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News! The 'Who Remembers Armenians' Lie Debunked / forgery

Postby Hannover » 1 decade 5 years ago (Tue Mar 30, 2004 3:18 pm)

An alleged statement by Hitler supposedly referring to the alleged Armenian genocide is used by the 'holocau$t' Industry as means of getting back door support for their claims; it also baits Armenians to support the judeo-supremacist/Zionist cause. Have a look here as that canard bites the dust.

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An Armenian Deception: "Who remembers Armenians? - Adolf Hitler"

Historian of Armenian Descent Says Frequently Used Hitler Quote Is Nothing But a Forgery

http://www.atmg.org/ArmenianDeception.html

Baden-Baden, W. Germany - Dr. Robert John, a historian and political analyst of Armenian descent from New York City, declared here that a commonly used quotation of an alleged statement by Adolf Hitler concerning the Armenian massacres was a forgery and should not be used.

Dr. John demonstrated how he had traced the original document in the Military Branch of the National Archives of the U.S.A. after being handed a folder bearing the quotation at a rally outside the United Nations building in New York following the Turkish invasion of Cyprus.

The quotation: "Our strength is in our quickness and our brutality.... For the time being I have sent to the east only Death's Heads units, with the order to kill without pity or mercy all men, women and children... Who talks nowadays of the extermination of the Armenians?"

Dr. John showed slides of this document, undated and unsigned, with some words cut out of the last page. The statement was supposed to have been made at a meeting of the top German staff of the Obersalzberg on August 22, 1939. The document was released to the international press covering the Nuremberg War Crimes trials on Friday, November 23, 1945. The trials had commenced that Monday.

The document was one of several made available to the press that day. Two-hundred-fifty copies were given to press correspondents, but only five copies were given to the 17 defense counsels - 24 hours before the Court convened on Monday!

Much later in the trial, the German defense lawyers were able to introduce the most complete account of the address, taken down by German Admiral Hermann Boehm, which runs to 12 pages in translation. There is no mention of the Armenians or the rest of the "quotation."

Dr. Robert John said he believed that the document was introduced to create a climate of hate which was needed to stifle the protests of eminent American jurists such as Sen. R. Taft and Chief Justice Harland Stone. He had discussed it with Gen. Telford Taylor, who had said, "I know the document you mean, I don't know its provenance, and I have not used it in my own work."

"We all believe that violence breeds violence," said Dr. John. "There has been an increase in Armenian violence since this false inflammatory statement was given publicly. Films like 'The Day After' are a form of violence, and should not be shown to children - who are unable to evaluate their content. Films about the "Holocaust" are a form of violence and are harmful to us as well as to Jews. There is a high probability that the surprising violence and brutality shown by the Israelis towards the Palestinians, may be a result of being frequently exposed to these old scenes. Just as parents who abuse their children have often been abused themselves."

Dr. John briefly traced the history of atrocity propaganda, particularly from the British - and later - American view. Real atrocities certainly occurred, but the deliberate fabrication and dissemination of atrocity stories increased the probability of their occurring. "Hate hurts the hater and hated. We are still living in the haze of distortions and actual horrors which occurred so long ago." he commented.

"The time has come to stop psychologically damaging ourselves and our children by "Holocaust studies" and Holocaust" museums," he continued. "The Armenian, the Jew, or the African, should not damage their development with a continual conditioning of hate, neither should spurious guilt be visited upon others. These negative preoccupations and obsessions are obstructing our evolution."

Dr. John, whose paper is entitled "Information and Misinformation," hails from Armenian parents who moved from New Julla, Iran to India. His father changed his name from Hovhanes to "John," and subsequently the family moved to England. Dr. John studies law in England and holds a doctoral degree in political science from London University. He is presently a contributor to the London, England based The Middle East Magazine monthly, and in addition to giving lectures, is a frequent contributor to numerous magazines and publications. He is also the author of Palestine Diary, and specializes in Middle Eastern issues, including the Palestinian issue.

From The Armenian Reporter, Vol. XVII, NO. 40 August 2, 1984
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Postby Hannover » 1 decade 5 years ago (Tue Mar 30, 2004 3:21 pm)

In addition, an earlier thread on that topic:

http://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?t=624

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Postby TruthSeeker » 1 decade 5 years ago (Tue Mar 30, 2004 7:32 pm)

Interesting post, Hannover. There has been much talk about that statement, and many exterminationists use that as "proof" that Hitler had planned for and ordered the exterminations. And Armenians these days claim that just because Hitler ALLEGEDLY said this must mean that the Armenian genocide did take place. It works both ways. I suppose it satisfies both sides.

I must also add that despite the fact that I am half-Armenian, I do not know much about the Armenian genocide and therefore I do not claim that it happened. I don't deny it either. I have my doubts about it though. Armenian claims could've been as fake as the Jewish claims and population numbers and victim numbers, to prove that Armenians were massacred. Armenians wanted a nation. Jews did too. Sound familiar? Anyway, truth matters more than national identity when it comes to revisionism. And the only way to the truth is through an unbiased study of a certain case.

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Postby Sannhet » 1 decade 5 years ago (Tue Mar 30, 2004 9:30 pm)

Truthseeker: With regard to the Armenian genocide, the bodies of the thousands upon thousands of dead were recovered. The same for Rwanda and Cambodia. They have physical proof of massacres, not sketchy witnesses or allegations or phony stories about industrialized killing in gas chambers.

I'm sure someone has done a case study comparing the Rwandan genocide and the Jewish Holocaust, as it has been nearly 10 years now since the former. The most obvious difference between the two would be that the genocide in Rwanda can be proven because we have the skulls of hundreds of thousands of people; many of the skulls even have large parts of the skulls smashed in...those people didn't die of famine or disease or Typhus, their deaths are clearly diagnosed as head trauma, just as the story alleges; unlike the jewish Holocaust story (has any doctor ever examined a body of somebody who died in the Holocaust and determined beyond doubt that the person died of inhaling poison gas?). Stories need to be backed up by evidence; the evidence exists in the case of Rwanda, as it exists in the case of the Armenians (the evidence being bodies and skulls). Revisionists are still waiting for evidence of the standard Holocaust story. And if one were to browse the archives of this forum, one would find that the evidence of the standard Holocaust story that is presented is consistently refuted and/or discredited.

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Postby Hannover » 1 decade 5 years ago (Tue Mar 30, 2004 9:51 pm)

Well, I hoped this wouldn't happen, discussion of the alleged Armenian 'genocide' that is; but I don't buy it. Bodies? Ofcourse, there was a civil war with the Turks, lots of people (innocent & not so innocent) were killed on both sides....we never hear about the Turkish losses. There is a big difference between a 'genocide' and a civil uprising which the Armenians lost. Think about the hundreds of thousands of Americans killed in the US Civil War, bodies galore, atrocities, innocent civilians murdered; doesn't mean 'genocide'. It means a bloody civil uprising which wasn't pretty. Also, read the Turkish position for a change. There is zero evidence for the alleged 1,400,000 murdered Armenians that I know of. I may be wrong, but heretofore I have seen nothing to support that number.

Ok, that's it for the Armenians...at least they don't force our children to be brainwashed with their views. That, IMO, is the big difference. If Armenians want to believe in it for ethnic cohesion purposes then so be it. If Jews want to believe in fantasies then so be it. But when people are imprisoned, fine, assaulted, shunned, and discriminated against just because they don't buy some other group's superstition, then we have a problem....hence Revisionism, to set the historical record straight.

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Postby TruthSeeker » 1 decade 5 years ago (Tue Mar 30, 2004 10:24 pm)

Hannover,

My apologies if I took your thread off-topic. My intention was not to discuss the Armenian genocide, just point out the obvious similarities between the position of Jews and that of the Armenians, and the manner in which that alleged statement by Hitler has been used by both sides.
And here is an example of what an Armenian wrote:

Connecting the Armenian genocide to the Jewish holocaust is not a bad idea I don't think. People who have never heard of Armenians will be much more sympathetic to hear what happened as the Jewish event is sooooooo well publicized in the world.


Another reason I compared the two is the fact that there are many bills and motions presented in parliaments that are being debated, and I see this as a dangerous step towards criminalizing the questioning of the Armenian genocide, besides the fact that I don't think it is proven that the Armenian genocide really took place in order that it be RECOGNIZED by governments! It is the same pressurization and anti-revisionist tactics that they are using.

Here's a link (this is prepared by the exterminationist I have been debating with about the holocaust):

http://www.freewebs.com/deniarschallenge/

Notice the title:

A Genocide revisionist in the Canadian Governments Caucus?
A Zündel in our House of Common?


Anyway, getting back on-topic w.r.t the Hitler statement, from what I found, in the Nuremberg Trials, it was referred to as L-3 or Exhibit USA-28. There are text versions of this transcript, but is there a scanned version of it?

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Postby Hannover » 1 decade 5 years ago (Tue Mar 30, 2004 11:07 pm)

The Armenian issue is for another forum, but seeing the same tactics being used as those by the 'holocau$t' Industry does not give me any confidence in their 'facts'; real facts do not need intimidation & threats. Real facts welcome debate & scrutiny.

TruthSeeker, challenge anyone you're debating to come and debate us here on the 'holocaust' as alleged. It's amazing how nervous they become when they realize they can't call people names, dodge, and change the subject. Time & time again we send them packing with their propaganda in tow.

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Postby Scott » 1 decade 5 years ago (Wed Mar 31, 2004 7:25 am)

Henry Morgenthau, Sr. was Wilson's Germanophobic ambassador to Turkey, and his hands are all over Armenian Genocide propaganda, some estimates of which go as high as six-million.

Modern Israel downplays the Armenian Genocide, which is diversionary to their own Holocaust, and Israel wishes to maintain good relations with Turkey, a moderately Muslim nation.

Some other observations in Hitler's Obersalzberg address (basically a peptalk) to the Feldherrn are the anachronistic reference to "Death Heads Units," especially to this audience of military generals, and the claim in the IMT document that Göring actually danced on a table. The traitor Admiral Canaris seems to have been a source for some of this.

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Postby TruthSeeker » 1 decade 5 years ago (Wed Mar 31, 2004 2:24 pm)

TruthSeeker, challenge anyone you're debating to come and debate us here on the 'holocaust' as alleged. It's amazing how nervous they become when they realize they can't call people names, dodge, and change the subject. Time & time again we send them packing with their propaganda in tow.

Oh, I have. He refuses to come and argue with us "denialists" because we are not worth his time. Typical exterminationist excuse. :D

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Postby Mig-15 » 1 decade 3 years ago (Sun Feb 19, 2006 9:14 pm)

Hannover wrote:An alleged statement by Hitler supposedly referring to the alleged Armenian genocide is used by the 'holocau$t' Industry as means of getting back door support for their claims; it also baits Armenians to support the judeo-supremacist/Zionist cause. Have a look here as that canard bites the dust.

- Hannover


Hello,

I have read your commentary in this thread and in the other link. Just so there is no confusion. I am Armenian. I came across this forum by chance while doing a google search. I'm glad I came across this forum. I agree with your thesis, and unfortunately in many ways it has done a decent job of brainwashing Armenian-Americans. Also, I was not born in US, my family is from the former Soviet Union. From what I notice, it is mostly in the "western" countries where holocaustianity is a state religion that Armenians are as dumb as they are and are so quick to fall for this crap. I find myself battling with Armenian-Americans-- that whatever claims the Armenian people have, to stay the hell away from "Holocaust-NAZI-Jew" themes. I often get called a "racist" in turn. Some of these people are just so programmed, it is such a frustrating impossibility to get anything across.

I'm glad you came accross this document because I can now use this information.

I don't want to take this too far off-topic but since the Armenian genocide was mentioned, I can offer my opinion.

The land traditionally called "The Armenian Highland" is completely devoid of its native, ancient, Chrisitan population. To me personally, this is the most relevant point. An undisputable fact is that the Armenian population underwent some kind of ethnic cleansing. Greeks and Armenians both allege that the males between the ages of 18-45 were called into the Ottoman Armies. Greeks and Armenians both allege that these males were either killed immediately or, disarmed and placed in conditions to bring about their death. Most of the photographs of the deportations lack fighting aged males. Turks allege that this is because these Armenian men went to the Russian side before the outbreak of hostilities and the Imperial Russian army. While it is true that there were plenty who did, these were mostly young men (teenagers and those in their early 20s). It is entirely absurd, at least to me, to consider that a very large portion of the Armenian 18-45 year olds simply addandoned their wiwes, sisters, children, and parents to the mercy of the Turks. I will admit, the fact that both Armenians and Greeks looked down on Turks and considered them "backward, primative, and barbaric". This is largely true to this day. Anyway, turks also allege that high death-toll of Armenians was due to "mismanaged mistakes". Such as "oops, we forgot water". What usually happens to people when they are stuck in the desert without nuritioment?

Anyway, the Armenian genocide, I want fully, completely, and thoroughly investigated. And I strongly oppose using any sympathy gaining Jew-themes.

BTW, Truthseeker, its not just Armenians doing this stupid thing in the West. You have Toronto in your location. Are you familiar with the local Ukranian community? They do the same thing with regards to the famine.

Hannover, just curious. Have heard of the "Donmes"?

A little background. These are a type of Marranos -- except subsitute Christianity with Islam. Essentially the "Young-Turk" assembly is formed of the massonic loge of Salonica. Pretty much all the higher-ups of the young turks are said to be Donmes. (It was the devout Muslims who called these crypto-Jews as Donmes, meaning "Renegades"). They came to power in much similar means that the Bolsheviks did in Russia. They were in charge of the massacres and deportations. Zionist/Masonic interests were much a part of it. An aquantance of mine has exposed to this information, and has a large collection of information with regards to this.

Do you think this community would be interested regarding these details? I think it may be useful to clearly show an instance of genocide where zionist-interests, jews, were criminally responsible.

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Postby Moderator3 » 1 decade 3 years ago (Mon Feb 20, 2006 1:11 am)

Thanks Mig-15 for your views and welcome to The CODOH Revisionist Forum.

I must tell you that we will not allow this thread to go much further without explicit 'holocaust' points being made. To your credit, you did indeed make some points in that regard. But Masons, Maranos? Forget about it. Please read our guidelines. We look forward to hearing your views on our stated subject.
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Postby Mig-15 » 1 decade 3 years ago (Mon Feb 20, 2006 12:54 pm)

Thanks for the welcome Moderator.

And thanks for the heads up.

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Re: News! The 'Who Remembers Armenians' Lie Debunked / forge

Postby Hannover » 4 years 11 months ago (Wed Dec 10, 2014 1:33 pm)

We still see this lie quoted:
Go, kill without mercy. After all, who remembers the Armenians?

here:
http://www.quoteworld.org/quotes/6595
and here:
http://www.atour.com/~aahgn/news/20040107c.html

A common 'holocaust' marketing tactic used. We see from: http://www.freemansperspective.com these images below which are supposedly proof of the Armenian genocide. Neither of which proves anything, familiar nonsense, eh? It's obvious that 'Freemans Perspective' is not written by a free man.
Site owner Paul Rosenberg can be contacted at: [email protected]

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The 'holocaust' storyline is one of the most easily debunked narratives ever contrived. That is why those who question it are arrested and persecuted. That is why violent, racist, & privileged Jewish supremacists demand censorship. What sort of Truth is it that crushes the freedom to seek the truth? Truth needs no protection from scrutiny.

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Re: News! The 'Who Remembers Armenians' Lie Debunked / forge

Postby hermod » 4 years 11 months ago (Wed Dec 10, 2014 8:16 pm)

Everything written to date has attributed the purported Hitler quote [about the Armenians], not to primary sources, but to an article that appeared in the Times of London on Saturday, November 24, 1945. Said article, entitled "Nazi Germany's Road To War," (2) cites the quote and bases its attribution to Hitler on an address by him to his commanders-in-chief six year earlier, on August 22, 1939, a few days prior to his invasion of Poland. According to the unnamed author of the Times article, the speech had been introduced as evidence during the November 23, 1945, session of the Nuremberg Tribunal. Hitler is quoted as having stated. "Thus for the time being I have sent to the East only my Death's Head units, with the order to kill without pity or mercy all men, women, and children of the Polish race or language. Who still talks nowadays of the extermination of the Armenians?"(3) However , this version of the address was never accepted as evidence in this or any other session of the Nuremberg Tribunal.

Furthermore, the Times article of November 24, 1945, was not the earliest mention of Hitler's alleged statement on the Armenians. Rather, this quotation, and indeed an entire text of a Hitler speech purportedly made at Obersalzberg on August 22, 1939, was first published in 1942 in a book entitled What About Germany? and authored by Louis Lochner, a former bureau chief of the Associated Press in Berlin." (4)

On the opening page of his work, Lochner cites an unnamed Speech to the Supreme Commanders, and Commanding Generals, Obersalzberg, August 22, 1939." He further states that he obtained a copy of this speech (a three-page typed German manuscript) one week prior to Hitler's 1939 invasion of Poland. (5)

This "document", the provenance of which has never been disclosed, investigated, and much less established, is the real "source," and indeed the sole source, of Hitler's purported remark vis-ı-vis the Armenians. In its historical debut, as published by Lochner, the "quote" reads as follows:

I have issued the command-I'll have anybody who utters one word of criticism executed by a firing squad-that our war aim does not consist in reaching certain lines, but in the physical destruction of the enemy. Accordingly, I have placed my death-head formations in readiness-for the present only in the East-with compassion, men, women, and children of Polish derivation and language. Only thus shall we gain the living space (lebensraum) which we need. Who, after all, speaks today of the annihilation of the Armenians." (6)

Of particular interest is the fact that while this "question" has appeared in literally hundreds of publications in the past forty years, not a single one has ever cited Lochner's book as its source. Likewise, no work has ever suggested that this statement made its first appearance, not in the course of the 1945 Nuremberg trials, but rather in the 1942 wartime publication of an American newspaperman.

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In short, a comparison of the Lochner and Nuremberg versions of the August 22, 1939, Obersalzberg speech, strongly suggest that the one leaked to Lochner by the confidant of Beck was a strongly doctored version designed for propaganda purposes. This interpretation is supported by the fact the General Halder's detailed diary entries for August 22, 1939, contain none of the above passages. Halder was, by that date, firmly in the ranks of the anti-Hitler German officers, and presumably he would have had no interest in censoring his own diary had Hitler in fact made such statements. (27)

http://www.ataa.org/reference/hitler-lowry.html


1014-PS is a falsified 'Hitler Speech' written on plain paper by an unknown person. The document bears the heading 'Second Speech' although it is known that Hitler gave only one speech on that date. There are four versions of this speech, 3 of them forgeries: 1014-PS, 798-PS, L-3 , and an authentic version, Ra-27 (XVII-406-408; XVIII 390-402; XXII 65). The third forgery, Document L-3, bears an FBI laboratory stamp and was never even accepted into evidence (II 286), but 250 copies of it were given to the press as authentic (II 286).

This document is quoted by A.J.P. Taylor on page 254 of The Origins of the Second World War (Fawcett Paperbacks, 2nd Edition, with Answer to his Critics) giving his source as German Foreign Policy, Series D vii, No 192 and 193.

L-3 is the source of many statements attributed to Hitler, particularly "who today remembers the fate of the Armenians?" and "our enemies are little worms, I saw them at Munich". 'Hitler' also compares himself to Genghis Khan and says he will exterminate the Poles, and kick Chamberlain in the groin in front of the photographers. The document appears to have been prepared on the same typewriter as many other Nuremberg documents, including the two other versions of the same speech. This typewriter was probably a Martin from the Triumph-Adler-Werke, Nuremberg.

http://www.cwporter.com/gl3.htm
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