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Italy Senate moves to outlaw Holocaust "denial"

Postby phdnm » 5 years 5 months ago (Wed Feb 11, 2015 3:38 pm)

“Denying the Holocaust and genocides will be punished as in so many other countries,” he was quoted in Il Sole as saying.


One more on the list :?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laws_again ... ust_denial


Italy Senate moves to outlaw Holocaust denial


11 Feb 2015

Italian senators on Wednesday voted in favour of a bill criminalizing Holocaust denial, following changes to the proposed law to protect freedom of speech.

A total of 234 senators voted for the bill, while eight abstained and three voted against the new law, Il Sole 24 Ore reported.

Under the law people will face a three-year sentence for promoting, inciting or committing acts of racial discrimination based in part or entirely on the denial of the Holocaust. Crimes against humanity and war crimes are also covered in the bill, which now needs to pass through Italy’s lower house before it can become law.

The Senate vote follows revisions which lawmakers say ensure freedom of speech and the freedom to study are upheld.

Senator Giuseppe Lumia, part of the justice committee, said the vote marked a “turning point” in Italy.

“Denying the Holocaust and genocides will be punished as in so many other countries,” he was quoted in Il Sole as saying.

France and Germany are among the European states which have criminalized Holocaust denial. A British bishop was in 2013 convicted of the crime, after giving an interview to Swedish television in which he questioned the number of Jews killed in Nazi concentration camps.

Of more than 1,000 Jews deported from Rome’s Ghetto during the Second World War, just 16 returned.


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Re: Italy Senate moves to outlaw Holocaust "denial"

Postby Hannover » 5 years 5 months ago (Wed Feb 11, 2015 4:18 pm)

There's no better proof that the '6M & gas chambers' is utter nonsense than this.
Italian senators on Wednesday voted in favour of a bill criminalizing Holocaust denial, following changes to the proposed law to protect freedom of speech.

A total of 234 senators voted for the bill, while eight abstained and three voted against the new law, Il Sole 24 Ore reported.

Under the law people will face a three-year sentence for promoting, inciting or committing acts of racial discrimination based in part or entirely on the denial of the Holocaust. Crimes against humanity and war crimes are also covered in the bill, which now needs to pass through Italy’s lower house before it can become law.
The entire matter is Orwellian.

So how is free speech protected when free speech is banned?

How is scrutiny of the BS 'holocaust' narrative equal to "inciting or committing acts of racial discrimination"? At this forum we discriminate against no one. True Believing Jews are free to debate here, have debated here ... and taken a serious whipping, of course.

It's Revisionists who suffer real discrimination, acts of violence, persecution, loss of employment, harassment, slander.

Something tells me Italy is in for some problems if this passes.

- Hannover

The 'holocaust' storyline is one of the most easily debunked narratives ever contrived. That is why those who question it are arrested and persecuted. That is why violent, racist, & privileged Jewish supremacists demand censorship. What sort of Truth is it that crushes the freedom to seek the truth? Truth needs no protection from scrutiny.
The Internet is demolishing the false narrative promoted by arrogant Jewish supremacists. From the slaughter of the Palestinians to the lies of Auschwitz, the world is recognizing the dangers of Jewish supremacism.
The tide is turning.
If it can't happen as alleged, then it didn't.

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Re: Italy Senate moves to outlaw Holocaust "denial"

Postby Werd » 5 years 5 months ago (Wed Feb 11, 2015 6:43 pm)

The Italian blog olodogma has been covering these developments closely. They campaigned heavily and asked all senators to make sure the language in the bill was specific as opposed to vague and widely interpreted. Apparently, to no avail. We have yet to see how much longer olodogma will stay online.

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Re: Italy Senate moves to outlaw Holocaust "denial"

Postby Dresden » 5 years 5 months ago (Wed Feb 11, 2015 7:43 pm)

Werd said:

"We have yet to see how much longer olodogma will stay online"

And how long Carlo Mattogno can stay out of Jail.

This is not a good developent! :(
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Re: Italy Senate moves to outlaw Holocaust "denial"

Postby Werd » 5 years 5 months ago (Wed Feb 11, 2015 8:18 pm)

Unfortunately, he may have to do what Ernst Zundel did after getting out of jail; that is not write anymore. Just take pride in his accomplishments and be proud of his place in history. Then pass the mantle on so he can retire and eventually die in peace in a ripe old age. Jurgen Graf also seems to be running out of places to go since Russia outlawed revisionism almost a year ago. The Swiss still have a warrant out for his arrest if not heavy fines waiting for him if he steps back into Switzerland. I think we were all hoping Thomas Kues would be around to continue his great work, but I have been informed that neither Graf nor Mattogno have been able to make contact with him since sometimes in 2014. He has apparently dropped off their radars and has not responded to attempts to contact him. Perhaps being a Swede, Kues realized he was going to have to stop what he was doing.

I was hoping Carlo would be able to finish his upcoming book on the Einsatzgruppen, but I am not so sure now. Jurgen Graf wrote the introduction for it but that is all he could contribute as he is busy with other translation project to fund his and his wife's existence. At the very least, someone has to get off their asses and hurry up and give the English world "The Crematory Ovens of Auschwitz" and "Health Care in Auschwitz" which are already in Italian and just need to be translated.

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Re: Italy Senate moves to outlaw Holocaust "denial"

Postby Moderator » 5 years 5 months ago (Wed Feb 11, 2015 9:05 pm)

Werd:
At the very least, someone has to get off their asses and hurry up and give the English world "The Crematory Ovens of Auschwitz" and "Health Care in Auschwitz" which are already in Italian and just need to be translated.
How about starting a thread in search of an Italian to English translator?
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Re: Italy Senate moves to outlaw Holocaust "denial"

Postby Werd » 5 years 4 months ago (Thu Feb 12, 2015 9:23 am)

Google translation of olodogma

0962 - Carlo Mattogno: The law of Pulcinella or compromise Italiot
February 12, 2015

The Messenger Online published an article entitled Denial, so the Senate will be punished those who do not recognize the Holocaust and genocide 1 . There is reported this comment Riccardo Pacifici, "It's a great day for our democracy and for the fight against anti-Semitism in our country. It was [sic] approved the courtroom of the Senate to amend Article 3 of Law 654 of 13 October 1975, the provision which introduces the crime of Denial of the Holocaust as an aggravating Mancino Law. " According Pacifici the law would recognize the Holocaust, "what crime whose negation is not a mere opinion but an act of hatred [sic] anti-Semitic."

One wonders where the president of the Jewish community of Rome has read such nonsense.

Here are the facts:


"The bill 54 AS / AR, parliamentary initiative, bears" Amendment to Article 3 of the Law of 13 October 1975 n. 654, on enforcement and prosecution of crimes of genocide, crimes against humanity and war crimes, as defined in Articles 6, 7 and 8 of the Statute of the International Criminal Court. "

The measure comes back to the attention of the Assembly, after a complex treatment that saw the first transition from the deliberation to the contact person and, after the conclusion of the first examination procedure reference, the reference in the Commission, agreed unanimously the Conference of leaders.

The Judiciary Committee then proceeded to a radical rewriting of the text originally dismissed, with the goal, on the one hand, to address the concerns and problems that emerged in the debate about the risk of introducing a mere crime of opinion and, secondly, to prepare a text that can balance the needs posed by international sources and European contrast with those of the denial of the protection of freedom of expression.

On the merits, the text under consideration consists of a single article is divided into two subsections.

Paragraph 1 of Article 1 of the bill amending Article 3 of the Law of 13 October 1975 n. 654 (Ratification and implementation of the International Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Racial Discrimination, opened for signature in New York March 7, 1966), limiting it only to criminal conduct istigatorie committed publicly and introducing an aggravation of penalty in cases whose propaganda, public incitement and public incitement are based "in whole or in part on the denial of the Holocaust or the crimes of genocide, crimes against humanity and war crimes" as defined by the Statute of the International Criminal Court.

Article 3, paragraph 1, of the above Act of 1975 - as last amended by Law of 24 February 2006, n. 85 Reform of the crimes of opinion - punishes with imprisonment of up to one year and six months or a fine of up to 6,000 euro propaganda advocating on racial superiority or hatred or ethnic hatred, or instigates to commit or commit acts of discrimination on racial, ethnic, national or religious (point a). This same legislative provision punishes with imprisonment from six months to four years, who, in any way, incites to commit or commits acts of violence or provocation to violence. Also prohibits any organization, association, movement or group that has among its purposes incitement to discrimination or violence on racial, ethnic, national or religious, and he punishes with imprisonment participation and promotion or direction.

The bill in question (a) and b) of paragraph 1 of Article single) change both points of Article 3, introducing, with regard to the conduct istigatorie therein, the requirement of advertising.

The letter c) adds, then, an additional provision, paragraph 3-bis, Article 3 of Law. The new standard makes an aggravation of sentence, if - for the acts provided by the letters a) and b) of paragraph 1 and paragraph 3 of Article 3 of Law no. 654- propaganda, public incitement and public incitement are based in whole or in part on the denial of the Holocaust or the crimes of genocide, crimes against humanity and war crimes, as defined by Articles 6, 7 and 8 of the Statute of the International Criminal Court.

Paragraph 2 of Article 1 of the bill then, with the aim of ensuring systematic coherence in terms of sanctions, change the number 1) of the first paragraph of Article 414 of the penal code, reducing from five to three years imprisonment the maximum punishment provided for the offense of incitement to commit a crime " 2 .


As we see, Pacifici has little to claim victory, because this is NOT the law anti- "negazionistica" he wanted, namely the introduction of the crime of opinion; the "Holocaust denial" will appear exclusively as an 'aggravating circumstance of the crime of incitement and public incitement. In other words, for example, say that the gas chambers of Auschwitz did not exist is not a crime; This is configured when you affirm publicly, for example, that the Jews have invented the lie of the gas chambers of Auschwitz, so you have to "discriminate" (offenses with aggression, boycotts, etc. etc.).

The law is thus a typical, pathetic compromise Italiot, made ​​by people who do not even have the courage of their opinions, painfully trying to balance the orders that come from above with the dictates of the Constitution; people that is neither hot nor cold, people that the day of judgment will be vomited.

Nevertheless, Pacifici is right to rejoice, it has reasons far more important than those who delude themselves: has threatened that his proposal would be welcome indeed, in which case it would have been a true law anti- "denier". This would be the total collapse of the pathetic anti- "denialism" Italiot.

I imagine in the dock: who would send, Pacifici, to make the expert prosecution? Valentina Pisanty? But do not laugh chickens!...

My file is ready for some time; I repeat for the umpteenth time

Image

- The gas chambers of Auschwitz. Historical and technical study on "criminal traces" of Jean-Claude Pressac and the "convergence of evidence" of Robert Jan Van Pelt. Effepi, Genoa, in April 2009, 715 pages;

- Auschwitz: health care, "selection" and "Sonderbehandlung" of detainees registered. Effepi, Genoa, 2010, 335 pages;

- The crematoria of Auschwitz. Historical study-technical collaboration with dr. ing. Franco Deana, Effepi, Genoa, 2012, 2 volumes, 1211 pages;

- The minutes of the interrogations of Soviet engineers Topf. Effepi, Genoa, 2014, 203 pages;

- The "killing fields" of '' Action Reinhardt ", edited by Giuseppe Poggi. Effepi, Genoa, 2014, 2 volumes, 1098 pages;

- "New studies" against revisionism: The Holocaust historiography in the deriv. Effepi, Genoa, 2014, 199 pages.

Since the anti- "deniers" local, not knowing where to turn to make even a simulacrum of objection to the matters set out therein, they pretend that these studies do not exist, merely throwing invectives, a public trial would be a great stage.

What I miss is only a tribune media to raise awareness at the national level the scientific value of these studies and their results and to further ridicule the "experts" operetta exterminationist

Finally, they would be forced to face the reality and the image revisionist paranoid "negazionistitica" false and reassuring, this reality that you have painstakingly created over the years to calm down and have imposed the so-called public opinion for istupidirla vanish in an instant.

Ben is a true law anti- "negazionistica"!

Carlo Mattogno

1 http://www.ilmessaggero.it/PRIMOPIANO/P ... 4895.shtml.

2 http://www.senato.it/japp/bgt/showdoc/1 ... 902399.xml.

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Re: Italy Senate moves to outlaw Holocaust "denial"

Postby Werd » 5 years 4 months ago (Thu Feb 12, 2015 11:51 am)

Googletranslation of olodogma


0961 - Law anti-revisionism? The Waterloo of holocau $ t-israel-lobby
February 12, 2015

Why this title? As we explain in comparison to taking the law establishing the day of remembrance . The text of the law, approved unanimously by the Italian Parliament, contains two "errors":

1) says one trumpeted "killing of the gates" of Auschwitz. Felling that was never necessary because former prisoners went in and out freely , there being more German guards from January 17 to 18, so that 'heroic felling no sense happened! Tried not to slaughter from the photos of the gate of Auschwitz January 27, 1945. So a historical inaccuracy, at least for the main gate of Auschwitz-I

2) affirms the existence of an extermination plan that has never been found by anyone. (Denied publicly by top expert Exterminationist as well as historical, the jew Raul Hilberg!)

The author of this law, the jew furio colombo, they say ... the '<< "honorable Furio Colombo for which the" Day of Remembrance "was the main commitment when he was deputy of the Olive >> ... so years hard work to approve the text of the law, wrong, ... of 8 lines!

You say what has to do with the anti-denial, " last chance "of survival of exterminationism? Got to do, just a little bit of calm ...

Revisionism noted, years ago, and clearly illustrated repeatedly these two points and for some time ... NO wise person speaks most of the gates, but the 'opening of the gates! It seems nothing, but it is of paramount importance. It follows that the voices of Holocaust denial are heard, even if you do not say ... and if it takes place, you must take note, inevitably. Let's go over ...

The anti-revisionist 11.02-15 approved yesterday by the Senate says in Article 3a ...

<< The penalty is increased if the propaganda, public incitement and public incitement are based in whole or in part on the denial of the Holocaust >>

Hence, if the logic still has a sense, that is to be acquired for a certain historical fact, defined, that is "publicly" denied, the so-called $ olocau to- $ Hoah. Here is the beginning of Waterloo!

In a nutshell what it means to "deny the $ Hoah?

Example 1: If I say publicly that the "Einsatzgruppen", in Russia, they have shot 2,100,000, as claimed by Benz, but 957 113 or 1,500,001 people'm denying the $ Hoah?

Example 2: If you publicly say that the victims of Treblinka were 543,374 instead of 3,000,000 as stated by the Jew Wassili grossmann, I'm denying the $ Hoah?

Example 3: If I say that publicly in Lublin-Majdanek 250,000 people have died and 1.7 million as established the Criminal Court of Lublin, I'm denying the $ Hoah?

Example 4: If I say that publicly at Auschwitz, by associating the historian Gerald Reitlinger, were killed between 800,000 and 900,000 people instead of 4,000,000 as "proven" by the Soviets at the Nuremberg Tribunal, I'm denying the $ Hoah?

Example 5: if publicly affirm that the dead are to dell'olocau $ 4.1942 million, or 5.1 million, instead of the cabalistic 6,000,000, I'm denying the $ Hoah?

Example 6: if publicly affirm that there are no documents proving the will to exterminate the Jews of Adolf Hitler which resulted in an extermination order, never found, I'm denying the $ Hoah?

Example 7: If you publicly say that sick inmates were not sent to the gas chambers, but treated in hospitals ( see here) , as confirmed by the jew levi first ( see here ) (1), I am denying the $ Hoah?

They are only 7 elementary examples, but you can continue for quite a while! Now if I make those statements in public CHI ensure, in court, that I denied the $ Hoah? The judge, of course! Then you MUST 'going to discuss, necessarily, of facts, dates, numbers, circumstances ... NOT exactly what has never been done, which has carefully avoided, as those who have a guilty ago by fire, in courtrooms where you processavano the deniers of turn! Now the court will be forced to SCREENING facts DOCUMENTED ... or with the support of historical documents! and we know well the agony of the art confronting the exterminationism with technical documentation! We learned from the leading expert Exterminationist, the jew robert jan van pelt that, to despair, let slip ...

"Of the 99% of what we know we did not actually material evidence in support ... has become part of our knowledge inherited" ( Source )

So in that case the holocau $ t-israel.lobby MUST 'show with evidence of "extermination", will have to produce documents that confirm the facts denied by the denial of the moment!
Or you reintroduce the 'ipse dixit?

... Told the witness so and so ... the witness Pinco ball ... it has established historiography!

This is the trap revisionist to bring out the spider hole, the lobster from the den in stone! Sure some will pay the 'audacity of denial, but it is worth it!

To write this piece of legislation of five (5) lines containing a term foreign to the Italian language that does not specify anything, an indefinite taboo, were needed ... "months of hard work," writes the jew peaceful riccardo (to say true it took years and has lost count of the rewriting of the text), as for the jew colombo it took years to write his law with two "errors" historic! Two texts "brothers." To err humanum est, persevere autem diabolicum!

... On the other hand it is true that those who are drowning clings even to the blade of the razor!

... Agreed to continue the process of the law?

Warning: The reader no illusions after these normal, "human", considerations, we mention the Jewish "barbaric" ... "For the Jews are not worth NEVER things that apply to humans" ... ( Source , source Original )

Notes

1) We report the exact words of the first levi:

"Tonight, right after the soup, I will go to Ka-Be-Be.Ka is short for Krankenbau, l 'infirmary. There are eight cabins, like all the others in the field, but separated by a fence. They contain a permanent one-tenth of the population of the camp, but few will stay more than two weeks and no more than two months "...

Source: levi first, If This is a Man; The truce, Einaudi, Torino 1989. Source Internet: http://www.altrestorie.net/libri/Levi-SeQuesto-Uomo.pdf, p.77

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