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Holo. Industy's Most Commonly Used Lies / False Arguments

Postby Hannover » 4 years 2 months ago (Fri Apr 10, 2015 1:47 pm)

Having recently looked at the racist / Zionist Anti-Defamation League's (ADL) website I am reminded just how far that those who profit from the impossible 'holocaust' storyline will go in their lies and misinformation about those who dare to research, examine, and speak up about the 'holocaust' storyline.

In this thread I'd like to see what forum participants think are the most commonly used lies, false strawman arguments, etc. in use by those who desperately want to stop free speech and free inquiry regarding the alleged narrative.

I'll start with two classics:

1. 'holocaust deniers' must also believe in a flat earth.

That's really a simple case of projection by the 'holocaust' Industry. It is Revisionist research that is science based, not dependent on bizarre, impossible, & contradictory "survivor" assertions. It is the Revisionists who have exposed utter scientific impossibility of the storyline. It is Revisionists who demand that standards which are applied to other historical events be equally applied when examining the 'holocaust' storyline.
If what Revisionst research says about the 'holocaust' narrative is equivalent to believing in a 'flat earth' then why are there laws against so called 'holocaust denial'? Why are Revisionists arrested, beaten, denied employment, harassed, threatened, intimidated, persecuted, denied their human rights of free speech & free inquiry?

2. Those that question the 'holocaust' storyline also believe that slavery never happened.

This is nothing less than subject changing. All revisionists accept the reality of slavery, it has no bearing whatsover on the impossible 'holocaust' narrative. It's also attempt to suggest that Revisionists are racists who 'deny' past enslavement of blacks. It's a blatant attempt at 'vote buying' in their efforts to cloud the real issue at hand, that being the ridiculous and impossible '6M & gas chambers'.

More examples welcomed.

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The 'holocaust' storyline is one of the most easily debunked narratives ever contrived. That is why those who question it are arrested and persecuted. That is why violent, racist, & privileged Jewish supremacists demand censorship. What sort of truth is it that crushes the freedom to seek the truth? Truth needs no protection from scrutiny.
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Re:Holo. Industy's Most Commonly Used Lies / False Arguments

Postby Hektor » 4 years 2 months ago (Fri Apr 10, 2015 3:28 pm)

To add one issue quickly:
3. The pictures from Western camps like Belsen, Dachau, Buchenwald prove Holocaust.
In more detailed arguments the suggestion is made that the pictures of emaciated people or corpses are proof for an extermination program by the German utilizing gas chambers. The trick is the shock effect from seeing suffering or dead people. Real cause and effect, background, circumstances are then rarely inquired or questioned.

Of course it's pretty clear that the Allies wanted to use the pictures for atrocity propaganda:
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Crossman SUPREME HEADQUARTERS ALLIED EXPEDITIONARY FORCE Psychological Warfare Division CONFIDENTIAL 12 May 1945. Personal File DACHAU CONCENTRATION CAMP (Report on a two-day visit, 1-2 May)

1. INTRODUCTION
The purpose of the visit to Dachau was to obtain documentary and photographic material directly after liberation for a motion picture on German atrocities to be shown in Germany. The material presented here, gathered in the disordered conditions of the second and third days of liberation, should therefore be read only as a preliminary report. 2. DACHAU'S SIZE AND PLANT The Dachau penal and correctional institution consists of a main camp (STAMMLAGER) surrounded by several subsidiary or work camps (UNTERLAGER), all situated on land owned or leased by the SS. The central Dachau compound, about ten acres in size, encloses some twenty-five semi-permanent prisoner barracks buildings, a permanent block of prison cells, an isolated barracks (known as the EHRENBUNKER) for special political prisoners receiving preferential treatment, kitchens, warehouses, guard rooms, special rooms used for corporal punishments, tortures, and medical experiments on prisoners, and a three-acre yard. In a special stockade outside the compound proper are the crematory, gas chamber, and war-dog kennels. A complex of SS and Waffen-SS administration buildings and warehouses abutts on the camp. 3. NUMBER AND TYPES OF INMATES At the time of liberation, about 65,000 prisoners were being carried on the Dachau roll, of whom 32,000 were housed in the main compound. Although the largest single national representation was Polish, men from every European state were present, including 5,660 Germans. Highly conflicting statements on the ratio of criminal to political prisoners were obtained; a United States officer assigned to the Camp Review Board explained that numerous non-German convicted criminals, on having refused the invitation to join the Wehrmacht had been transferred to the status of political prisoners. At the other end of the scale, among the inmates interviewed on 1 and 2 May were several Canadian paratroop officers, a Czech newspaper and motion-picture editor (Paul HUSAREK), the former Berlin correspondent of the Havas Agency (M. RAVOUX), a German Communist organizer who had spent twelve years at Dachau (George BIEBER), an Austrian aristocrat (Count LODRON), an Albanian Cabinet member (Ali KUCI), the former Polish Consul General in Munich (GRABINSKY) and a British Naval Officer (Lieut. Comdr. Patrick OREARY). The French General DELESTRAINT, also an inmate, had reportedly been executed two days before Dachau's liberation. A group of especially well-known prisoners, including Martin NIEMOELLER, formerly quartered in a special barracks, had been removed late in April to the camp at Innsbruck. About 450 women were at Dachau, also quartered apart. Among these was stated to be the widow of Field Marshal von WITZLEBEN. 4. LIVING CONDITIONS It was stated that the Dachau main compound, now holding 32,000 prisoners, had been designed to house a maximum of 10,000. Overcrowding had been aggravated during April by the arrival of some 15,000 evacuees from the Buchenwald, Auschwitz, and Kaufering camps. The bread ration CONFIDENTIAL
https://archive.org/details/WilliamHarl ... CampReport

Now what would a psychological warfare division want to do with "documentary" and "photographic" material.

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Re: Holo. Industy's Most Commonly Used Lies / False Argument

Postby Carto's Cutlass Supreme » 4 years 2 months ago (Fri Apr 10, 2015 4:52 pm)

4) It's one of the most well-documented events in human history, because the Germans kept meticulous records.

Deborah Lipstadt said this at an anti-holocaust denial conference in Ireland a few years ago

5) Holocaust Denial is a form of anti-semitism. Based on hate.

A particularly virulent form. Wikipedia categorizes holocaust denial as an aspect of anti-semitism.

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Re: Holo. Industy's Most Commonly Used Lies / False Argument

Postby Mulegino1 » 4 years 2 months ago (Fri Apr 10, 2015 5:47 pm)

Hannover wrote:Having recently looked at the racist / Zionist Anti-Defamation League's (ADL) website I am reminded just how far that those who profit from the impossible 'holocaust' storyline will go in their lies and misinformation about those who dare to research, examine, and speak up about the 'holocaust' storyline.

In this thread I'd like to see what forum participants think are the most commonly used lies, false strawman arguments, etc. in use by those who desperately want to stop free speech and free inquiry regarding the alleged narrative.

I'll start with two classics:

1. 'holocaust deniers' must also believe in a flat earth.

That's really a simple case of projection by the 'holocaust' Industry. It is Revisionist research that is science based, not dependent on bizarre, impossible, & contradictory "survivor" assertions. It is the Revisionists who have exposed utter scientific impossibility of the storyline. It is Revisionists who demand that standards which are applied to other historical events be equally applied when examining the 'holocaust' storyline.
If what Revisionst research says about the 'holocaust' narrative is equivalent to believing in a 'flat earth' then why are there laws against so called 'holocaust denial'? Why are Revisionists arrested, beaten, denied employment, harassed, threatened, intimidated, persecuted, denied their human rights of free speech & free inquiry?

2. Those that question the 'holocaust' storyline also believe that slavery never happened.

This is nothing less than subject changing. All revisionists accept the reality of slavery, it has no bearing whatsover on the impossible 'holocaust' narrative. It's also attempt to suggest that Revisionists are racists who 'deny' past enslavement of blacks. It's a blatant attempt at 'vote buying' in their efforts to cloud the real issue at hand, that being the ridiculous and impossible '6M & gas chambers'.

More examples welcomed.

- Hannover

The 'holocaust' storyline is one of the most easily debunked narratives ever contrived. That is why those who question it are arrested and persecuted. That is why violent, racist, & privileged Jewish supremacists demand censorship. What sort of truth is it that crushes the freedom to seek the truth? Truth needs no protection from scrutiny.
The tide is turning.


My favorite is the one by then French "intellectuals": "It cannot be questioned if the account of the gas chambers is technically possible; it is technically possible because it happened." :lol:

These fools apparently do not understand what a tautology is or what the difference is between a self-evident truth-such as the principle of contradiction- and a contingent fact based historical narrative whose truth or falsehood is wholly dependent upon the existence of physical and documentary evidence or the lack thereof.

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Postby Inquisitor » 4 years 2 months ago (Sat Apr 11, 2015 5:23 am)

We have to mention:

1) The various "confessions" by this person or that - especially those by a Hoess or the like. That these "confessions were invariably extracted by all manner of tortures(physical and mental), and no doubt, more than a couple instances of bribery and/or promises of freedom from prosecution/lighter sentences, etc, is never mentioned by the usual suspects.

2) The supposed proclamations in public speeches by Hitler to "exterminate" the Jews, etc, based on intentional/deceitful mistranslations of the language. At once we are supposed to believe all this "holocaust" business was an ultra-super-top secret operation...yet at the same time, we are told Hitler openly declared his intention to "exterminate" Jews right from the war's onset!


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Re: Holo. Industy's Most Commonly Used Lies / False Argument

Postby Hektor » 4 years 2 months ago (Sat Apr 11, 2015 10:02 am)

Talking about testimony and confessions. Typical disinformation is then also the following:
6.) "No Nazi ever denied the Holocaust."
Well, they did and I think we got a special thread on this.*
What the gullible ignore is the fact that only agreeable witnesses are shown in the media. The vast amount of people that didn't notice anything, while being around is almost never mentioned.

*[see: quora.com / Tim O'Neill: Nazis never denied 'holocaust' M1]

7.) "Trials against war criminals prove the Holocaust".
Which does have two or more distinct categories as in:
a) "The Nuremberg Trial did prove the Holocaust"
b) "The German post war trials prove the Holocaust.

On a general note trials got to prove specific guilt of specific accused.
As for a), it seems the Believers rarely read the IMT minutes from Nuremberg. Evidence given is circumstantial or dubious at best. In fact lot's of it is difficult to reconcile with the Holocaust narrative.

As for b), take the Frankfurter Auschwitz Trial for example. Several witnesses claim no knowledge of homicidal gassings, including high ranking SS-members. Others claim to have had heard rumors of it, while again others claim it as fact. What is however interesting is the courts admission that proof was on very thin ice:
"Denn dem Gericht fehlten fast alle in einem normalen Mordprozess zur Verfügung stehenden Erkenntnismöglichkeiten, um sich ein getreues Bild des tatsächlichen Geschehens im Zeitpunkt des Mordes zu verschaffen. Es fehlten die Leichen der Opfer, Obduktionsprotokolle, Gutachten von Sachverständigen über die Ursache des Todes und die Todesstunde, es fehlten Spuren der Täter, Mordwaffen usw. Eine Überprüfung der Zeugenaussagen war nur in seltenen Fällen möglich."
http://www.junsv.nl/cgi/t/text/text-idx ... 1%3A6.2.54
To summarize it in English:
Normal evidence for a murder trial was missing, no corpses, no autopsy reports, no expert reports on cause and time of death, no traces of perpetrators, murder weapons, etc. Testing the witness statements was rarely possible.

Normally such cases would have been thrown out of court, but there was political pressure to convict. As evidence the trials have only theatrical value to support the Holocaust narrative. It's open to criticism and scrutiny, which does make it fail as evidence, for that reason does criticizing and scrutinizing it are jailed and robbed of their right to defense.

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Re: Holo. Industy's Most Commonly Used Lies / False Argument

Postby unsubscribe » 4 years 2 months ago (Sat Apr 11, 2015 10:04 am)

Any instance where the Holo. Industry can't actually produce the evidence...

"It was destroyed."

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Re: Holo. Industy's Most Commonly Used Lies / False Argument

Postby Brainscan2015 » 4 years 2 months ago (Sat Apr 11, 2015 11:13 am)

They found mass graves in belzec.

But did they find anything close to 600,000 ashes and bone fragments?

Finding graves should be expected. People died of typhus in the camps.

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Re: Holo. Industy's Most Commonly Used Lies / False Argument

Postby Hannover » 4 years 2 months ago (Sat Apr 11, 2015 12:05 pm)

Brainscan2015 wrote:They found mass graves in belzec.

But did they find anything close to 600,000 ashes and bone fragments?

Finding graves should be expected. People died of typhus in the camps.

What "mass graves" in Belzec"?
Please show them.

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Re: Holo. Industy's Most Commonly Used Lies / False Argument

Postby Brainscan2015 » 4 years 2 months ago (Sat Apr 11, 2015 12:11 pm)

you didn't know there was an excavation of belzec done by some weak wimp named Kola? They found 33 graves. They weren't "mass graves".

But this should be expected since people died of typhus in the camps.

And they did not find anywhere near the amount of bodies or charred remains of 600,000 people.

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Re: Holo. Industy's Most Commonly Used Lies / False Argument

Postby Hannover » 4 years 2 months ago (Sat Apr 11, 2015 12:31 pm)

Brainscan2015 wrote:you didn't know there was an excavation of belzec done by some weak wimp named Kola? They found 33 graves. They weren't "mass graves".
But this should be expected since people died of typhus in the camps.
And they did not find anywhere near the amount of bodies or charred remains of 600,000 people.

Then do not claim the existence of mass graves.
For the sake of accuracy please note that those "33 graves" have never been shown, only claimed.
recommended:
Kola Report about Belzec
Belzec: a fraudulent excavation
Belzec/Kola - Going to extremes to sell the lie

In general, I get your point, mass graves are certainly & falsely alleged; but when challenged they cannot be shown. Not a single one of the enormous mass graves as alleged can be shown, not one.
Classic example here:
Alleged mass graves photos according to Thames Darwin

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The 'holocaust' storyline is one of the most easily debunked narratives ever contrived. That is why those who question it are arrested and persecuted. That is why violent, racist, & privileged Jewish supremacists demand censorship. What sort of truth is it that crushes the freedom to seek the truth? Truth needs no protection from scrutiny.
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If it can't happen as alleged, then it didn't.

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Re: Holo. Industy's Most Commonly Used Lies / False Argument

Postby Brainscan2015 » 4 years 2 months ago (Sat Apr 11, 2015 12:46 pm)

by shown do you mean the study was fraudulent and did not take PHOTOS of the mass graves?

How exactly was it fraudulent?

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Re: Holo. Industy's Most Commonly Used Lies / False Argument

Postby Hannover » 4 years 2 months ago (Sat Apr 11, 2015 1:44 pm)

Brainscan2015 wrote:by shown do you mean the study was fraudulent and did not take PHOTOS of the mass graves?

How exactly was it fraudulent?

I gave you links which explain all of that, post there to continue that debate.

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The 'holocaust' storyline is one of the most easily debunked narratives ever contrived. That is why those who question it are arrested and persecuted. That is why violent, racist, & privileged Jewish supremacists demand censorship. What sort of truth is it that crushes the freedom to seek the truth? Truth needs no protection from scrutiny.
The tide is turning.
If it can't happen as alleged, then it didn't.

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Re: Holo. Industy's Most Commonly Used Lies / False Argument

Postby Brainscan2015 » 4 years 2 months ago (Sat Apr 11, 2015 3:23 pm)

you are unclear in the threads when you say they didn't "show" the graves. are you saying weak wimp kola didn't take a picture?

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Re: Holo. Industy's Most Commonly Used Lies / False Argument

Postby Speeder » 4 years 2 months ago (Sat Apr 11, 2015 4:20 pm)

Kola took no photographs (that have been published) that show the existance of mass graves at Belzec, the best you get is a written report mentioning that he found fat, ash and smell of decay at various locations where he conducted hand held boring upon the topography of the camp.

The best he was able to present was were a few photographs of "artifacts" found at the scene along with some pen and ink drawings which he "believed" showed the outlines of the "graves" he thought he had found,

Its too late now to find out more as the site was covered in basalt rubble to prevent further excavation and his "report" was supposed to be the definitve document on this camp.

As you will be aware a few pen and ink drawings of outlines of where graves may be do not neccessarily prove the existance of graves especially when such sites were not allowed to be excavted fully at the time for "religious reasons" or can now be excavated due to 1000's of tons of basalt being dumped over the camp site.

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