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Re: Why Free Speech Doesn't Apply To Holocaust / French atta

Postby Meanjean » 4 years 7 months ago (Sun Jan 11, 2015 4:59 pm)

That's too bad; I guess "free" speech depends on what you have to lose, eh?
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Postby diaz52 » 4 years 7 months ago (Sun Jan 11, 2015 5:48 pm)

Werd wrote:The truth is ramzpaul has always been hip to the Zionists, but he has been hush hush about it on youtube. I can tell he used to read judicial-inc.biz and also the old anti Jewish libertyforum.org site. In August 2008 with the Russian Georgia War, he made a video pointing out historical deja vu. How when the Russians went into Ossetia to protect the ethnic Russians, it was a lot like Hitler was going into Poland to protect the ethnic Germans that we know were slaughtered by the communists. He took that video down. He was catching too much shit for it and I think he almost had his account suspended.


Yeah Ramzpaul knows the score and is smart enough to walk the fine line between speaking the truth and not saying things we're not supposed to say. This is a dance we're all familiar with here in the West. But he has fun with this dance and his videos are quite funny. For example his video called "Julia's Empowered Writing Seminar" (an easily deciphered code, lol) on the recent hysterical feminist rape allegations at an American University, since revealed to be a concocted fraud, cracked me up quite a bit. He talks about a student editor named 'Julia Horowitz' and he comments that "I think her name is Polish..." LOL... Anyways, if you haven't checked out the Ramzpaul youtube channel I suggest you do so, as its fun to watch his knowing rhetorical dance with a wink and a nod to whats really going on.
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Re: Why Free Speech Doesn't Apply To Holocaust / French atta

Postby Lysander_Spooner » 4 years 7 months ago (Mon Jan 12, 2015 10:45 am)

Kladderadatsch wrote:

lol, it's about time ramzpaul made his CODOH debut. Equal-opportunity offending, complete with pigs, Muslims, Anne Frank, Fabius-Gayssot, and lots of jabs at our reigning hypocrats. And some fine pronunciation of that there French talk!

Charlie He :lol: bdo!


(For anyone who hasn't seen the film, the stuff about "here piggy piggy" refers to the rape scene in "Deliverance." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pRxUbv90lLI NSFW.)


The first Ramzpaul video I saw was "Easy Bake Anne Frank", which someone posted on this forum a couple of years ago. I've been a fan of his ever since. He often refers to jews as "Finns." LOL.

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Re: Why Free Speech Doesn't Apply To Holocaust / French atta

Postby TheBlackRabbitofInlé » 4 years 7 months ago (Mon Jan 12, 2015 1:12 pm)

Ironically, there are calls for a BBC journalist to resign following his "antisemitic" remark at the free speech rally in Paris.

Calls for BBC reporter to resign after he told daughter of Holocaust survivors in Paris: 'Palestinians suffer hugely at Jewish hands as well'
Tim Willcox was covering yesterday's Paris rally for the BBC News channel

He spoke to participants during a live broadcast from the streets of Paris

One woman he spoke to expressed fears Jews were being persecuted

She told him 'the situation is going back to the days of the 1930s'

Willcox replied: 'Many critics though of Israel's policy would suggest that the Palestinians suffer hugely at Jewish hands as well'
Comments sparked anger and calls for him to resign

Willcox has apologised for offence caused by 'poorly phrased question'

Are you the woman from yesterday's broadcast, or do you know her? Call +44 2036151265 or email [email protected]




British historian Simon Sharma blows a fuse:

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Nazis tried to create super-soldiers, using steroids ... they sought to reanimate the dead—coffins of famous Germanic warriors were found hidden in a mine, with plans to bring them back to life at the war’s end.
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Re: Why Free Speech Doesn't Apply To Holocaust / French atta

Postby Hannover » 4 years 7 months ago (Mon Jan 12, 2015 1:49 pm)

Indeed, supremacist Jews realize that while they can spin this attack to hopefully deflect the current trend in opinion against Israel, they also see the current trumpeting of free speech as blowing up in their face.

In essence they want to maintain their cherished 'exceptions for Jews', the double standards which allows them get away with heinous crimes, past & present. This French event and it's resultant free speech clamor has effectively placed a bright light upon the odious Fabius-Gayssot Act and all laws against questioning the 'holocaust' storyline in general.

The name calling just isn't working anymore, it just doesn't have the effectiveness of the past.

Interesting take here: http://pauleisen.blogspot.com/2014/08/y ... itism.html
excerpt:
As usual, the protesters are saying that it's not anti-Semitism and, also as usual, the Jews are saying that it's not justified.

Both are lying.

It is anti-Semitism and it is justified.


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Postby Hannover » 4 years 7 months ago (Tue Jan 13, 2015 7:22 am)

This was simply predictable.
Netanyahu quickly jumps all over this for the benefit of Jewish supremacism ... while avoiding any discussion of their policies and criminal actions that bring about Muslim reactions. No doubt that Netanyahu will use this event to call for even more censorship of free speech about the 'holocaust' storyline?

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Israel moves quickly to exploit Paris attacks
Submitted by Ali Abunimah on Sun, 01/11/2015 - 19:24

After hesitations reportedly over cost and security, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu finally decided to attend the “solidarity” march in Paris on Sunday, ostensibly in support of “free expression” and other “Western values.”

The march had been called in the wake of the attacks in Paris last week in which two gunmen murdered twelve people at the offices of the magazine Charlie Hebdo, and a third murdered four people at a Jewish grocery store.

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Netanyahu on the left , "yet sanctions wholesale murder of civilians in Gaza."

Netanyahu evidently could not resist the publicity given that it is election season in Israel, and he would not want to risk being upstaged by political rivals who had announced their attendance, including such violent racists as foreign minister Avigdor Lieberman and economy minister Naftali Bennett.

(Update: Israeli media are reporting that Netanyahu gatecrashed the march, defying a request from French President François Hollande that he stay away –– more below.)

Many people circulated images like the one above of world leaders linking arms with Netanyahu, noting the perverse irony of a march for such things as “freedom” and against “terrorism” being led by such figures, including the man who ordered the bloodbath in Gaza last summer.

As people in the Gaza ghetto continue to die of cold as a direct consequence of the destruction and ongoing siege, one observer in Gaza, Dima Eleiwa, had a wry explanation for why the leaders embracing Netanyahu have kept silent about their ordeal:

While Netanyahu was certainly playing to a domestic audience, his presence in Paris is also part of Israel’s swift move to capitalize on the horror in France on a number of fronts: to attack the Palestinians, to sharpen the dangerous discourse of a “war of civilizations” and to speed up the population transfer of Jews from Europe.
Jews out of Europe?

As I’ve written previously, Israel has a long-term goal of transferring France’s half-million-strong Jewish population to Israel as part of its effort to counter the so-called “demographic threat” from Palestinians.

In this context, the horrifying anti-Semitic murders in the Jewish supermarket, like previous attacks on Jews, are a boon for Israeli officials “excited” by the resulting exodus of some Jews who fear remaining in France.

Netanyahu immediately seized on the attacks to press the message home, tweeting: “To all the Jews of France, all the Jews of Europe, Israel is not just the place in whose direction you pray, the state of Israel is your home.”

Israeli politician Yair Lapid upped the ante, declaring, “I don’t want to speak in terms of Holocaust, but … European Jewry must understand that there is just one place for Jews, and that is the State of Israel.”

Netanyahu, Israeli daily Haaretz reported, is setting up a “special ministerial committee” that “will convene next week to discuss steps to encourage immigration from France and from Europe in general.”

Understandable fear

The horror and fear that attacks like the ones in Paris and the 2012 murders at a Jewish school in Toulouse generate are real. Jewish communities in France understandably want to put their safety first.

But to leap from these – thankfully rare – attacks to the conclusion that all Jews must leave France and even Europe is not an obvious step. And it is a dangerous and drastic one.

When is it anti-Semitism?

Recall that immigrants and their European-born descendants from Muslim-majority countries are routinely accused by those who hate and fear them of “refusing to integrate” in Europe – this was an accusation leveled by German Chancellor Angela Merkel, among many others.

By the same token, those who say that Jews must leave Europe for their own safety are saying in effect that it is impossible for Jews to integrate and ever be safe in their home countries.

The idea that Jews are always alien and that hatred against them is eternal and immutable – as opposed to being created and conditioned by contemporary politics and racist discourses in which Israel, among others, participates – is a fundamentally anti-Semitic one.

If French President François Hollande said that France is not the home of the Jews and they should leave to their “real” home, people would correctly understand that as anti-Semitic.

But when Netanyahu makes the same declaration, it is called Zionism.

It is not just critics of Israel who understand – at least implicitly – the tacit alliance between anti-Semitism and Zionism – but many European Jews themselves.

Rabbi Menachem Margolin, the director of the European Jewish Association, described by Haaretz as “the largest advocate for the Jewish organizations and communities in Europe,” sharply criticized Netanyahu’s latest exhortations on Jews to abandon France.

Margolin said he regretted that “after every anti-Semitic attack in Europe, the Israeli government issues the same statements about the importance of aliyah [immigration to Israel], rather than employ every diplomatic and informational means at its disposal to strengthen the safety of Jewish life in Europe.”

(Update: An Israeli official source told Israel’s Channel 2 that the French had wanted Netanyahu to stay away from Paris precisely out of fear that, as Haaretz put it, the Israeli prime minister “would take advantage of the event for campaign purposes and make speeches, especially about the Jews of France. Such statements, the Elysée Palace feared, would hurt the demonstration of solidarity the French government was trying to promote as part of dealing with the terror attacks.” Netanyahu’s defiance, according to Haaretz, has deeply angered Hollande, who “got up from his seat and made an early exit” when Netanyahu rose to speak at a memorial ceremony at the Paris Grand Synagogue.)

Another future

Israel promotes a future in which the possibility of coexistence and transcending current political and politico-religious antagonisms is impossible, and in which Jews have no future in Europe. Instead it invites them to decamp to a region where, Israel insists, they will be surrounded by hostile and bloodthirsty Palestinians, other Arabs and Muslims.

Yet we did not have to peer into a crystal ball to see the alternative to Zionism’s dystopic future. It was tragically embodied in the words of the brother of Ahmed Merabet, the French police officer – a Muslim – slain by the Charlie Hebdo attackers.

“I am now telling all racists, Islamophobes and anti-Semites that one must not confuse extremists with Muslims,” an emotional Malek Merabet told a press conference on Saturday.

“Stop mixing things up, starting wars, burning mosques and synagogues.”

The alternative, then, is solidarity in the face of the racism and bigotry that are generated and perpetuated by the murderous global wars the leaders marching in Paris insist are necessary for our safety.

This solidarity was also embodied in the exemplary actions of Lassana Bathily, the Muslim immigrant worker from Mali, who saved lives at the Jewish supermarket.

Bathily has been hailed as a hero for leading customers in the Hyper Cacher Jewish supermarket to hide in a cold store where they were safe from the murderer.

Bathily’s religion and national origin ought not to have to be remarked upon, but in this moment where once again Muslims are being collectively blamed, his action was an important reminder that human solidarity can and does cross all artificial lines of division.
Smearing Palestinians

Sadly, Israel is unlikely to get the message. Its propaganda apparatus immediately went into action to tar Palestinians with the Paris attacks.

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The 'holocaust' storyline is one of the most easily debunked narratives ever contrived. That is why those who question it are arrested and persecuted. That is why violent, racist, & privileged Jewish supremacists demand censorship. What sort of Truth is it that crushes the freedom to seek the truth? Truth needs no protection from scrutiny.
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Re: Why Free Speech Doesn't Apply To Holocaust / French atta

Postby borjastick » 4 years 7 months ago (Tue Jan 13, 2015 10:50 am)

There is much to criticise here about Israel and of course Netanyahu, a gift of a man that never stops giving... However much of what i would like to say does not directly concern the holocaust so I'll bite my tongue.

Israel came into existence as a direct result of the holocaust, or should I say the claims of the holocaust. These claims are largely in tatters these days with more and more people waking up to the truth. That awareness is going to make life difficult for jews, israel and zionism. But the sad fact for Israel, despite what they claim, and what is so boringly repeated by Netanyahu, that Israel is the safest and best place for all Jews to be, is that Europe is by far the safest place for jews and indeed other religions. And let's face it would you really choose a sweaty, nasty little poke of a dusty desert over one of the world's greatest and most beautiful cities packed with culture and vibrancy?
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Re: Why Free Speech Doesn't Apply To Holocaust / French atta

Postby Breker » 4 years 7 months ago (Tue Jan 13, 2015 12:14 pm)

We see that Netanyahu is not welcoming the world into Israel, it's Jews Only.
Wide open door policies for immigration into European or European diaspora countries, closed & locked door policies for non-Jew immigration into Israel.
Please do take notice that routine attacks upon Christians by Israelis goes unspoken.
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Revisionists are just the messengers, the impossibility of the "Holocaust" narrative is the message.

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Postby Kladderadatsch » 4 years 7 months ago (Tue Jan 13, 2015 3:11 pm)

looooooooooooooooooool

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"Attack in Paris: Freedom of Expression in Danger" (source: https://www.facebook.com/15375778464736 ... =1&theater)

And while we've got Vincent and Robert together to pose for the artists, here's one from a year or so back:

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"Bac 2013: It's time for revisions [studying]! It's important to revise [study]!"

VR: Especially history!
RF: . . . and chemistry!

(One of the meanings of "revision" in French is studying for a test. Don't know the artist.)

All this and more in a great thread down in the French forum: phdnm @ Le Petit Révisionniste Illustré. It's worth a look even if you don't know any French, there's lots of stuff that won't need any translating for people here.

The new image above was posted today, and is part of a big collection on Alain Soral's site: http://www.egaliteetreconciliation.fr/L ... 30219.html.

Complete with:

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To which I can only add, "Oui, et . . .

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aussi."
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Postby Mulegino1 » 4 years 7 months ago (Tue Jan 13, 2015 8:57 pm)

Kladderadatsch wrote:looooooooooooooooooool

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"Attack in Paris: Freedom of Expression in Danger" (source: https://www.facebook.com/15375778464736 ... =1&theater)

And while we've got Vincent and Robert together to pose for the artists, here's one from a year or so back:

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"Bac 2013: It's time for revisions [studying]! It's important to revise [study]!"

VR: Especially history!
RF: . . . and chemistry!

(One of the meanings of "revision" in French is studying for a test. Don't know the artist.)

All this and more in a great thread down in the French forum: phdnm @ Le Petit Révisionniste Illustré. It's worth a look even if you don't know any French, there's lots of stuff that won't need any translating for people here.

The new image above was posted today, and is part of a big collection on Alain Soral's site: http://www.egaliteetreconciliation.fr/L ... 30219.html.

Complete with:

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To which I can only add, "Oui, et . . .

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aussi."


Great stuff! I've been posting messages like this "Je suis Vincent Reynouard", "Je suis Robert Faurisson" "Je suis Dieudonne" over the message boards at Infowars.

I have received a few votes up on them. Must be from Europeans, since most Americans probably think that Robert Faurisson is a fashion designer or that Dieudonne is a French perfume!

"Je suis Charlie!" in the land of the Gayssot Law is so Orwellian it would even have shocked Orwell himself.

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Re: Why Free Speech Doesn't Apply To Holocaust / French atta

Postby Hannover » 4 years 7 months ago (Tue Jan 13, 2015 9:47 pm)

This says it all about the absurdity of the Je Suis Charlie hypocrisy:

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https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2015 ... -cartoons/

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Postby Kingfisher » 4 years 7 months ago (Wed Jan 14, 2015 11:40 am)

Some of that famous Jewish humour. Push the Bibi: Labor's new video game, inspired by Netanyahu's Paris appearance


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Postby phdnm » 4 years 7 months ago (Wed Jan 14, 2015 1:07 pm)




Dear Michael,

I admire the quality of your questions, and thank you for the understanding that you show me. I am going through one of the most difficult periods of my life and, consequently, am unable to respond as I would like. I haven’t the time.


These killings in Paris – with 20 dead in all, amongst whom five Jews – rightly arouse widespread indignation but the Jewish organisations have immediately exploited this indignation for their benefit. They forget that, in large part, it’s been under the pressure of international and French Jewish organisations that France has hastily engaged in all sorts of military expeditions causing so many deaths in the Arab-Muslim world. They forget this country’s responsibility in the creation of the bogus State of Israel – soon afterwards arming it with nuclear weapons – and in the appalling fate of the Palestinian people since at least 1948; the presence of Netanyahu in Paris and his doings there were, in themselves, an affront to an entire part of the Arab-Muslim world. Those Jewish organisations live in anger and war; that being the case, how can they be surprised if their adversaries live in anger and war as well?


Such killings may bring to mind a number of murders committed by Jews who subsequently became “heroes” of Jewish history. On February 25, 1994 Baruch Goldstein, an Israeli army physician armed with an assault rifle, shot dead 24 Muslim worshipers and wounded 125 at the Cave of the Patriarchs in Hebron before being subdued and killed there himself. His nearby tomb is a pilgrimage site for many Jews.


The hysteria we are witnessing now in France, in this month of January 2015, has a precedent: that of May 1990 and the “Carpentras cemetery” affair. It was the exploitation of that event that made it possible to intimidate the French parliament into passing what is called “the Fabius-Gayssot Act” of July 13, 1990, punishing by a term of imprisonment of from one month to one year and a fine of up to 300,000 francs (now 45,000 euros), along with several other sanctions, those who dispute “the existence of crimes against humanity” (that is, essentially, crimes against Jews) as defined and punished in 1945-1946 by a body that the winners of the recent war had dared to name “International Military Tribunal” (three lies in three words) of Nuremberg. This law, totally contrary to the French constitution, came into effect by appearing in the Journal Officiel de la République Française of July 14, 1990, anniversary of the storming of the Bastille. It was thanks to a televised lie of the Socialist president of parliament, Jewish millionaire Laurent Fabius (his announcement to viewers that the corpse of a Jew in the Carpentras cemetery had been taken out of a grave and impaled through the rectum with a parasol pole), that the French had been outraged. The Catholic authorities rang the great bell of Notre-Dame in Paris. The President, Socialist François Mitterrand, led a march through the centre of the capital at the head of crowds of demonstrators. We have now, in 2015, seen the same scenario repeated in the same place, with Fabius in the front rank of “protesting” dignitaries, the Archbishop taking the initiative of ringing the cathedral’s bells, the Socialist President François Hollande marching through the streets.


Moreover, those Jewish organisations affect an attitude of desiring to come to the aid of freedom of opinion and expression but, in reality, what they are demanding is increased repression against “Holocaust denial”. Revisionism has made significant progress in recent years here in France, thanks especially to the Internet. Those groups therefore want censorship of the Internet, of Dieudonné (who has perhaps more than 80 legal proceedings pending against him), of the revisionists and of a number of other unbowed men and women.


For want of time, I shall allow myself just three remarks to finish: 1) the name Charlie-Hebdo has, apparently, nothing to do with Charles de Gaulle; it comes, I believe, from the Peanuts character Charlie Brown; 2) Gayssot is the surname of a former Communist MP and government minister, and the Fabius-Gayssot Act is sometimes called the “Faurisson Law” or “Lex Faurissoniana”; I have lost count of the times I’ve been ordered to pay fines or damages on the grounds of this law; other revisionists have been thrown into prison or, like Vincent Reynouard, a father of nine, will be returning to prison; for my part, I’ve settled for ten physical assaults – of which eight in France – and the actions of the French police, who have carried out numerous searches and seizures, or attempted seizures, at my house, and who have often REFUSED to protect me in the presence of danger; 3) I hope to be able, before long, to send you an English version of my nine-page article (with illustrations) of December 31, 2014 entitled:


In 70 years, no forensic study proving the existence and operation of the “Nazi gas chambers”!


I dedicated it to Professor Ben Zion Dinur (1884-1973), founder of Yad Vashem in 1953, forced to resign in 1959 for having preferred scientific History to Jewish Memory (http://robertfaurisson.blogspot.fr/2009/03/memoire-juive-contre-histoire-ou.html)


I thank you, dear Michael, and congratulate you on the work you have done over so many years, and in such difficult conditions, for the just cause of historical revisionism.


Robert Faurisson, January 13, 2015

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Re: Why Free Speech Doesn't Apply To Holocaust / French atta

Postby hermod » 4 years 7 months ago (Wed Jan 14, 2015 7:35 pm)

Humorist Dieudonné risking a penal sentence of 7 years in jail for writing on Facebook that he is Charlie...Coulibaly (referring to Amedy Coulibaly, the terrorist attacker at the Kosher hypermarket last week), what is regarded as "apologia for terrorism" in France.

http://videos.tf1.fr/jt-20h/2015/dieudo ... 47521.html
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Postby Kladderadatsch » 4 years 7 months ago (Wed Jan 14, 2015 7:38 pm)

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. . . aaaaaand now they've arrested Dieudo. Never let a good crisis go to waste, right?

Here it is from the horse's mouth of the Internet itself, the Daily Mail: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... orist.html

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But why?


Edit: lol, Hermod, you just beat me.
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