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Prosecutors Call for 3 years 3 months for Sylvia Stolz

Postby Kladderadatsch » 4 years 4 months ago (Tue Feb 24, 2015 10:38 pm)

Drei Jahre Haft für Stolz gefordert

Ebersberg - Plädoyers im Volksverhetzungs-Prozess gegen die ehemalige Anwältin Sylvia Stolz aus Ebersberg. Am 25. Februar fällt das Urteil.

Auf ihr letztes Wort im Prozess wegen Volksverhetzung hat sich die frühere Anwältin Sylvia Stolz (51) aus Ebersberg vorbereitet. Sie steht auf, nimmt ein Blatt zur Hand und trägt vor: „Mein Vortrag in der Schweiz war keine Holocaust-Leugnung. Es ging um die herrschende Gerichtspraxis in solchen Verfahren.“ Die Staatsanwaltschaft geht allerdings sehr wohl von Holocaust-Leugnung aus und hat Stolz wegen Volksverhetzung, Verleumdung und Titelmissbrauchs angeklagt. Seit Mittwoch muss sie sich vor dem Landgericht München II verantworten. Heute wird das Urteil fallen.

Bei den Vorwürfen geht es um eine rund 90-minütige Rede, die Stolz 2012 auf einer „Antizensurkoalition“ im Schweizerischen Chur gehalten hat und die auch ins Internet gestellt wurde. Laut Anklage soll sie den an den europäischen Juden begangenen Völkermord geleugnet und ihn als bloße Erfindung dargestellt haben. Außerdem habe sie per Internet einen Rechtsanwalt verleumdet, der den Vortrag angezeigt hatte. Die Anklage lautet außerdem auf Missbrauch von Berufsbezeichnungen, weil sie sich als Rechtsanwältin ausgegeben habe, obwohl ihr die Ausübung des Rechtsanwaltsberufs untersagt wurde.

Stolz selbst weist die Vorwürfe zurück. Sie habe die Anklage nicht erwartet, sagt sie. Ihr letztes Wort beendet sie mit dem Zitat „Hier kann uns nur noch Gott helfen.“ Um dann ans Gericht gewandt zu ergänzen: „Ich habe meine Entscheidung getroffen. Gott sei mit Ihnen, wenn Sie Ihre treffen.“

Das Gericht wird seine Entscheidung heute ab 11 Uhr verkünden. Der Staatsanwalt plädierte auf drei Jahre und drei Monate Haft für die einschlägig vorbestrafte Ebersbergerin, die eine vorhergehende Strafe bereits voll verbüßt hat. Der Verteidiger forderte Freispruch: „Mit keinem, mit keinem einzigen Wort wurde hier etwas geleugnet.“

Nina Gut

http://www.merkur-online.de/lokales/ebe ... 62289.html


Three years in prison demanded for Stolz

Ebersberg - Final arguments in sedition/popular incitement ("Volksverhetzung") trial against former lawyer Sylvia Stolz, of Ebersberg. Judgment to be handed down on 25 February.

Former Ebersberg lawyer Sylvia Stolz (51) had prepared herself for her closing statement in the trial against her for popular incitement. She stood up, took a piece of paper in hand, and declaimed: "My lecture in Switzerland was not Holocaust denial. It was about the dominant praxis of the courts in such [i.e., 'Holocaust denial'] trials." The state prosecutors, however, proceeded very much on the assumption of Holocaust denial, and charged Stolz with popular incitement ("Volksverhetzung"), defamation and misuse of [professional] title. She has had to answer before the Landgericht (State Court) München II since last Wednesday. The judgment will come down today.

The charges concern an approximately ninety-minute speech which Stolz gave in Chur, Switzerland in 2012 and which was also placed on the Internet. According to the indictment, she denied [i.e., in the speech] the genocide of the European Jews and presented it as a mere invention. She also is alleged to have used the Internet to defame the lawyer who reported her. The indictment further includes misuse of professional title, since she is alleged to have given herself out to be a lawyer, even though she has been forbidden from the practice of law.

Stolz herself rejects the charges. She had not expected the indictment, she says. Her closing speech ended with the quotation, "Here only God can help us." She then turned to the court to add: "I have made my decision. May God be with you when you make yours."

The court will announce its decision today [Wednesday] at 11 am. The prosecution has called for three years and three months incarceration for the Ebersberg resident, who has been punished before on similar charges and already served a sentence for them. The defence calls for acquittal: "With not one word, with not one single word has anything here been denied."

Nina Gut


There's much to this grotesque perversion of the law that is astonishing, to say the least. But as the person who translated the "defamation" in question, I must say that for me the bit about how Stolz allegedly "used the Internet to defame the lawyer who reported her" takes the cake.

From the transcript of the original "Reply":

The newspaper "Süd-Ost Schweiz"
reported on January 17, 2013:
"The Swiss lawyer Daniel Kettiger has filed a complaint
against Stolz and Sasek for denial of the Holocaust.
Kettiger refers in his criminal complaint
to passages in the talk
in which Stolz charged that the Holocaust
had never been proven before a court of law
and that there was also no evidence of an 'intention by the National Socialist regime
to destroy Jewry either in whole or in part.'"
To which I can only reply,
it appears that Kettiger has not informed himself
about the real contents and wording
of my talk.
He appears to consider it appropriate
to fabricate a case of "Holocaust Denial"
based on his OWN formulations.
For years now anyone claiming that the Holocaust
has not been proven
in the sense of a systematic murder of Jews
has been prosecuted for "Holocaust denial."
Still one can hardly mean to initiate
criminal proceedings against Ivo Sasek and myself
and rely on phrases
that derive from journalists or complaint filers.
Anyone can compare
the reports about my presentation
with the contents and wording of the talk itself.




The quoted passage runs from @ 6:43 - 8:22.


Who, I ask, is really guilty of defamation and misuse of professional title here?


(Edit: I know it's frowned on here, but I needed to make a minor correction to the translation. If it's going to be quoted, it should be correct. Thanks.)
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Re: Prosecutors Call for 3 years 3 months for Sylvia Stolz

Postby Dresden » 4 years 4 months ago (Tue Feb 24, 2015 11:03 pm)

Thank you for the translations, and your opinions too, KZ!

"Who, I ask, is really guilty of defamation and misuse of professional title here?"


That's a good question with an obvious answer.

Sylvia seems to be so much more intelligent and rational than Her persecutors.

I hope the charges against Her are dismissed.
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Re: Prosecutors Call for 3 years 3 months for Sylvia Stolz

Postby Kladderadatsch » 4 years 4 months ago (Tue Feb 24, 2015 11:20 pm)

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Lol, it has a bit of a "They Live" quality about it, but it's the message that counts.

Now back to translating.
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Re: Prosecutors Call for 3 years 3 months for Sylvia Stolz

Postby Dresden » 4 years 4 months ago (Tue Feb 24, 2015 11:49 pm)

Kladderadatsch said:

"Lol, it has a bit of a "They Live" quality about it, but it's the message that counts"

Yes, and in Sylvia's case, "They" can rightly say:

"We've got one that can see!"
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Re: Prosecutors Call for 3 years 3 months for Sylvia Stolz

Postby Kladderadatsch » 4 years 4 months ago (Wed Feb 25, 2015 12:40 am)

This doesn't add much by way of information to the first article above, but I wanted to translate it all the same as a sample of the despicable lowness of our "media watchdogs."

Vor dem Landgericht
Prozess gegen wirre Holocaust-Leugnerin
Juristin wegen Volksverhetzung angeklagt


Von OLIVER GROTHMANN

München – Die wirren Aussagen dieser Frau sind unerträglich! Immer wieder leugnet Sylvia Stolz (51) den Massenmord an Juden während der Nazi-Terror-Herrschaft in Deutschland. Dafür wanderte die Juristin bereits einmal ins Gefängnis. Seit gestern steht sie schon wieder vor Gericht.

Und erneut geht es um den Holocaust, den Sylvia Stolz – die mit dem inhaftierten Neonazis Horst Mahler (79) liiert war – leugnete.

►Der Tatort: Die so genannten „8. Internationale Konferenz“ einer „Antizensurkoalition“ in Chur (Schweiz). Sie sagte im November 2012 wirre Sätze wie: „Es fehlen die Festlegungen über Tatorte, Tötungsmethoden, Anzahl der Toten, Tatzeiträume, Täter, Leichen oder Spuren eines Morde“.

Oder: „Es fehlen die Feststellungen einer nationalsozialistischen Absicht, die Judenheit ganz oder teilweise zu zerstören“.

Ein Anwalt zeigte Sylvia Stolz damals an. Auch die deutsche Staatsanwaltschaft ermittelte, erhob Anklage wegen Volksverhetzung.

Gestern vor Gericht stellte ihr Verteidiger seitenlange Anträge, die erwartungsgemäß alle abgeschmettert wurden. Urteil nächsten Mittwoch.

http://www.bild.de/regional/muenchen/ho ... .bild.html


Before the State Court
Trial against crazed Holocaust Denier
Lawyer indicted for popular incitement


by Oliver Grothmann

Munich – The crazed statements of this woman are unbearable! Again and again, Sylvia Stolz (51) denies the mass murder of the Jews during the Nazi terror regime in Germany. The [former] lawyer has already gone to prison for it once before. As of yesterday, she once more stands before the court.

And once more it's about the Holocaust, which Sylvia Stolz — who is in romantically linked with the imprisoned neo-Nazi Horst Mahler (79) — denies.

►Place of the crime: The so-called "Eighth International Conference" of the "Anti-Censorship Coalition" in Chur (Switzerland). There, in November 2012, she made crazed statements like: "There are no [legal] findings of fact on crime scenes, killing methods, number of victims, time of crime, perpetrators, bodies or traces of a murder."

Or: "There are no findings of fact showing the intention by the National Socialist regime to destroy Jewry either in whole or in part."

A lawyer reported Sylvia Stolz at the time. The German prosecutor's office also investigated, and brought an idictment for popular incitement ("Volksverhetzung").

Yesterday before the court, her defence attorney submitted many pages of motions, which as expected were all struck down. Judgment next Wednesday.


Let it never be said that the Daily Mail has no competition in the Stupid and Slanderous Sweepstakes. "Crazed"? Really?

And just let the implications of that second-last sentence sink in: "her defence attorney submitted many pages of motions, which as expected were all struck down." The writer makes no effort whatsoever to conceal his smug satisfaction at the perversion of judicial procedure.

Who, I ask again, is really guilty of "popular incitement" here?
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Re: Prosecutors Call for 3 years 3 months for Sylvia Stolz

Postby Carto's Cutlass Supreme » 4 years 4 months ago (Wed Feb 25, 2015 1:36 am)

I remember that talk. I saw it on youtube. I remember her being very careful not to deny the holocaust. They're trying to give her 3 years for that talk? Wow.

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Re: Prosecutors Call for 3 years 3 months for Sylvia Stolz

Postby Hektor » 4 years 4 months ago (Wed Feb 25, 2015 7:15 am)

Carto's Cutlass Supreme wrote:I remember that talk. I saw it on youtube. I remember her being very careful not to deny the holocaust. They're trying to give her 3 years for that talk? Wow.

I recall her holding a speech in front of the Antizensurkoalition. The moderator asked her to be careful with certain things. Is that the same speech?

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Re: Prosecutors Call for 3 years 3 months for Sylvia Stolz

Postby phdnm » 4 years 4 months ago (Wed Feb 25, 2015 8:32 am)

German ex-lawyer convicted of Holocaust denial in Munich


25/02/2015

BERLIN — A former German attorney with well-known links to the far right has been convicted of Holocaust denial and sentenced to 20 months in prison.

Munich state court spokeswoman Andrea Titz said 51-year-old Sylvia Stolz was convicted of inciting racial hatred for denying the Holocaust in a 2012 speech. She argued during her trial that she was exercising her right to free speech.

Stolz already served time for Holocaust denial after a 2008 conviction related to her defense of notorious Holocaust denier Ernst Zundel, who was convicted himself of the crime in Mannheim in 2007.

Zundel's initial Mannheim trial collapsed after Stolz was banned from the proceedings on grounds she was trying to sabotage them. During the trial, she repeatedly denied the Holocaust and ended a legal document with "Heil Hitler."


http://journalstar.com/news/world/europ ... 83dd0.html

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Re: Prosecutors Call for 3 years 3 months for Sylvia Stolz

Postby Kladderadatsch » 4 years 4 months ago (Wed Feb 25, 2015 9:09 am)

Unbelievable.
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Re: Prosecutors Call for 3 years 3 months for Sylvia Stolz

Postby Kladderadatsch » 4 years 4 months ago (Wed Feb 25, 2015 9:57 am)

I didn't have time to do the whole thing (the rest of it is mostly just announcement of the verdict itself), but this bit of Orwellian Newspeak is worth quoting here.

Frage nach der Meinungsfreiheit

Die entscheidende Frage, so der Vorsitzende der 1. Strafkammer, Richter Martin Rieder bei der Urteilsbegründung, sei, ob die Rede der Angeklagten noch die Meinungsfreiheit gedeckt sei. Oder ob es sich um eine Leugnung des Holocausts handle. Dass der Völkermord an den Juden angeblich kein historisches Ereignis sei, werde in dem Vortrag "zwar nicht so offen angesprochen", sagte Richter Rieder. Doch bei genauer Betrachtung, bestehe kein Zweifel daran, dass der "Sinn und Zweck" der Rede darin bestand, "das zu tun, was verboten ist, nämlich den Holocaust zu leugnen."

Kaum ein Ereignis der jüngeren Geschichte, so Richter Rieder, sei besser dokumentiert und erforscht, als die Vernichtung der europäischen Juden durch die Nationalsozialisten. Die Angeklagte habe mit fragwürdigen Zitier-Methoden versucht, ihre Thesen zu untermauern. Es sei ihr nur um eines gegangen: Ungestraft den Holocaust zu leugnen. Doch der Massenmord an den Juden ist offenkundig, so Richter Rieder.

Selbst wenn keine schriftlichen Befehle Hitlers oder eines seiner Schergen vorliegen, brauche man nur die Hetzschrift "Mein Kampf" lesen. Dann wisse man, dass das Ziel der Nationalsozialisten die Auslöschung der Juden und sogenannter "Untermenschen" gewesen sei. Neben Volksverhetzung verurteilte das Gericht Stolz wegen Missberauchs von Titeln. Obwohl die 51-Jährige aus der Rechtsanwaltskammer ausgeschlossen wurde, stand in einem Schreiben an die Staatsanwaltschaft unter ihrem Namen die Berufsbezeichnung Rechtsanwältin.

http://www.sueddeutsche.de/muenchen/urt ... -1.2367053


Question of Freedom of speech

The decisive question in grounding the decision according to presiding judge of the first Penal Court, Judge Martin Rieder, was whether the speech of the defendant was covered by freedom of expression, or if it amounted to a denial of the Holocaust. That the genocide of the Jews is not a real historical event "was indeed not clearly enunciated" in the lecture, said Judge Rieder. However, on closer examination, there can be no doubt that the "intent and goal" of the speech was "to do that which is forbidden, namely, to deny the Holocaust."

Scarcely any event of recent history, so Judge Rieder, is better documented and researched than the extermination of the European Jews by the National Socialists. The defendant had attempted, though dubious methods of citation, to support her claims. She was out to do only one thing: to deny the Holocaust unpunished. But the mass murder of the Jews is self-evident, says Judge Rieder.

Even if no written order from Hitler or one of his thugs can be found, one need only read the diatribe [Hetzschrift] "Mein Kampf." Then one will know that the goal of the National Socialists was the extinction of the Jews and so-called Untermenschen. Along with popular incitement, the court also sentenced Stolz for misuse of professional title. Although the 51-year old has been excluded from the legal profession, in one of her letters to the state prosecutors the professional title "Lawyer" was written beneath her name.


I wonder . . . does this mean that the Judge is recommending the reading of Mein Kampf in Germany's schools now? After all, if the Holocaust is "self-evident" and all you need to know that is to read Mein Kampf, then surely that would be the easiest and most effective way to ensure that this "self-evident" truth is indeed self-evident to all, no?

But of course irony is wasted on the unthinking.
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Re: Prosecutors Call for 3 years 3 months for Sylvia Stolz

Postby Kladderadatsch » 4 years 4 months ago (Wed Feb 25, 2015 3:19 pm)

There, I fixed my image. I wanted a meme, and the "They Live" version just didn't cut it, lol.

She looks a little girlish, I suppose, but she's a youthful 51.

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Post it to your fb, use it as an avatar, whatever you like. But be proud.
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Re: Prosecutors Call for 3 years 3 months for Sylvia Stolz

Postby borjastick » 4 years 4 months ago (Wed Feb 25, 2015 3:28 pm)

This is very sad and somewhat astonishing in terms of the judge's ruling.

If one can be convicted on the basis of what someone else wrote some years before an event that may or may not have happened, but because it was written about it is proof that it actually happened, then I am confused.

So if I write on my FB feed that i hate a certain politician or pop star and hope they suffer, then that person does indeed suffer, though it was nothing to do with me I am presumed guilty.

If that's what he meant in this case that is truly outrageous.
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Re: Prosecutors Call for 3 years 3 months for Sylvia Stolz

Postby k0nsl » 4 years 4 months ago (Wed Feb 25, 2015 4:13 pm)

I've spread it, far and wide. Thank you!

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Kladderadatsch wrote:There, I fixed my image. I wanted a meme, and the "They Live" version just didn't cut it, lol.

She looks a little girlish, I suppose, but she's a youthful 51.

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Re: Prosecutors Call for 3 years 3 months for Sylvia Stolz

Postby neugierig » 4 years 4 months ago (Wed Feb 25, 2015 8:58 pm)

Here is what todays, February 25, Ha’aretz has to say about it:

“German ex-lawyer jailed for Holocaust denial - again
Sylvia Stolz had already served time for the same charge, when she defended another Holocaust denier by denying Holocaust herself, signing off legal documents with 'Heil Hitler.'

A former German attorney with well-known links to the far right has been convicted of Holocaust denial and sentenced to 20 months in prison.
Munich state court spokeswoman Andrea Titz said 51-year-old Sylvia Stolz was convicted of inciting racial hatred for denying the Holocaust in a 2012 speech. She argued during her trial that she was exercising her right to free speech.
Stolz already served time for Holocaust denial after a 2008 conviction related to her defense of notorious Holocaust denier Ernst Zundel, who was convicted himself of the crime in Mannheim in 2007.
Zundel's initial Mannheim trial collapsed after Stolz was banned from the proceedings on grounds she was trying to sabotage them. During the trial, she repeatedly denied the Holocaust and ended a legal document with "Heil Hitler."
http://www.haaretz.com/jewish-world/jew ... s/1.644197

Did she really sign a document with ‘Heil Hitler’? I have nothing but respect for Frau Stolz, but she serves no purpose in jail. The majority of Germans will either ignore this or cheer the sentence.

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Re: Prosecutors Call for 3 years 3 months for Sylvia Stolz

Postby Dresden » 4 years 4 months ago (Wed Feb 25, 2015 10:45 pm)

KZ said:

"There, I fixed my image. I wanted a meme, and the "They Live" version just didn't cut it, lol.
She looks a little girlish, I suppose, but she's a youthful 51"


Thank you for the improvement, but I thought something more "Angelic", or "Saintly" looking would be more fitting the German Joan of Arc.


Kinda like this video tries to represent,(Sylvia in Wonderland) beginning @ 5:19: :D

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