifiable excavation?
- Where are the photos of this claimed site? If true this would be a big time crime scene with huge promotional potential for the communists / Zionists. Photos are essential for any legit, actual forensic "examination".
- What outside observers were brought in to verify the claimed finds?
- Who was this communist "expert in forensic medicine"?
- Who was this "judge". It could well be communist Jan Sehn. If so, we have him cold.
More information would be helpful.

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Re: polish investigating Judge 1945

Postby hermod » 5 years 6 days ago (Fri Nov 14, 2014 12:28 pm)

That was Judge Lukaszkiewicz about Treblinka.

http://books.google.be/books?id=DDXFBAA ... 22&f=false

The remains of a few thousands of corpses don't contradict the revisionist interpretation about the Treblinka transit & labor camps.

The one-million-dollar question is: If the remains of 900,000 corpses had really been found at Treblinka, who can believe that Stalin wouldn't have ordered the exhibition of those remains after Hitler had exposed the remains of the Soviet leader's victims at Katyn and Vinnitsya? Was that a gift from Uncle Joe to Hitler? Was Stalin in fact a magnanimous leader without anybody aware of it?
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Re: polish investigating Judge 1945

Postby Hannover » 5 years 6 days ago (Fri Nov 14, 2014 1:10 pm)

Thanks hermod, that's him.

Frankly, I do not even believe they even found a "a few thousand corpses". If they had we would be seeing what I mentioned previously, namely copious photos of excavations and verifiable scientific forensic reports. We must ask why we do not.

from 'Dissecting the Holocaust', by Germar Rudolf via http://codoh.com/library/document/931/ we do read a very questionable and somewhat incoherent anecdotal account by communist Lukaszkiewicz which clearly lacks what I mentioned:
4.4. The Polish Forensic Investigations of November 1945

As already mentioned, from November 9 to 13, 1945, a group of experts assembled by the Polish state attorney's office conducted an inspection tour of Treblinka. What they found there was described in a report composed after the trip by a member of the group, Judge Z. Lukaszkiewicz, as follows:[118]

"Protocol of the work which has been performed on the grounds of the death camp Treblinka, which forms the object of the judicial examination.

From 9 to 13 November 1945 the examining magistrate of Siedlce, Z. Łukaszkiewicz, together with the State Attorney for the District Court of Siedlce, J. Maciejewski, performed the following tasks on the camp grounds:

9 November 1945

Excavations were begun on the grounds using the services of 20 workers who had been mustered by the community administration for duty as road laborers. The excavations began at the location described by the witness Rayzman, on 6 November, where the so-called 'camp hospital' had stood and where, according to the witness, a mass grave is supposed to exist. Since at the said location a 4 to 5-meter deep bomb crater is present – two bombs still lie at a slight distance from this crater – the digging was begun in this crater. In the course of this work numerous Polish, besides Russian, German, Austrian and Czech coins, as well as broken pieces of various kinds of containers were discovered. At the end of the work, at approximately 3 P.M., at a depth of 6 meters, we encountered a stratum which had not been previously uncovered. There were no human remains found.

10 November 1945

The work was continued, with 36 workers assigned who had been commandeered for road labor. At a depth of 6 meters a stratum begins which has never before been uncovered by anyone. It consists partly of all sorts of kitchen utensils and different kinds of household objects; there are pieces of clothing besides. At a depth of 7 meters, we reached the floor of the pit – a stratum of yellow sand which is not mixed with gravel. By means of expansion of the excavation we succeeded in determining the shape of the pit. It has sloping walls, and the bottom measures about 1.5 meters [sic!] Presumably, the pit has been excavated with a dredge. During the course of the excavations, numerous more or less badly damaged Polish documents were discovered, and further a badly damaged personal identity card of a German Jew, as well as several more coins: Polish, German, Russian, Belgian and even American. After we had made certain that this pit, filled with broken pieces of the containers mentioned, ran in a north-south direction on the grounds of the camp property – 2 meters more [in a northerly direction] had been excavated – the workers started work at this location.

11 November 1945

A series of test excavations were performed at the place where the [gas] chambers had to have been, in order to find their foundation walls if possible. Pits 10 – 15 meters in length and 1.5 meters deep were dug. Undisturbed strata of earth were revealed by this.

The crater produced by the explosions (numerous fragments attest to the fact that these explosions were set off by bombs), is, at maximum, 6 meters deep and has a diameter of about 25 meters – its walls give recognizable evidence of the presence of a large quantity of ashes as well as human remains – and was excavated farther in order to discover the depth of the pit in this part of the camp. Numerous human remains were found by these excavations, partially still in a state of decomposition. [...] The soil consists of ashes interspersed with sand, is of a dark gray color and granulous in form. During the excavations, the soil gave off an intense odor of burning and decay. At a depth of 7.5 meters the bottom was reached, which consisted of strata of unmixed sand. At this point the digging was stopped here.

13 November 1945

With the assistance of 30 workers employed for road work, the opening of a pit was begun – a site where refuse was deposited in the northeastern section of the camp. In this location, as the workers from the nearby hamlet had stated, a very large number of documents was found up till now. Work was begun at this location where the people [of that area] had dug a three-meter-deep pit in a search for gold. During the course of the digging, broken pieces of all sorts of kitchen containers as well as a large number of rags were continually found. Aside from the coins discovered so far, there were yet found Greek, Slovakian and French [coins], as well as documents in Hebrew and Polish, and remnants of a Soviet passport. At a depth of 5 meters, the work was stopped due to the steadily worsening weather conditions.

The Examining Magistrate The State Attorney

Łukaszkiewicz Maciejewski

Decision:

The Examining Magistrate of Siedlce, on 13 November 1945, in regard to the facts of the case, as is to be concluded from the witness testimony examined up till now and the results of the work carried out at the site and place, that with great probability, no mass graves are any longer to be found today on the grounds of the former camp, and with consideration of the oncoming autumn, the present rainfall and the necessity of a rapid conclusion to the judicial preliminary investigations, makes the decision, in view of all these facts, to stop the work on the territory of the former death camp Treblinka.

The Examining Magistrate

"Łukaszkiewicz"

The efforts of the commission to find evidence for the claimed enormous mass-murder in Treblinka had therefore proven themselves to be a complete failure. The experts had a spot excavated where, according to the witness Rayzman,, a mass grave had been located, but discovered no trace of such a thing. At a place where, according to witnesses, the two 'gas chambers' had stood, they found merely layers of undisturbed earth. All of the objects they found, as well as human remains, merely showed that there had been a camp in Treblinka and that bodies had been buried or cremated there, but nothing furnished even a trace of proof for any mass murder, to say nothing of one amounting to many hundreds of thousands of people!
This is obviously an admitted failure to find what was / is alleged at Treblinka with creative embellishments in an attempt to give at least partial validity to the tales about Treblinka. After all, this was a Polish communist judge.
Note that we have never been shown any of what was allegedly found, why?
And notice the telling claim of a 'bomb crater'. Treblinka was deserted by the Germans which meant there would have been nothing to bomb and I have never heard of Treblinka being bombed before the German evacuation. Having said all of that, it does really blow away the standard 'holocaust' storyline.

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Re: polish investigating Judge 1945

Postby Carto's Cutlass Supreme » 5 years 6 days ago (Fri Nov 14, 2014 1:40 pm)

As Hermod pointed out, Mattogno and Graf cover Lukaskiewicz extensively in their book.

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Re: polish investigating Judge 1945

Postby ivam » 5 years 6 days ago (Sat Nov 15, 2014 1:54 am)

brilliant, in any case even if he had legitimatly found 1000 corpses, this does not in the slightest proof the holocaust, if at all a small massgrave would promote death by disease rather than genocide.


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