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Alleged Deutsch Schützen massacre

Postby Hektor » 4 years 7 months ago (Sun Jan 18, 2015 5:19 pm)

I came onto this by a coincidence, when I found this video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IAxsHjSoY04

The victims' remains were found in 1995 by the Israelitische Kultusgemeinde Wien.[2] In 2008, Viennese political science student Andreas Forster discovered the name of Adolf Storms in records of the incident. Forster's professor Walter Manoschek gathered evidence and conducted a videotaped interview with Storms.[3] In 2009, then 90-year-old Storms was indicted for his alleged involvement in the killings.[4]


Storms disputes any knowledge of this, while he admits having been at this place at the time of the alleged massacre. He participated voluntarily for 15 hours in the interviews with Walter Manoschek edited result is the video above.
Now I found that kind of interesting and wondered whether any remains were found and this is alleged in the wikipedia article.
I am now searching for evidence for this, but it's as usual quite meager.

Here is commentary on that video in English:
Walter Manoschek, 'If that's so then I'm a Murderer': Film and Discussion

Date: 21 February 2013 Time: 16:00-18:30

Venue: Fylde, Lecture Theatre 1 (LT 1 A15)


On 29 March 1945, in Burgenland, three SS men shot 60 Hungarian Jewish forced labourers.

One of the alleged killers was SS Sergeant Adolf Storms. Storms was never held to account for this act.

63 years later Walter Manoschek succeeded in interviewing Storms.

In conversations with him, together with leaders of the Hitler Youth and Jewish survi-vors of the massacre, Manoscheck reconstructed this almost forgotten crime, addressing questions about the displacement of responsibility.

It wasn't hard to locate Adolf Storms. His number was in the telephone book. A call to Duisburg confirmed that he was the former SS-Unterscharführer who, according to trial transcripts and witness testimony, had been involved in a nearly forgotten Nazi massacre of Jewish slave labourers committed on what is now Austrian territory.

In summer 2008, I asked Adolf Storms to allow me to conduct a filmed interview with him and, to my surprise, he agreed. Although he was 89 years old, Adolf Storms came across as alert and highly focused. His powers of recollection turned out to be excellent. In March 1945, he had become separated from his unit and pressed on alone until he reached Deutsch Schützen, a town on the Austrian-Hungarian border, where he met up with two fellow SS men and spent a "very enjoyable night" boozing it up with his comrades and the local Hitler Youth Bannführer Alfred Weber. The next day, he moved on, and linked up with his SS unit soon thereafter. He made no mention of Jews in Deutsch Schützen.

In several interviews with a total length of 15 hours, I confronted him with the 1946 trial of former Hitler Youth members in which witnesses testified that he and his two fellow SS men murdered at least 57 Jews in Deutsch Schützen. Early in the day, Hitler Youth members took charge of some Jewish slave labourers there and brought them to a church on the outskirts of town. There, they were turned over to three members of the Waffen-SS, taken out into the woods and shot. All the evidence indicates that the original plan had been to murder all of the approximately 500 Jews then in the town. That would have been the largest such execution of Jews in Austria. But the massacre was aborted, probably due to a lack of time since Red Army units had advanced to only a few kilometres from town. The approximately 450 surviving Jews—guarded by three SS men and a dozen members of the Hitler Youth—were then sent on a two-day forced march to Hartberg, where they were turned over to another detail of guards who escorted them to the Mauthausen concentration camp.

Storms did not deny having been in Deutsch Schützen at the time of the massacre. But when it came to talking about his participation in the shooting, he repeated the standard line over and over again:"I have no re- collection of that."

Afterwards, I filed a statement of facts with the Dortmund Public Prosecutor's Office, on the basis of which Storms was indicted for murder in November 2009.This was reported in the media worldwide. Shortly before the trial was to have begun in June 2010, Adolf Storms died at the age of 91.

Walter Manoschek was born in 1957. He studied political science and history at the University of Vienna, which awarded him a Ph. D. in 1991. After his habilitation, he was appointed Associate Professor of Political Science at the University of Vienna. His research focuses on National Socialism, holocaust studies and the politics of remembrance. From 1995 to 1999, he was one of the designers and organizers of the exhibition "War of Annihilation. Crimes of the Wehrmacht 1941-1944" (Vernichtungskrieg. Verbrechen der Wehrmacht 1941-1944) produced by the Hamburg Institut für Sozialforschung.
http://www.ling.lancs.ac.uk/event/4276/

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Re: Alleged Deutsch Schützen massacre

Postby Hannover » 4 years 7 months ago (Sun Jan 18, 2015 6:21 pm)

... 1946 trial of former Hitler Youth members in which witnesses testified that he and his two fellow SS men murdered at least 57 Jews in Deutsch Schützen.
- Are the verbatim court transcripts available?
- If not, why not?
- Were the "witnesses" cross examined?
- If not, why not?
- Who were the witnesses?
- Where is the physical evidence?
- Where are the alleged corpses?
- Adolf Storms displayed no signs of guilt and certainly one cannot recall something that did not happen.
- How Walter did Manoscheck 'reconstruct this almost forgotten crime'?

And yes, another convenient death just before going to trial
see: Curious "Suicides"
and: Brief List of the (very) Conveniently Deceased

Walter Manoschek is absolutely untrustworthy and extremely biased. He has a serious conflict of interests since he profits from the false narratives that he markets. The exhibit he was heavily involved in: "The War of Annihilation. Crimes of the Wehrmacht 1941-1944" was closed down due to howls of protest about forgery, misrepresentation of images, and false captioning.
See:
Hannes Heer
The posted photos are missing, but there are interesting comments and links, including one to the German exhibit site.
also see:
http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v18/v18n5p-6_Weber.html
'Fraud Exposed in Defamatory German Exhibition
Photo Exhibit of German Army Atrocities Shut Down'
and:
http://www.cwporter.com/antiwehrmacht.htm
"War of Extermination: Crimes of the Wehrmacht 1941–1944” exhibit debunked
and:
http://www.cwporter.com/seidl1.htm

- Hannover

The 'holocaust' storyline is one of the most easily debunked narratives ever contrived. That is why those who question it are arrested and persecuted. That is why violent, racist, & privileged Jewish supremacists demand censorship. What sort of Truth is it that crushes the freedom to seek the truth? Truth needs no protection from scrutiny.
The tide is turning.
If it can't happen as alleged, then it didn't.

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Re: Alleged Deutsch Schützen massacre

Postby Hektor » 4 years 7 months ago (Mon Jan 19, 2015 5:20 am)

Hannover wrote:
... 1946 trial of former Hitler Youth members in which witnesses testified that he and his two fellow SS men murdered at least 57 Jews in Deutsch Schützen.
- Are the verbatim court transcripts available?
- If not, why not?
- Were the "witnesses" cross examined?
- If not, why not?
- Who were the witnesses?
- Where is the physical evidence?
- Where are the alleged corpses?
- Adolf Storms displayed no signs of guilt and certainly one cannot recall something that did not happen.
- How Walter did Manoscheck 'reconstruct this almost forgotten crime'?

....

I got no illusions about Manoscheck's strong bias in that regard. He will ignore any evidence for obvious bull shit and clamp to anything in support of the allegation. That Storms was ready to spend fifteen hours being questioned by Manoscheck is a clear indicator of his innocence (otherwise he wouldn't have talked as to not implicate himself). He doesn't know, because it never happened.

As for 'physical evidence' allegedly they found the mass grave, or rather remains of people in the woulds. Apparently those remains were far from complete, which would indicate that the corpses come from people that were killed in bombing or artillery shelling. And guess what, the Jews decided to put a concrete plate on the alleged location of the mass grave. Conveniently this will make any further investigation difficult to impossible.
Auch bei der jüngsten Wiederauffindung des Grabes konnte die Anzahl nicht geklärt werden. Die Grabstelle soll zum Friedhof erklärt werden, da nach halachischen Vorschriften nur eine Exhumierung und Überführung zulässig ist, wenn alle Leichenteile aufgefunden werden können, was sich jedoch nach 50 Jahren als unmöglich erweist. Die gesamte Stelle wird mit einer Betonplatte bedeckt.

http://www.kreuzstadl.net/downloads/pre ... uetzen.pdf


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