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Re: two British decodes of Police Batallion 320

Postby Hannover » 2 years 6 months ago (Sat Apr 04, 2015 7:02 pm)

And recall from earlier posts in his thread that it's claimed that S.S. Obergruppenführer Kurt Daulege (by telepathy & osmosis) told his men not to list 'Juden'.

Steve F wrote:Thames Darwin said:

"Of course, Jewish children are notorious partisans"

People under 18 years of age were considered children then as now.

There were thousands of partisans between the ages of 13-17.

Does it give the ages of the "children" in your "document"?

Thank you!

The document is laughable, as I showed, but indeed Steve, you are right:
Though people of all ages became Jewish Partisans, many were very young. Children as young as nine years old fought, and many Jewish Partisans were between the ages of 17 and 25. Most commonly, men and boys carried out all partisan missions, although in some camps, girls and women worked and fought alongside them.

https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/js ... isan2.html

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Re: two British decodes of Police Batallion 320

Postby Hektor » 2 years 6 months ago (Sat Apr 04, 2015 7:03 pm)

Mulegino1 wrote:
Hektor wrote:The decodes in British hands are of course 100% reliable evidence for anything. But let's leave the technicalities aside for arguments sake.

The German armed forces viewed the Jews as carriers of Bolshevism So did the local population in the Baltic states, Ukraine, etc. And it is plausible to some extent:
https://archive.org/details/BarnesRevie ... UdoWalendy

There were also Massacres in the Baltics, Belarus, Ukraine, etc. just before the Germans liberated those areas. Again Jews were suspected for involvement. The locals and the Germans must have been very upset about it.
https://archive.org/details/WehrmachtWi ... rInLemberg

That again made Jews the logical candidates for hostages in reprisals. But then didn't we discuss this on the forum several times? I'm certain there are numerous other threads.


Good point.

Another interesting question I have is: weren't a huge number of Jews evacuated to the east before Operation Barbarossa even began?

In that case, what Jews would the Soviets leave behind? Obviously not Jews whose loyalty to the Soviet state was in doubt.

Since Western Ukraine was envisioned (prior to June 22, 1941 that is) as an area to the rear of the front lines once the great invasion of Europe (preempted by Barbarossa) was begun, wouldn't most Jews left behind in the rear areas be either political commissars or NKVD operatives? This would make perfect sense in a politically volatile area such as Ukraine with an active Ukrainian nationalist movement.

And no doubt many of these Jews who were shot were informed upon by the local population as political operatives of the Soviet state.
Essentially correct. I have dealt with this already here:
Hektor wrote:
Reviso wrote:Thanks for the answer. I was not aware that it was mainstream history.
R.

It even gets better:
The only intact Jewish communities on the European continent are those in Switzerland, Sweden, Turkey, Portugal, Denmark and the unoccupied regions of the Soviet Union- The suffering of the Jews in the Soviet Union has, of course, been especially great in combat arras, where, however, the plight of the general population has been, equally serious. This was true particularly in besieged Leningrad with an estimated Jewish population of over 200,000* Almost half a million Jews from Soviet-occupied Poland, many of whom refused to accept Soviet citizenship, escaped Nazi rule by their removal to the Asiatic regions of the U.S.S.R. in 1940, In addition, it is also likely that over a million Jews from the Nazi-occupied regions of the Soviet Union managed to escape to the Soviet interior.
https://archive.org/details/JewishPostWarProblems

The text has other gems:
The majority of the Jews in Europe no longer reside in the places where they lived in 1939- Jews from almost all of Europe — Western and Southern — were and are being deported to the Nazi-occupied Polish and Soviet provinces.

At least a million and a half Jews in Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia, the Ukraine and White Russia — formerly regions belonging to or incorporated into the Soviet Union — were caught in 1941 in the trap of the suddenly advancing German armies. Roumania has deported several hundred thousands of Jews to areas seized from Russia. Thousands, principally from Hungary and Roumania, are working in labor battalions on the Russian front.

So they estimate 1.5 million Jews within German reach through the Barbarossa campaign.
The most difficult aspect of the problem of Jewish rehabilitation and resettlement will be that of the Jews stranded in Poland, Rou mania, and the occupied Soviet regions. It is too early to suggest any methods for the solution of this matter. For those who will desire to emigrate to new places, it may be desirable to prepare them for emigration in the places where they are found residing at the close of the wan If any priorities are to be introduced within the process of repatriation, however, justice demands
that special consideration be given to the tortured and enfeebled masses of the ghettos and concentration camps, to be followed by the inmates of labor camps.
Protection against discrimination will have to be assured to the repatriated Jews, The voluntary migration of individuals now resident in the free countries may therefore have to be postponed until these sorely oppressed masses in Europe are repatriated,
We learn that they already plan for migration after WW2.

The number of Jews in this region, as we have seen, has been drastically reduced by Nazi extermination and deportation, although many Jews here as well as in both Polish and Soviet White Russia and Ukraine have been fortunate in escaping to the Russian interior. While deportation does not necessarily mean extermination, since many of the deportees are drafted for slave labor and others are permitted to live as best they can, it is nevertheless clear that unless victory comes very soon the Jewish population in these regions will emerge radically reduced in numbers

Again deportations or "escapes" are mentioned. Note their remarks on deportation and extermination.

In a different category are the prospective Jewish emigrants living in the Soviet Union. Wliile Jews in the U.S.S.R. enjoy complete political and economic equality* many t because of religious, ideological and family reasons, would choose to leave, if given the opportunity. The most urgent plight of all is that of the Jewish refugees from Poland who, following their refusal to accept Soviet citizenship, were deported in 1940 to Asia from the Soviet-occupied Polish territories. {A paradoxical result was that they were spared Nazi occupation.) An important reason for their refusal was the fear that after adopting Soviet citizenship they would never be able to rejoin their families, left behind under Nazi occupation, in Palestine or elsewhere overseas; the Soviet union does not, except rarely t permit emigration. In spite of their deportation, they are considered Soviet citizens, Their situation is now precarious^ for social work in the Soviet Union, particularly in wartime, is not stressed. Similarly complicated is the problem of many Jews formerly living in the Soviet-incorporated areas of Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia, Bessarabia and Bukovina....Drastic changes have also taken place in the geographical distribution of the Jewish population in the U.S.S.R* Most of the Jews who were evacuated by the Soviet Government or who managed to escape the Nazi avalanche in 1941 found refuge in Asia, particularly Turkestan. It is likely that the government will have many of them remain there. Also, some Jews, along with others, may again be shifted elsewhere after the war. It is, further, possible that the Soviet Government may revive the Biro-Bidjan experiment. Finally, some Jews in Eastern Europe would prefer to join their relatives in the U.S.S.R. were the Soviet Government to relax its closed-door policy.
...
Between the outbreak of the war and the summer of 1941, an estimated 600,000 of the Polish, Lithuanian, Latvian and Estonian Jews who had come under control of the U.S.S.R. were evacuated by the Soviets to the interior and thus saved from the invading Nazis. Some of them have now reached Teheran and other

Altogether about 1,200,000 escaped. To this figure should be added the English Jews and the native Jews of the various
European Countries which are still neutral. They number about 4DD,OQ0 t We may therefore estimate the total number not under the yoke of the Nazis or their satellites as 1*600.000. Of the seven million European Jews there remain about 5, 400, 000 under Hitler's domination, In addition, about one million Jewish citizens of the Soviet Union were unable to flee Hitler's invading armies, and so came under his rule.
So they estimate 5.4 million Jews under "Hitler's domination". Interesting, what was again the figure of applications for reparations from Germany?

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Re: two British decodes of Police Batallion 320

Postby Hektor » 2 years 6 months ago (Sat Apr 04, 2015 7:18 pm)

Hektor wrote:
Mulegino1 wrote:
Hektor wrote:The decodes in British hands are of course 100% reliable evidence for anything. But let's leave the technicalities aside for arguments sake.

The German armed forces viewed the Jews as carriers of Bolshevism So did the local population in the Baltic states, Ukraine, etc. And it is plausible to some extent:
https://archive.org/details/BarnesRevie ... UdoWalendy

There were also Massacres in the Baltics, Belarus, Ukraine, etc. just before the Germans liberated those areas. Again Jews were suspected for involvement. The locals and the Germans must have been very upset about it.
https://archive.org/details/WehrmachtWi ... rInLemberg

That again made Jews the logical candidates for hostages in reprisals. But then didn't we discuss this on the forum several times? I'm certain there are numerous other threads.


Good point.

Another interesting question I have is: weren't a huge number of Jews evacuated to the east before Operation Barbarossa even began?

In that case, what Jews would the Soviets leave behind? Obviously not Jews whose loyalty to the Soviet state was in doubt.

Since Western Ukraine was envisioned (prior to June 22, 1941 that is) as an area to the rear of the front lines once the great invasion of Europe (preempted by Barbarossa) was begun, wouldn't most Jews left behind in the rear areas be either political commissars or NKVD operatives? This would make perfect sense in a politically volatile area such as Ukraine with an active Ukrainian nationalist movement.

And no doubt many of these Jews who were shot were informed upon by the local population as political operatives of the Soviet state.
Essentially correct. I have dealt with this already here:
Hektor wrote:
Reviso wrote:Thanks for the answer. I was not aware that it was mainstream history.
R.

It even gets better:
The only intact Jewish communities on the European continent are those in Switzerland, Sweden, Turkey, Portugal, Denmark and the unoccupied regions of the Soviet Union- The suffering of the Jews in the Soviet Union has, of course, been especially great in combat arras, where, however, the plight of the general population has been, equally serious. This was true particularly in besieged Leningrad with an estimated Jewish population of over 200,000* Almost half a million Jews from Soviet-occupied Poland, many of whom refused to accept Soviet citizenship, escaped Nazi rule by their removal to the Asiatic regions of the U.S.S.R. in 1940, In addition, it is also likely that over a million Jews from the Nazi-occupied regions of the Soviet Union managed to escape to the Soviet interior.
https://archive.org/details/JewishPostWarProblems

The text has other gems:
The majority of the Jews in Europe no longer reside in the places where they lived in 1939- Jews from almost all of Europe — Western and Southern — were and are being deported to the Nazi-occupied Polish and Soviet provinces.

At least a million and a half Jews in Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia, the Ukraine and White Russia — formerly regions belonging to or incorporated into the Soviet Union — were caught in 1941 in the trap of the suddenly advancing German armies. Roumania has deported several hundred thousands of Jews to areas seized from Russia. Thousands, principally from Hungary and Roumania, are working in labor battalions on the Russian front.

So they estimate 1.5 million Jews within German reach through the Barbarossa campaign.
The most difficult aspect of the problem of Jewish rehabilitation and resettlement will be that of the Jews stranded in Poland, Rou mania, and the occupied Soviet regions. It is too early to suggest any methods for the solution of this matter. For those who will desire to emigrate to new places, it may be desirable to prepare them for emigration in the places where they are found residing at the close of the wan If any priorities are to be introduced within the process of repatriation, however, justice demands
that special consideration be given to the tortured and enfeebled masses of the ghettos and concentration camps, to be followed by the inmates of labor camps.
Protection against discrimination will have to be assured to the repatriated Jews, The voluntary migration of individuals now resident in the free countries may therefore have to be postponed until these sorely oppressed masses in Europe are repatriated,
We learn that they already plan for migration after WW2.

The number of Jews in this region, as we have seen, has been drastically reduced by Nazi extermination and deportation, although many Jews here as well as in both Polish and Soviet White Russia and Ukraine have been fortunate in escaping to the Russian interior. While deportation does not necessarily mean extermination, since many of the deportees are drafted for slave labor and others are permitted to live as best they can, it is nevertheless clear that unless victory comes very soon the Jewish population in these regions will emerge radically reduced in numbers

Again deportations or "escapes" are mentioned. Note their remarks on deportation and extermination.

In a different category are the prospective Jewish emigrants living in the Soviet Union. Wliile Jews in the U.S.S.R. enjoy complete political and economic equality* many t because of religious, ideological and family reasons, would choose to leave, if given the opportunity. The most urgent plight of all is that of the Jewish refugees from Poland who, following their refusal to accept Soviet citizenship, were deported in 1940 to Asia from the Soviet-occupied Polish territories. {A paradoxical result was that they were spared Nazi occupation.) An important reason for their refusal was the fear that after adopting Soviet citizenship they would never be able to rejoin their families, left behind under Nazi occupation, in Palestine or elsewhere overseas; the Soviet union does not, except rarely t permit emigration. In spite of their deportation, they are considered Soviet citizens, Their situation is now precarious^ for social work in the Soviet Union, particularly in wartime, is not stressed. Similarly complicated is the problem of many Jews formerly living in the Soviet-incorporated areas of Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia, Bessarabia and Bukovina....Drastic changes have also taken place in the geographical distribution of the Jewish population in the U.S.S.R* Most of the Jews who were evacuated by the Soviet Government or who managed to escape the Nazi avalanche in 1941 found refuge in Asia, particularly Turkestan. It is likely that the government will have many of them remain there. Also, some Jews, along with others, may again be shifted elsewhere after the war. It is, further, possible that the Soviet Government may revive the Biro-Bidjan experiment. Finally, some Jews in Eastern Europe would prefer to join their relatives in the U.S.S.R. were the Soviet Government to relax its closed-door policy.
...
Between the outbreak of the war and the summer of 1941, an estimated 600,000 of the Polish, Lithuanian, Latvian and Estonian Jews who had come under control of the U.S.S.R. were evacuated by the Soviets to the interior and thus saved from the invading Nazis. Some of them have now reached Teheran and other

Altogether about 1,200,000 escaped. To this figure should be added the English Jews and the native Jews of the various
European Countries which are still neutral. They number about 4DD,OQ0 t We may therefore estimate the total number not under the yoke of the Nazis or their satellites as 1*600.000. Of the seven million European Jews there remain about 5, 400, 000 under Hitler's domination, In addition, about one million Jewish citizens of the Soviet Union were unable to flee Hitler's invading armies, and so came under his rule.
So they estimate 5.4 million Jews under "Hitler's domination". Interesting, what was again the figure of applications for reparations from Germany?

I know the proportion of Jews among active Communists was very high, but I do not have any figures what the percentage of them was among the Jewish population. I guess it was quite high as well.

Hannover wrote:And what is that supposed to be, Thames Darwin, who said he wouldn't debate here? 8)

- It's nothing more than something anybody could have typed?
- A list of supposed Jews, so what?
- Sheet 6 of what?
- Why only sheet 6?
- No cover / title page.
- No official markings.
- No signature.
- A questionable Bundesarchiv Bild no. added to the side, by whom?
- No Bundesarchiv stamps.
- It's nothing more than a photograph (bild) of a bogus document typed by anyone to mean whatever they wanted, it would be laughed out of court.
- A photo of a bogus document is still a bogus document
- Was it ever used in any trial?
- If so, what trial?

Another laughable bogus 'holocaust document' on display.

- Hannover

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This seems to be a page from the socalled Jaeger Report:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J%C3%A4ger_Report
The English article doesn't mention it's genesis, but the German one does:
Die „Gesamtaufstellung der im Bereich des EK. 3 bis zum 1. Dez. 1941 durchgeführten Exekutionen“ ist als vierte von fünf Ausfertigungen mit neun Blatt vollständig und von Jäger eigenhändig unterschrieben überliefert worden. Sie war 1944 bei der Rückeroberung Litauens in die Hände der Roten Armee gekommen, blieb aber im Westen unbekannt. Erst im Jahre 1963 wurde der Jäger-Bericht vom Sowjetischen Außenministerium der Zentralen Stelle der Landesjustizverwaltungen zur Aufklärung nationalsozialistischer Verbrechen in Ludwigsburg zur Verfügung gestellt.[5] Dort wurde die Quelle untersucht und von Experten inhaltlich für authentisch befunden. Dieses Dokument wird in der Außenstelle des Bundesarchivs in Ludwigsburg aufbewahrt.[6] Das Original befindet sich im Sonderarchiv Moskau.[7]
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/J%C3%A4ger-Bericht



Meaning:
- claimed signature of Jaeger. I didn't see that on the scans.
- claimed capture in 1944.
- First publication to the West in 1963 (!)
- "Experts" claim it is "authentic". How did they test that? I wonder what did the same experts say about the funny Stahlecker map?

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Re: two British decodes of Police Batallion 320

Postby Hannover » 2 years 6 months ago (Sat Apr 04, 2015 8:21 pm)

The Jaeger Report? .. got it, that makes sense. My previous points stand. Another attempt at subject change by Thames Darwin.

Anyway, this is too easy.
That's debunked throughout this forum:
just one example:
Jäger Report

excerpt:
some points:

The communist Soviets found the 'Jaeger Report' fifteen years after the alleged event.

Karl Jaeger curiously 'committed suicide' on 22 June 1959, how convenient.

Absolutely no mass graves have been shown to support the 'Jaeger Report'.

The so called 'Jaeger Report' has the smell of yet another communist Soviet forgery for which they were notorious.

It's all part of the unsupportable '2,000,000 Jews shot by the Einsatzgruppen' tale.
So, is that:
100 graves of 20,000?
200 graves of 10,000?
400 graves of 5,000?
500 graves of 4,000?
1000 graves of 2000?
2000 graves of 1000?

search Jaeger Report here for more, or einsatzgruppen

No mass graves as alleged, no 'holocaust'.

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The 'holocaust' storyline is one of the most easily debunked narratives ever contrived. That is why those who question it are arrested and persecuted. That is why violent, racist, & privileged Jewish supremacists demand censorship. What sort of truth is it that crushes the freedom to seek the truth? Truth needs no protection from scrutiny.
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Re: two British decodes of Police Batallion 320

Postby Thames Darwin » 2 years 6 months ago (Sat Apr 04, 2015 10:15 pm)

Hannover wrote:And recall from earlier posts in his thread that it's claimed that S.S. Obergruppenführer Kurt Daulege (by telepathy & osmosis) told his men not to list 'Juden'


That would be an interesting point if Daluege had any authority over Jaeger, but he didn't. Daluege was Orpo; Jaeger was Einsatzgruppen. Different chains of command, but I suppose you knew that.

The document is laughable, as I showed


I got it. Two documents mention Jews being shot, so one must be talking about partisans and the other must be a fake. It certainly couldn't be that the overtly anti-Semitic Nazis would dare harm innocent Jews. Goodness no.

Glad that's clear!

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Re: two British decodes of Police Batallion 320

Postby blacksmith » 2 years 6 months ago (Sat Apr 04, 2015 10:51 pm)

Hi Hanover,

I personally saw extremely accurate German records from KZ Dora, where every kindof punishment was clearly detailed in their records: some were put in solitary, some were whipped and of course some were shot. There was a demand from Berlin to account for all activities relating to the punishment of the inmates and if any soldier or commandant over stepped his authority and punished prisoners with extreme cruelty or without reason those soldiers/SS men were severely punished. See the case of Max Taubner ( http://irishsavant.blogspot.ca/2011/11/ ... ubner.html ).

Note should be taken of the habit of Jews to speak in codes and therefore believing that everybody else does the same. In a certain macabre way, both the Nazis and the Commies kept extremely detailed reports of all their activities. if for no other reason than to cover their asses vis-a-vis their superiors. Punishment of your own troops who went against orders or mistreated prisoners often ended in execution in order to prevent chaos in their command. This was especially true when the cruelty applied was gratuitous. The Jews do not like to talk about such facts as they would all destroy the whole myth of the holohoax.

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Re: two British decodes of Police Batallion 320

Postby Hannover » 2 years 6 months ago (Sun Apr 05, 2015 12:14 am)

Thames Darwin wrote:
Hannover wrote:And recall from earlier posts in his thread that it's claimed that S.S. Obergruppenführer Kurt Daulege (by telepathy & osmosis) told his men not to list 'Juden'


That would be an interesting point if Daluege had any authority over Jaeger, but he didn't. Daluege was Orpo; Jaeger was Einsatzgruppen. Different chains of command, but I suppose you knew that.

The document is laughable, as I showed


I got it. Two documents mention Jews being shot, so one must be talking about partisans and the other must be a fake. It certainly couldn't be that the overtly anti-Semitic Nazis would dare harm innocent Jews. Goodness no.

Glad that's clear!

- Clearly, as I demonstrated, the "Jaeger report' photo posted is a laughable fake for the numerous reasons I mentioned.
Thames Darwin cannot even rebut my take down of it.

- The British decodes docs, while being real documents made in Britain, not by Germans, only mention shooting in the context of legal anti-partisan operations which everyone agrees did occur, there we anti-partisan operations. The actual numbers in those documents seem suspect, for reasons I previously mentioned, and their are no mass graves to support them, even though the exact locations of such mass graves are claimed to be known. That dog, don't hunt.

- It's not a matter of Daluege himself having authority over Jaeger, it's that the SS had authority over both Daluege, Jaeger, and their men in the field.
In lieu of the claim that the SS, supposedly after Churchill's speech, instructed one group in the field not to list Jews in their reports because they wanted to hide it, while allowing Jaeger and the einsatzgruppen to continue to list Jews in reports is patently ridiculous. It wouldn't have happened.The contradiction is blatant. It's simply a case where the stories do not fit. They don't fit because the basic narrative is a fraud.
All of that is just another example of vastly the contradictory nature of the impossible 'holocaust' storyline.

Thames Darwin is still unable to prove mass shootings of Jews just because they were Jews.
And now a frustrated Thames Darwin is left making claims of 'antisemitism' against the 'Nazis' which no one questions.
A person or group being 'antisemitic' does not mean that they engaged in mass shootings of noncombatant Jews.

And again, no mass graves as alleged, no 'holocaust'.

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Re: two British decodes of Police Batallion 320

Postby blacksmith » 2 years 6 months ago (Sun Apr 05, 2015 8:57 am)

Hi Hannover,

I have not been following your discourse with Thames Darwin but what it looks like that Darwin is saying: "My mind is made up don't confuse me with facts "In other words, Bullshit Baffles Brains, or as some other people might put it, The more outrageous a lie is the more believable it becomes.

The Jews have been applying this principle since the beginning of time. Point in case the Torah and the Bible. Even though Jewish archaeologists keep trying they have great difficulty in proving any of the stories found in their bible. What sane person can believe the garbage that an non-existent Jew, Moses, led the Jewish slaves from Egypt, all 640,000 of them and after wondering for forty years in the desert they got to the promised land.

Other Jewish archaeologists point out that slaves from Egypt did in fact arrive in the promised land but they were stragglers from another tribe, who had a god name yahoo. They met with a tribe which had a god called Yahweh and decided to combine their tribes based on a similar sounding named god.

That the Israelites were an insignificant tribe shows on an Egyptian stele, where among all the writings about a major victory over their enemy in the East only ONE LINE was devoted to the destruction of a tribe called Israel.

The Jew, when not inventing their history, they freely stole from the history of other nations making it their own. So, I find nothing surprising in the Jews inventing and re-inventing the story of the holocaust in order to solidify their status of historical importance. May be some scholars of the holocaust subject might remember the origin of the holocaust story. To the best of my recollection, some young Jewish lawyers trying to make out that WW II was fought because of the Jews came up with the idea of mass extermination of the Jewish population of Europe. Of course, in typical Jewish fashion, they "borrowed" or one might say reinvented that idea from the 6 million who would not be allowed to enter Israel. So for thousand of years the Jews waited for the perfect opportunity to make use of that story and the KZ camps in the Russian occupied zones gave them that chance. Since no Western Allied Soldiers entered the Soviet occupied territories and it suited the Russians to have such a story spread about, the Holocaust was born. You must admire the patience of the Jews.

It used to be that on every street corner there was built a church, and now their is Museum of Tolerance, where we are forced to worship, on the pain of incarceration. We must not offend the memory of the victims of this grand occasion even by doubting the self evidence of such an invented story. Of course, history marches on, and even the Jews themselves have to admit that they lied when it came to the numbers of people dying in Auschwitz. We shall pretty soon declare that the numbers declared by the Red Cross are the closest to the actual number of deaths in the KZs.

My personal thanks to Zündel, Germar and all the other brave fighters for truth and the restitution of German pride.

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Re: two British decodes of Police Batallion 320

Postby Hektor » 2 years 6 months ago (Sun Apr 05, 2015 9:18 am)

blacksmith wrote:Hi Hanover,

I personally saw extremely accurate German records from KZ Dora, where every kindof punishment was clearly detailed in their records: some were put in solitary, some were whipped and of course some were shot. There was a demand from Berlin to account for all activities relating to the punishment of the inmates and if any soldier or commandant over stepped his authority and punished prisoners with extreme cruelty or without reason those soldiers/SS men were severely punished. See the case of Max Taubner ( http://irishsavant.blogspot.ca/2011/11/ ... ubner.html ).
...

I recall there were some problems with the records on the Taubner case.
Nizkorite Taubner And also discussing elsewhere long ago.
There are however other cases of punishment of SS-men for crimes against prisoners.

Any document should at least fulfill some minimum requirements like testable signatures, SS-runes, if it's a SS document, correct form, correct German, etc. The Jaeger Report doesn't. But then those claiming it to be authentic are even to stupid to see the mistakes the forgers made with the Stahlecker map.

As for the decodes that's something the British produced. In such cases it needs to be corroborated with other evidence. In the end this would be physical evidence of actions described. And if there were any credible physical traces, the Blobel magic excuse wouldn't be utilized. We would be shown the physical evidence, like the Germans did in the Katyn case.

Instead we are presented with Soviet witnesses to "Babi Yar" like in this agitprop movie:
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https://archive.org/details/SovietPropa ... sShootings

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Re: two British decodes of Police Batallion 320

Postby borjastick » 2 years 6 months ago (Sun Apr 05, 2015 10:03 am)

Blacksmith makes a very good point or two in an enjoyable post.

The Jews have been applying this principle since the beginning of time. Point in case the Torah and the Bible. Even though Jewish archaeologists keep trying they have great difficulty in proving any of the stories found in their bible. What sane person can believe the garbage that an non-existent Jew, Moses, led the Jewish slaves from Egypt, all 640,000 of them and after wondering for forty years in the desert they got to the promised land.


I am not really religious but have become more interested in the subject precisely because of my interest in the holocaust. I have seen various papers and youtube films which seem to totally trash the 'exodus' as a made up good idea dreamed up by a bunch of losers called the Peoples Front for the Liberation of Jews. They were sitting there a couple of thousand years ago tossing stones into a bowl and wondering why their tribe were such a bunch of tossers getting nowhere fast.

There appears to be no proof of the Exodus and seemingly the claim of 600,000 men strolling around the desert for forty years is about as solid as the impression these men left on the surface of the earth. I mean why would you believe anyone who tells you that 600,000 men got lost in the desert for forty years before finding the Promised Land?

They tell very good stories and make up history better than a twelve year old in the school playground trying not to get beaten up by the school toughie.

The same applies to the holocaust. They were very fortunate and opportunistic when a confluence of circumstances (Hitler, Poland, the jews in the west and possible war) came along and afforded them a one off chance to gain, via their own mass murder and unique suffering, the Promised Land as apparently given to them by their own God.

The story is full of holes though and one is left asking WTF they were up to in the previous thousand years when they could have taken the whole damn lot from the Euphrates across without anyone knowing or indeed objecting. And people say the jews are good at business. Well they aren't so good at real estate.

As I have said before here as have many others, modern judaism nearly became extinct a couple of hundred years ago. The holocaust was not only a massive confidence trick perpetrated on the gullible of the western world but it completely re-invented the religion and its raison d'etre.

Without the holocaust the jews would have evaporated into the rest of the world. I mean 15m into 7 billion dissolves fairly quickly.

Without the holocaust Israel would never have happened.

So as we reach the critical mass in our education of the world, as we approach tipping point what will become of the jews and more importantly Israel?

Netanyahu is to be remembered as the man who drove the final nail in the coffin of a land called israel, stolen from the indigenous arabs who had lived there for perhaps millenia.

You have to hand it to them, they are monumentally good at deception and lies. We have proved over and over and over again that the claims of six million dead in the holocaust are complete bunkum.

Why do the holocaust proponents hate to come here and state their case?

This has been an amazing period in holocaust revisionism and we will win. The truth will out. It always does.
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Re: two British decodes of Police Batallion 320

Postby blacksmith » 2 years 6 months ago (Sun Apr 05, 2015 1:17 pm)

Most interesting observations Borjastick,

You are quite right in stating that Jews stick to a point ad nauseam in fact long past everyone else, who got bored with the subject. They will repeat and repeat their lies irrespective of the fact whether anyone believes them or even cares about them. Look at Natanyahu he keeps on insisting that there is such a thing as a Jewish state and everyone should recognize it. It does not bother him one iota even their patron, the USA is swinging away from him. He keeps on repeating Jewish state over and over. But now the other principle about Jews comes into play: Give the Jew enough rope and he will hang himself. You just watch!!!

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Re: two British decodes of Police Batallion 320

Postby Moderator » 2 years 6 months ago (Sun Apr 05, 2015 1:59 pm)

OK, gents, interesting observations, but the topic of this thread is ' two British decodes of Police Batallion 320'. Anything else must be closely related.
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Re: two British decodes of Police Batallion 320

Postby Thames Darwin » 2 years 6 months ago (Sun Apr 05, 2015 5:01 pm)

Hannover wrote:- Clearly, as I demonstrated, the "Jaeger report' photo posted is a laughable fake for the numerous reasons I mentioned. Thames Darwin cannot even rebut my take down of it.


I believe your points were the following:

* The communist Soviets found the 'Jaeger Report' fifteen years after the alleged event.

Not exactly. The Soviets had the document before the war ended, having acquired it when they pushed the Nazis out of Kaunas. They didn't provide a copy of it to W. Germany until 1963, four years after Jäger died, which would be 22 years after the original events, but that's because W. Germany hadn't even arrested Jäger until 1959, which they did in a lead up to trying several war criminals, not to mention specific trials for each death camp. I know you guys love Nuremberg, but it wasn't the only trial.

* Karl Jaeger curiously 'committed suicide' on 22 June 1959, how convenient.

If this is an imputation that he was murdered, then you should say so, and you should go on to prove it. People commit suicide in custody all the time -- Göring did so, don't forget. So did Ley.

* The so called 'Jaeger Report' has the smell of yet another communist Soviet forgery for which they were notorious.

Again, this would require proof. Perhaps you could offer three such examples, which would constitute a pattern.

The British decodes docs, while being real documents made in Britain, not by Germans, only mention shooting in the context of legal anti-partisan operations which everyone agrees did occur, there we anti-partisan operations.


You haven't proved that by a longshot. The mere fact of partisans being shot and Jews being shot being mentioned on the same page of text doesn't prove the events were related beyond the perpetrators; after all, this is an Orpo report, so it details actions by individual police battalions, which is sort of the point. That's why the report mentions SS policemen injured by a land mine and their car being destroyed; clearly, they weren't partisans.

The actual numbers in those documents seem suspect, for reasons I previously mentioned, and their are no mass graves to support them, even though the exact locations of such mass graves are claimed to be known. That dog, don't hunt.


Repeating the same false thing doesn't make it true.

It's not a matter of Daluege himself having authority over Jaeger, it's that the SS had authority over both Daluege, Jaeger, and their men in the field.


This is a statement that indicates an epic lack of understanding of the way things actually were in the field. The Einsatzgruppen answered to Heydrich, who, while under Himmler, nevertheless operated with immense personal freedom. The Orpo reported to Himmler directly.

More importantly, regarding Churchill's speech, only the Orpo code had been broken at that point; most historians agree that the actions of the Einsatzgruppen at this time were probably still unknown to the U.K.

In lieu of the claim that the SS, supposedly after Churchill's speech, instructed one group in the field not to list Jews in their reports because they wanted to hide it, while allowing Jaeger and the einsatzgruppen to continue to list Jews in reports is patently ridiculous. It wouldn't have happened.The contradiction is blatant. It's simply a case where the stories do not fit. They don't fit because the basic narrative is a fraud.


See above on this point. You simply don't have any idea what you're talking about. The SS was far too large by 1941 for a single person or even agency within the SS to be dictating a whole policy. Add that there was a war going on and an area of operations, which including not just the Orpo and the Einsatzgruppen, but divisions of the Waffen-SS and the army to boot, and you might got a tiny little sense that what you're suggesting isn't true.

Moreover, many revisionists seem to believe that Nazi Germany was a firmly top-down power structure and that this continued into the war. All the evidence suggests that this isn't true at all. Virtually nobody with any credibility believes this anymore.

Thames Darwin is still unable to prove mass shootings of Jews just because they were Jews.
And now a frustrated Thames Darwin is left making claims of 'antisemitism' against the 'Nazis' which no one questions.
A person or group being 'antisemitic' does not mean that they engaged in mass shootings of noncombatant Jews.


Bottom line this for me, please. Did the Nazis ever shoot anyone without a good reason, in your opinion? Because if the answer is 'no,' then there's no reason to discuss this any further.

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Re: two British decodes of Police Batallion 320

Postby Hannover » 2 years 6 months ago (Mon Apr 06, 2015 4:23 pm)

I've already proven the Jaeger Report is a fake with the many points I mentioned earlier in this thread, which you dodged, yet again.
Please read the threads you post to.
again:
- It's nothing more than something anybody could have typed?
- A list of supposed Jews, so what?
- Sheet 6 of what?
- Why only sheet 6?
- No cover / title page.
- No official markings.
- No signature.
- A questionable Bundesarchiv Bild no. added to the side, by whom?
- No Bundesarchiv stamps.
- It's nothing more than a photograph (bild) of a bogus document typed by anyone to mean whatever they wanted, it would be laughed out of court.
- A photo of a bogus document is still a bogus document
- Was it ever used in any trial?
- If so, what trial?


How the fake document was acquired is nonsense since is it is an obvious fake which would be laughed out of court.

Yes, Jaeger's alleged "suicide" stinks to high heaven.
We have excellent threads on these "suicides":
Brief List of the (very) Conveniently Deceased
Curious "Suicides"

Still waiting for your prove the decode on partisans is proof of Jews being shot because they were Jews and not part of the partisans.
I have shown that other groups besides Jews were listed separately in the partisan action reports. You dodged that too.

Your absurdity about the SS not passing on information from a Churchill speech is just not credible.

I can see it now, 'OK guys, even though we monitor Churchill speeches and consequently act upon important information, it's quite OK if only Hr. Daluege sends out a message that we think will be monitored by the British, to just a couple of guys in the field, we don't mind if this message blows our cover about our top secret extermination of Jews.'

And the fact Daluege never even mentions Jews in this alleged message makes the absurdity even worse.
Thames Darwin your position is lacking in every regard, and it is you who does not know how the SS or any wartime forces work.

Not to mention your laughable 'mass graves' that are being demolished as we speak here:
Alleged mass graves photos according to Thames Darwin

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The 'holocaust' storyline is one of the most easily debunked narratives ever contrived. That is why those who question it are arrested and persecuted. That is why violent, racist, & privileged Jewish supremacists demand censorship. What sort of truth is it that crushes the freedom to seek the truth? Truth needs no protection from scrutiny.
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Re: two British decodes of Police Batallion 320

Postby Hektor » 2 years 5 months ago (Sat May 02, 2015 8:23 am)

Thames Darwin wrote:
Hannover wrote:....

* The so called 'Jaeger Report' has the smell of yet another communist Soviet forgery for which they were notorious.

Again, this would require proof. Perhaps you could offer three such examples, which would constitute a pattern.
....

LOL, constitute a pattern. How much evidence for soviet forgeries do you want?

STATE DEPT. CITES SOVIET 'FORGERIES'
By CHARLES MOHR, Special to the New York Times
Published: December 9, 1981

WASHINGTON, Dec. 8— The State Department drew attention today to the appearance in various parts of the world in recent months of forgeries apparently intended to discredit United States foreign policy, and attributed some of the forgeries to the Soviet Union.
http://www.nytimes.com/1981/12/09/world ... eries.html

CW Porter identified some:
http://www.cwporter.com/g470ussr.htm
http://www.cwporter.com/uc.htm

There are even memoranda on that:
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https://archive.org/details/USDepartmen ... nForgeries

Some famous Soviet photo forgery:
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Soviet forgeries everywhere, just not in the Holocaust, wherein they had a vital interest, right?

Soviet Forgeries have been debated previously here:
The Soviet and American documentary forgery factories


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